From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Fri Sep 10 19:38:27 1999 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:50:12 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University of Illinois at Chicago (1.8c)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG9909A" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:19:19 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Frances Subject: Re: Ozark trilogy Suzette Haden Elgin tells us that the Ozark Trilogy will be reprinted in the Spring of 2000 by the University of Arkansas Press. Frances ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:51:48 +1000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sharon Conners-Holliday Subject: pat murphy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone read much Pat Murphy? I would love to discuss her work with anyone that has, although she seems to be out of print and hard to find secondhand here in Australia. for those that haven't heard of her, the novels i have read are: The Falling Woman The City, Not Long After Points of Departure ( collection of short stories) and she has written two other novels. I am writing on her short fiction for my honours thesis on feminist sf. She is a beautiful writer, quite playful. The City, Not long After,(about San Francisco after most of the earths population has been wiped out by a virus) is quite magical. She is also one of the "founding mothers" of the Tiptree Award. Love to here from anyone on-list or personally. Just like to say how much i enjoy the discussion on the list as it has given me so much pleasure reading the books people recommend and being apart of such interesting discussion (although i am shy and don't say much) Shaz ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:44:07 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: pat murphy: Conners-Holliday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does POINTS OF DEPARTURE include "Eyes of the Wolf"? In Murphy's citation in ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FANTASY, there's a line to the effect that the first fiction she acknowledges was published a year or so after that story appeared in the declining GALAXY of 1978 (May issue?). If you have access to a backfile of that magazine, and the story is not otherwise available...well, that was my (not-too-shabby) introduction to her work, perhaps her first published short story. -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Conners-Holliday [mailto:shazza@LAVALINK.COM.AU] Subject: [*FSF-L*] pat murphy Has anyone read much Pat Murphy? Points of Departure ( collection of short stories) and she has written two other novels. I am writing on her short fiction for my honours thesis on feminist sf. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:16:33 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Steve Swartz Subject: Re: pat murphy In-Reply-To: <007a01bef489$85138b20$dc0124cb@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Pat has a web site at http://www.exo.net/jaxxx that you might want to check out. _The Falling Woman_, _Pigasas_ (a children's picture book), _Nadya, the Wolf Chronicles_, and _There and Back Again+ (her new novel) can be ordered through http://www.amazon.com. _The City, Not Long After_ and _Points of Departure_ are both out of print, but pretty easy to come by at online used book stores. Her first novel (which she doesn't even mention on her web site) is _The Shadow Man_. It *is* hard to find, and not really worth looking for (if I do say so myself). ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:12:19 +0200 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Diane Severson Subject: What's going on with the List? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a little confused since I have been getting a lot of stuff for the regular Feminist Science Fiction list (which I never signed up for, actually) and nothing from the Literature list. Since it's September 1 I thought discussion might be getting underway for the next books (which I haven't recieved yet - being shipped from the States overseas). Help! Diane -- Diane Severson Moerfelder Landstr. 108 60598 Frankfurt am Main (49)(0)69/624595 (+Fax) (49)(0)69/613371 Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:31:51 -0400 Reply-To: releon@syr.edu Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Rudy Leon Organization: Syracuse University Subject: Pern comes to prime time In-Reply-To: <8012.936209539@www9.