From LISTSERV@listserv.uic.edu Thu Aug 24 18:42:43 2000 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:41:30 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University of Illinois at Chicago (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG9910C" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:07:52 -0400 Reply-To: asaro@sff.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Catherine Asaro Subject: =The Veiled Web= cover is up (X-post) Comments: To: FEMINISTSF@listserv.uic.edu, amazons@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, everyone! The cover for THE VEILED WEB is up now, along with a blurb, if anyone would like to take a look. This is a very different cover from anything I've had before. I like it a lot. I've also put up a board for comments about this one too. The =Ascendant Sun= cover has stirred up some interesting controversy. Even the Art Director came over to comment on it all. Come on over and join in the fun! -- Best regards Catherine Asaro http://www.sff.net/people/asaro/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:19:13 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Kirsten Hoyte Subject: utopian & dystopian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello. I mostly lurk, but it occurred to me that members of this list might have some ideas for a class that I am teaching for the first time this spring. Right now the most likely texts are excerpts from Plato's Republic, Looking Backwards by Edward Bellamay, Brave New World, Handmaid's Tale, The Dispossessed and Herland. But nothing is final. I am open to all suggestions. Specifically, 1) I am looking for utopian and dystopian literature by writers of color. I am thinking about one of Octavia Butler's Parable books, but that would skew the course so that all of the contemporary writing is by women and almost all of older writing is by men. This definitely shows my current reading bias, but I'd rather this schism were not true. 2) I am also looking for any utopian/dystopian short stories or very short novels. (especially from pre-1950) 3) Lastly, I am looking for any utopian/dystopian poems (from any time period) These texts do not necessarily have to be "science fiction." Scifi is actually harder to sell to my department :-( Stupid but true. I suppose that they could deal with real world regimes like apartheid-era South Africa. Either way, they should have "literary merit" (whatever that is) to pacify a relatively conservative English department at a very liberal high school. THANK-YOU! I'm not sure if it is better to reply off list or on list if you have any ideas. Kirsten Kirsten_Hoyte@concordacademy.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:39:29 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: utopian & dystopian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 1) I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the author of MUMBO JUMBO and several other Beat/SF crossovers. But is it a stretch to call his work dystopian or utopian? 2) ANIMAL FARM seems an obvious choice, and maybe on the college level one can even discuss why it's not just about how the Commies were bad, and even manages to get in a dig or so at Orwell's previous inspiration, Trotsky. -----Original Message----- From: Kirsten Hoyte [mailto:kaydee@CONCORDACADEMY.ORG] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 12:19 PM To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSF-L*] utopian & dystopian 1) I am looking for utopian and dystopian literature by writers of color. I am thinking about one of Octavia Butler's Parable books, but that would skew the course so that all of the contemporary writing is by women and almost all of older writing is by men. This definitely shows my current reading bias, but I'd rather this schism were not true. 2) I am also looking for any utopian/dystopian short stories or very short