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This makes so very suspicious! Same as Jim Henson making Moon and the Sun (what's up with that? just the mermaid as muppet, or the whole thing?). I've never read Pern, but it seems pretty easy, from what I've heard of it, to make a mockery out of it. Has anyone heard more on this? *** McCaffrey 'Dragon' books head to TV LOS ANGELES (The Hollywood Reporter) - The best-selling "Dragon" books of fantasy/sci-fi author Anne McCaffrey will move ahead as a TV series for a 2001 release in the world market, Alliance Atlantis Entertainment president Peter Sussman confirmed Monday. The series "Dragon Riders of Pern" has been quietly in development for more than a year since the rights were first obtained to the book series, which has an enormous worldwide following. But this is the first time that Alliance Atlantis has confirmed that it will move ahead with the special effects- heavy series. Sussman said the company will probably set a production start for 2000 and a launch in 2001. International buyers will probably get their first look at the initial CGI special effects for the series at the upcoming MIPCOM-TV market in Cannes, which opens Oct. 4. Rudy Leon PhD Student Department of Religion Syracuse University releon@syr.edu (315) 425-8171 fax: (707) 982-1780 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:07:49 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Allen Briggs Subject: Re: pat murphy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Has anyone read much Pat Murphy? I love her stuff! I have also greatly enjoyed briefly meeting her at ICFA (International Conference for the Fantastic in the Arts) on a couple of occasions. There was an interesting (and sometimes funny :-) panel several years ago with her, SMCharnas, and several other female SF authors... I'm interested that you classify her as a playful author. She comes across as playful in person, but I find her writing to be a mix of serious themes with playful scenes or moments. Thinking about it some, that may be why I like her stuff. It kind of fits my style, too. The more serious the topic, the more likely I am to want to interject some humor into it (although sometimes it's rather dry humor). Perhaps I should call it reverent irreverence or something like that. I need to re-read _The City Not Long After_. That's one book that I recall coming out rather confused from reading. I think my favorite of her novels (so far) was _The Falling Woman_, perhaps because I felt that it had just the right balance of mysticism, fantasy, and realism to really gel for me. Pax from the other side of the planet, -allen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:59:52 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Frances Subject: Re: Ozark Trilogy My apologies if this message has already reached the list: my email is having one of its "send one, receive one, lose one" fits. Suzette Haden Elgin's Ozark Trilogy will be reprinted in Spring 2000 by the University of Arkansas Press. Frances ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:07:38 EST Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Bree Presswell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Howdy! My name is bree and im new to the list..im studying womans writing as my major in university...im looking for information on Virginia Woolf and Angela Carter (a room of ones own, and the bloody chamber in particular)... id love to recieve any information on these authors.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:32:12 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Dave Samuelson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------159C1C5C198338ACB8E3E49B" --------------159C1C5C198338ACB8E3E49B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know of any criticism concerning the role of fantasy in Woolf, which goes beyond Orlando and Flush to include a continuing preoccupation with immaterial (?) interpersonal communication if not communion, perhaps more empathy than telepathy. I'd be interested to see what you turn up. Bree Presswell wrote: > Howdy! > > My name is bree and im new to the list..im studying womans writing as my > major in university...im looking for information on Virginia Woolf and > Angela Carter (a room of ones own, and the bloody chamber in particular)... > id love to recieve any information on these authors.... > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------159C1C5C198338ACB8E3E49B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know of any criticism concerning the role of fantasy in Woolf, which goes beyond Orlando and Flush to include a continuing preoccupation with immaterial (?) interpersonal communication if not communion, perhaps more empathy than telepathy.  I'd be interested to see what you turn up.

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Angela Carter (a room of ones own, and the bloody chamber in particular)...
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--------------159C1C5C198338ACB8E3E49B-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:42:47 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jennifer Krauel Subject: BDG: Slave & Free discussion begins Monday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Next Monday we begin discussion of our September BDG selection, The Slave and the Free. Before then I thought it might be helpful to review a few points about the discussion. Most of this is covered on our fabulous BDG web site: Janice has just updated the the discussion archives to include our most recent discussion of *To Say Nothing of the Dog*. The book discussion group's objective is to focus discussion on a particular book at a particular time to get as many people participating and enjoying the group as possible. It's not meant to change the nature of the list, just focus the discussion. New book discussions begin monthly on the first Monday of the month, directly on the FeminstSF-lit list. Other works can of course be discussed at the same time on the list. Also, it's fine to discuss a book before the scheduled date, just remember to include spoilers in your early postings. If you want to initiate discussion about a book the group has already discussed that's OK as well, but it's polite to look through the archives first. Book group discussion messages should include the string "BDG" (for Book Discussion Group) in the subject. It would also be helpful to include the title or initials of the title in the subject, so that particularly enthusiastic discussions can spill over into the next month. Spoiler disclaimers are not necessary once discussion has begun. Members are encouraged to follow the general list rules such as quoting only the necessary parts of original messages in responses to reduce excess bandwidth. Discussion can be literary and theoretical or more concrete discussions about plot or character development. There's enough of a mix of people on the list that we can each participate in the aspects that interest us and ignore those aspects that don't. Remember, the group's purpose is to encourage rather than discourage discussion. Please assume that authors of the books are on the list, whether they announce their presence or not. This does NOT mean you should edit your comments to only say nice things. It DOES mean you should avoid personal attacks and be as specific in your comments as possible. There's some more information about this on the BDG web site. Members (that's you!) are encouraged to suggest a bibliography of essays or other works pertaining to the book currently under discussion or the following month's book. Upcoming discussions: Ring of Swords - October The Mistress of Spices - November Flying Cups & Saucers - December Jennifer jennifer@krauel.com (note my new e-mail address) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:48:22 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: FW: World Fantasy Nominees Announced MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mary W. Satlin [mailto:MWSatlin@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT Subject: Re: FROM SCIFIWIWorld Fantasy Nominees Announced << 6:42pm 2-Sept-99 World Fantasy Nominees Announced The nominees for the 1999 World Fantasy Awards have been announced. This year's awards will be presented at the 1999 World Fantasy Convention, which will be held from Nov. 4-7 in Providence, R.I. This 1999 nominees and categories are: Novel Someplace to Be Flying by Charles de Lint (Tor) The Antelope Wife by Louise Erdrich (HarperFlamingo) Sailing to Sarantium by Guy Gavriel Kay (Simon & Schuster/Earthlight, UK; Viking, Canada; HarperPrism, US) Mockingbird by Sean Stewart (Ace) The Martyring by Thomas Sullivan (Forge) Novella "Cold" by A.S. Byatt (Elementals: Stories of Fire and Ice, Chatto & Windus UK, Random House US) "Dragonfly" by Ursula K. Le Guin (Legends, edited by Robert Silverberg; Tor US; Voyager UK) "The Hedge Knight" by George R.R. Martin (Legends, edited by Robert Silverberg; Tor US; Voyager UK) "The Summer Isles" by Ian R. MacLeod (Asimov's Oct/Nov 1998) "Mr. Clubb and Mr. Cuff" by Peter Straub (Murder for Revenge, edited by Otto Penzler; Delacorte) Short Story "Shoggoth's Old Peculiar" by Neil Gaiman (The Mammoth Book of Comic Fantasy, edited by Mike Ashley; Smoke and Mirrors: Short Fictions and Illusions, by Neil Gaiman) "Every Angel Is Terrifying" by John Kessel (F&SF Oct/Nov 1998) "The Death of the Duke" by Ellen Kushner (Starlight 2, edited by Patrick Nielsen Hayden; Tor) "The Specialist's Hat" by Kelly Link (Event Horizon, Nov 15, 1998) "Travels with the Snow Queen" by Kelly Link (Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet Vol. 1 No. 1, 1997/1998; The Year's Best Fantasy and Horror: Twelfth Annual Collection, edited by Ellen Datlow and Terri Windling) Collection The Night We Buried Road Dog, Jack Cady (DreamHaven Books) Black Glass, Karen Joy Fowler (Henry Holt) Last Summer at Mars Hill, Elizabeth Hand (HarperPrism) Manitou Man: The Worlds of Graham Masterton, Graham Masterton (British Fantasy Society) The Cleft and Other Odd Tales, Gahan Wilson (Tor) Anthology The Best of Crank!, edited by Bryan Cholfin (Tor) Dark Terrors 4, edited by Stephen Jones & David Sutton (Gollancz) Dreaming Down-Under, edited by Jack Dann & Janeen Webb (HarperCollins/Voyager Australia) Legends, edited by Robert Silverberg (Tor) Starlight 2, edited by Patrick Nielsen Hayden (Tor) Artist Jim Burns Tom Canty Alan Clark Bob Eggleton Charles Vess Special Award, Professional Les Daniels (for Superman: The Complete History) Jo Fletcher (for editing) David Pringle (for Interzone) Robert Silverberg & Grania Davis (for editing The Avram Davidson Treasury) Jim Turner (for Golden Gryphon Press) Special Award, Non-Professional Richard Chizmar (for Cemetery Dance Publications) David Marshall (for Pumpkin Books) Stephen Pasechnick (for Edgewood Press) Jacob Weisman (for Tachyon Publications) Three nominees in each category were chosen by a panel of five judges, while the remaining two nominees were selected by members of the 1998 and 1999 World Fantasy Conventions. This year's nominees for the Lifetime Achievement Award will be announced at a later date. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:12:23 GMT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Robin Reid Subject: world fantasy nominees--check out who we've read! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The nominees for the 1999 World Fantasy Awards have been announced. This year's awards will be presented at the 1999 World Fantasy Convention, which will be held from Nov. 4-7 in Providence, R.I. This 1999 nominees and categories are: Novel Someplace to Be Flying by Charles de Lint (Tor) **The Antelope Wife by Louise Erdrich (HarperFlamingo)** Sailing to Sarantium by Guy Gavriel Kay (Simon & Schuster/Earthlight, UK; Viking, Canada; HarperPrism, US) Mockingbird by Sean Stewart (Ace) The Martyring by Thomas Sullivan (Forge) Novella "Cold" by A.S. Byatt (Elementals: Stories of Fire and Ice, Chatto & Windus UK, Random House US) ** "Dragonfly" by Ursula K. Le Guin (Legends, edited by Robert Silverberg; Tor US; Voyager UK)** "The Hedge Knight" by George R.R. Martin (Legends, edited by Robert Silverberg; Tor US; Voyager UK) "The Summer Isles" by Ian R. MacLeod (Asimov's Oct/Nov 1998) "Mr. Clubb and Mr. Cuff" by Peter Straub (Murder for Revenge, edited by Otto Penzler; Delacorte) Short Story "Shoggoth's Old Peculiar" by Neil Gaiman (The Mammoth Book of Comic Fantasy, edited by Mike Ashley; Smoke and Mirrors: Short Fictions and Illusions, by Neil Gaiman) "Every Angel Is Terrifying" by John Kessel (F&SF Oct/Nov 1998) ** "The Death of the Duke" by Ellen Kushner (Starlight 2, edited by Patrick Nielsen Hayden; Tor)** "The Specialist's Hat" by Kelly Link (Event Horizon, Nov 15, 1998) "Travels with the Snow Queen" by Kelly Link (Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet Vol. 1 No. 1, 1997/1998; The Year's Best Fantasy and Horror: Twelfth Annual Collection, edited by Ellen Datlow and Terri Windling) Collection The Night We Buried Road Dog, Jack Cady (DreamHaven Books) Black Glass, Karen Joy Fowler (Henry Holt) ** Last Summer at Mars Hill, Elizabeth Hand (HarperPrism)** Manitou Man: The Worlds of Graham Masterton, Graham Masterton (British Fantasy Society) The Cleft and Other Odd Tales, Gahan Wilson (Tor) Anthology The Best of Crank!, edited by Bryan Cholfin (Tor) Dark Terrors 4, edited by Stephen Jones & David Sutton (Gollancz) Dreaming Down-Under, edited by Jack Dann & Janeen Webb (HarperCollins/Voyager Australia) Legends, edited by Robert Silverberg (Tor) Starlight 2, edited by Patrick Nielsen Hayden (Tor) Artist Jim Burns Tom Canty Alan Clark Bob Eggleton Charles Vess Special Award, Professional Les Daniels (for Superman: The Complete History) Jo Fletcher (for editing) David Pringle (for Interzone) Robert Silverberg & Grania Davis (for editing The Avram Davidson Treasury) Jim Turner (for Golden Gryphon Press) Special Award, Non-Professional Richard Chizmar (for Cemetery Dance Publications) David Marshall (for Pumpkin Books) Stephen Pasechnick (for Edgewood Press) Jacob Weisman (for Tachyon Publications) Three nominees in each category were chosen by a panel of five judges, while the remaining two nominees were selected by members of the 1998 and 1999 World Fantasy Conventions. This year's nominees for the Lifetime Achievement Award will be announced at a later date. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:18:53 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Aurora Awards (Canadian SF awards) courtesy DARKECHO (darkecho@ao l.com) Comments: To: "SCIENCEFICTION-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU" , "Horror@listserv.indiana.edu" Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Best Long-Form Work in English (1997-98): Someplace To Be Flying, Charles de Lint (Tor, Feb/98) Flesh and Gold, Phyllis Gotlieb (Tor, Feb/98) Sailing To Sarantium, Guy Gavriel Kay (Viking, Sept/98) Dracul: An Eternal Love Story, Nancy Kilpatrick (Lucard Publishing, Oct/98) Factoring Humanity, Robert J. Sawyer (Tor, June/98) Darwinia, Robert Charles Wilson (Tor, Jun/98) Best Long-Form Work in French (1997-98): Un fanttme d'amour, Reni Beaulieu (Ashem, 97) Les Voyageurs de la nuit, Reni Beaulieu (Iditions de l'A Venir, 97) Corps-machines et rjves d'anges, Alain Bergeron (Vents d'Ouest, 97) Coeur de fer, Jokl Champetier (Orion, 97) Samiva de Frie, Francine Pelletier (Alire, 98) Secrets, Esther Rochon (Alire, 98) Best Short-Form Work in English (1998) "Blind Date", David Chato (On Spec Fall/98) "Craphound", Cory Doctorow (SF Age Mar/98) "Sunny Fields", David Shotgyn, (Parsec Spring/98) "New Year's Eve", Douglas Smith (Interzone Feb/98) "Hockey's Night in Canada", Edo van Belkom (Arrowdreams) Best Short-Form Work in French (1998) +Uriel et Kornilla;, Alain Bergeron (Solaris 127) +Nocturne;, Fridirick Durand (Solaris 126) +Les Corbeaux immortels rjvent-ils de contrtler le monde?;, Hugues Morin (Solaris 124) +La Demoiselle sous la lune;, Guy Sirois (Fantasy, Fleuve Noir) +Aurilie sous les itoiles;, Elisabeth Vonarburg (Un lac, un fjord: paysages imaginaires, paysages riels: rencontres, JCL) Best Work in English (Other) (1998) Arrowdreams: An Anthology of Alternative Canadas, Mark Shainblum & John Dupuis, eds. (Nuage Editions) (anthology) "Ask Mr. Science", Al Betz (On Spec) (column) Divine Realms, Susan MacGregor, ed. (Ravenstone) (anthology) Northern Dreamers, Edo van Belkom (Quarry Press) non-fiction book) On Spec, Jena Snyder, general ed. (The Copper Pig Writers' Society) (magazine) Parsec, Chris Krejlgaard, ed. (Parsec Publishing Co) (magazine) TransVersions, Sally McBride & Dale L. Sproule, eds. (Island Specialty Reports) (magazine) Other awards include those for Artistic Achievement and several fan awards. The Web site for the Aurora Awards (and the Canadian Science Fiction and Fantasy Association) is http://www.sentex.net/~dmullin/aurora Ms. Paula Guran (aka DarkEcho) went on to explain: The awards will be presented at Canvention 19, held in conjunction with inCONsequential II, 15-17 Oct in Fredericton, New Brunswick. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:24:31 EDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sophia Hegner Subject: Re: Aurora Awards (Canadian SF awards) courtesy DARKECHO ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/4/1999 10:18:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Todd.Mason@TVGUIDE.COM writes: << Someplace To Be Flying, Charles de Lint (Tor, Feb/98) >> Has anyone read this? It was on both lists. I'm completely unfamiliar with any or Charles de Lint's work. Is it worth reading? Sophia ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:28:06 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: Charles de Lint: Hegner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Haven't read that, but de Lint can be quite good. -----Original Message----- From: Sophia Hegner [mailto:SophiaDHM@AOL.COM] << Someplace To Be Flying, Charles de Lint (Tor, Feb/98) >> Has anyone read this? It was on both lists. I'm completely unfamiliar with any or Charles de Lint's work. Is it worth reading? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:43:37 GMT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Robin Reid Subject: Re: Aurora Awards (Canadian SF awards) courtesy DARKECHO ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sophia asked: > ><< Someplace To Be Flying, Charles de Lint (Tor, Feb/98) >> > >Has anyone read this? It was on both lists. I'm completely unfamiliar with >any or Charles de Lint's work. Is it worth reading? I have read just about everything he's published (just did an 8000 word entry covering his work for a Candian Writer's Biblio/bio), and can say that he is indeed worth reading. First off, he has always paid a great deal of attention to creating strong, interesting, and believable female characters. His later work is becoming distanced from some of the more traditional fantasy conventions of his earliest work (he's been going that way for years), which means more focus on character development, relationships, but also a wonderful use of "fanastic imagery" and events to show truths about people and the world. He's very interested in music (his novels are almost a course in folk and alternative music--he's played for years), art (lots of his charcters are artists, musicians, or writers), and also both Celtic and Native American mythology (he blends them in some of his latest work, but also adapts them). I LOVE his stuff, and this one is a good one to start with. It's incredible! But I love almost all of his work (except a couple of the earlier ones leave me a bit less interested--WOLF MOON for example). Robin ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:12:37 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: Charles de Lint: Reid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" de Lint is also the short-reviews-of-books monthly columnist for FANTASY AND SCIENCE FICTION, including in the newly-released extraordinary 50th anniversary issue (he does a much better job of this than Orson Scott Card did) (also featuring, to reiterate, new or newly published material by Kate Wilhelm, Judith Merril, Ursula K Le Guin, Carol Emshwiller, Theodore Sturgeon et alles (see the www.fsfmag.com site, which also features CdL's reviews)...and de Lint's WOLF MOON shouldn't be confused with Edward Gorman's, or the dozen or so others... -----Original Message----- From: Robin Reid [ mailto:Robin_Reid@TAMU-COMMERCE.EDU ] Sophia asked: > ><< Someplace To Be Flying, Charles de Lint (Tor, Feb/98) >> > >Has anyone read this? It was on both lists. I'm completely unfamiliar with >any or Charles de Lint's work. Is it worth reading? I have read just about everything he's published (just did an 8000 word entry covering his work for a Candian Writer's Biblio/bio), and can say that he is indeed worth reading...I LOVE his stuff, and this one is a good one to start with. It's incredible! But I love almost all of his work (except a couple of the earlier ones leave me a bit less interested--WOLF MOON for example). Robin ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:01:28 EDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sophia Hegner Subject: Re: Aurora Awards (Canadian SF awards) courtesy DARKECH... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info. I plan to buy one of his books this weekend and get started! Sophia ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:57:00 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Laura Quilter Subject: Aurora Awards (Canadian SF awards) courtesy DARKECHO (darkecho@ao l.com) (fwd) Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu, feministsf@uic.edu, -Fem-SF list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:18:53 -0500 From: Todd Mason To: Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT Subject: Aurora Awards (Canadian SF awards) courtesy DARKECHO (darkecho@ao l.com) Best Long-Form Work in English (1997-98): Someplace To Be Flying, Charles de Lint (Tor, Feb/98) Flesh and Gold, Phyllis Gotlieb (Tor, Feb/98) Sailing To Sarantium, Guy Gavriel Kay (Viking, Sept/98) Dracul: An Eternal Love Story, Nancy Kilpatrick (Lucard Publishing, Oct/98) Factoring Humanity, Robert J. Sawyer (Tor, June/98) Darwinia, Robert Charles Wilson (Tor, Jun/98) Best Long-Form Work in French (1997-98): Un fanttme d'amour, Reni Beaulieu (Ashem, 97) Les Voyageurs de la nuit, Reni Beaulieu (Iditions de l'A Venir, 97) Corps-machines et rjves d'anges, Alain Bergeron (Vents d'Ouest, 97) Coeur de fer, Jokl Champetier (Orion, 97) Samiva de Frie, Francine Pelletier (Alire, 98) Secrets, Esther Rochon (Alire, 98) Best Short-Form Work in English (1998) "Blind Date", David Chato (On Spec Fall/98) "Craphound", Cory Doctorow (SF Age Mar/98) "Sunny Fields", David Shotgyn, (Parsec Spring/98) "New Year's Eve", Douglas Smith (Interzone Feb/98) "Hockey's Night in Canada", Edo van Belkom (Arrowdreams) Best Short-Form Work in French (1998) +Uriel et Kornilla;, Alain Bergeron (Solaris 127) +Nocturne;, Fridirick Durand (Solaris 126) +Les Corbeaux immortels rjvent-ils de contrtler le monde?;, Hugues Morin (Solaris 124) +La Demoiselle sous la lune;, Guy Sirois (Fantasy, Fleuve Noir) +Aurilie sous les itoiles;, Elisabeth Vonarburg (Un lac, un fjord: paysages imaginaires, paysages riels: rencontres, JCL) Best Work in English (Other) (1998) Arrowdreams: An Anthology of Alternative Canadas, Mark Shainblum & John Dupuis, eds. (Nuage Editions) (anthology) "Ask Mr. Science", Al Betz (On Spec) (column) Divine Realms, Susan MacGregor, ed. (Ravenstone) (anthology) Northern Dreamers, Edo van Belkom (Quarry Press) non-fiction book) On Spec, Jena Snyder, general ed. (The Copper Pig Writers' Society) (magazine) Parsec, Chris Krejlgaard, ed. (Parsec Publishing Co) (magazine) TransVersions, Sally McBride & Dale L. Sproule, eds. (Island Specialty Reports) (magazine) Other awards include those for Artistic Achievement and several fan awards. The Web site for the Aurora Awards (and the Canadian Science Fiction and Fantasy Association) is http://www.sentex.net/~dmullin/aurora Ms. Paula Guran (aka DarkEcho) went on to explain: The awards will be presented at Canvention 19, held in conjunction with inCONsequential II, 15-17 Oct in Fredericton, New Brunswick. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:57:31 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Laura Quilter Subject: Hugo Winners! (fwd) Comments: To: -Fem-SF list , feministsf@uic.edu, feministsf-lit@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:24:10 -0400 From: Paul J. Weimer To: Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT Subject: Hugo Winners! The Hugo award winners were announced today at Aussiecon III... Novel: To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis (Bantam Spectra) Novella: "Oceanic" by Greg Egan Novelette: "Taklamakan" by Bruce Sterling Short Story: "The Very Pulse of the Machine" by Michael Swanwick Non-Fiction Book: The Dreams Our Stuff is Made Of: How Science Fiction Conquered the World (Simon and Schuster) by Thomas M. Disch Dramatic Presentation: The Truman Show (Paramount) Professional Editor: Gardner Dozois Professional Artist: Bob Eggleton Semi-Prozine: Locus (Charles N. Brown, ed.) Fanzine: Ansible (Dave Langford, ed.) Fan Writer: Dave Langford Fan Artist: Ian Gunn Campbell Award: Nalo Hopkinson As a side note, the annual Dozois collection this year just so happens to have all three of the short form Hugo Winners, which is very cool to those who like to go back and read the winning stories again or for the first time. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:06:43 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Laura Quilter Subject: feminist / queer reading group in san francisco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey - we're starting a queer / feminist reading group in san francisco bay area. any locals who're interested, let me know - first meeting will be wed october 6 and we'll be reading JEWELLE GOMEZ' THE GILDA STORIES ... more info also at www.exo.net/~lauraq/sfqsf/ Laura Quilter / lquilter@igc.apc.org "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution." -- Emma Goldman *** NEW TRIAL FOR MUMIA ABU-JAMAL *** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:09:12 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Laura Quilter Subject: redundancy - sorry! Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII sorry 'bout that Laura Quilter / lquilter@igc.apc.org "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution." -- Emma Goldman *** NEW TRIAL FOR MUMIA ABU-JAMAL *** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:36:52 +1200 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Ianthe Subject: Re: Charles de Lint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sophia asked: >> >><< Someplace To Be Flying, Charles de Lint (Tor, Feb/98) >> >> >>Has anyone read this? It was on both lists. I'm completely unfamiliar with >>any or Charles de Lint's work. Is it worth reading? I's a GRAND book, it's based around a Native American creation myth, but set in urban Canada. It's really a very very good book, I enjoyed it immensely. - Jenn ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:28:40 -0700 Reply-To: cricket@shasta.com Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Elaine Kite Subject: Re: feminist / queer reading group in san francisco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What qualifies as local? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:52:46 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Laura Quilter Subject: Re: feminist / queer reading group in san francisco In-Reply-To: <37D1F175.2E1455CF@shasta.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i guess, whatever you want to travel. the meetings are planned to be in san francisco. maybe if east bay people join up we'll have some there, i don't know. On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Elaine Kite wrote: > Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:28:40 -0700 > From: Elaine Kite > To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU > Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] feminist / queer reading group in san francisco > > What qualifies as local? > Laura Quilter / lquilter@igc.apc.org "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution." -- Emma Goldman *** NEW TRIAL FOR MUMIA ABU-JAMAL *** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:12:48 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Joyce Jones Subject: Screwtop Thanks to those of you who directed me to "Screwtop", the novella by Vonda McIntyre in which a guard tries to coerce a prisoner to "open" to him and bear him a child. I checked McIntyre's home page and found that it is in a book containing this novella along with two others "The Crystal Ship" by Joan D. Vinge (which is also the name of the compilation) and The City of Stone" by Marta Randall. What a joy to find a story that had so effected me, even though I didn't remember it's name or author or even the setting. I had remembered exactly the opposite, the prison colony was a jungle, not a desert, set on the planet Redsun. It tells of Kylis, a tough space rat sent to the toughest prison in the galaxy for being caught stealing passage on a space ship; Gryf a super intelligent tetraparental bred and trained to be the one of the most important people on the planet as part of a governmental team but sent to prison for refusing his duty; and Jason a philosopher whose work was the basis for Gryf's awakened conscience, and who was sent, unidentified, to prison for being a transient. The Lizard is the sadistic guard who admires Kylis's courage and endurance and thinks she will be the perfect vehicle to grow him a child worth his attention. When Kylis refuses his offer in spite of the benefits it could provide for her and her new friends, he threatens that he could drug her and make her open to him. She tells him he couldn't keep her drugged for the 7 sets (280 days) needed to get her pregnant, and he couldn't keep her drugged long enough or deep enough to force her to maintain a pregnancy even if he could force one on her. I think she makes it clear that if she is to bear him a child she has to agree to do so. The story is about independence, interdependence, the duty of the individual to herself and to society, the duration of love, and the limits of trust. It pretty much has everything a story should have and seems to be the germ of a great novel. Does anyone know if McIntyre did use this for the basis of a full novel? I'd love to read it. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:28:55 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Janice E. Dawley" Subject: BDG: The Slave and the Free Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After a long holiday weekend it is now time to discuss *The Slave and the Free*. What did you think? Of the treatment of feminist issues? Of the differences between the two books? What about the characters? I first read these two books several years ago and was profoundly affected by their mix of sophisticated world-building, wordcraft, characterization and moral seriousness. Now, reading them a second time for this discussion, I notice more of an ironic detachment that lends authenticity to each character's viewpoint -- none is clearly the author's mouthpiece. Are the Riding Women a utopian society? What do you think about the depictions of man/fem relations in the first book? Is Charnas being too harsh -- or not harsh enough? (Though it seems somehow shameful to admit it, Eykar Bek is one of my favorite fictional characters, particularly as he develops in the later books.) What do you think of the changes Alldera undergoes over the course of the two books? I am nearly falling out of my chair with weariness, so I'm hoping this sketchy introduction can spur discussion of these very interesting books! ----- Janice E. Dawley.....Burlington, VT http://homepages.together.net/~jdawley/ Listening to: The *Velvet Goldmine* Soundtrack "...the public and the private worlds are inseparably connected; the tyrannies and servilities of the one are the tyrannies and servilities of the other." Virginia Woolf, Three Guineas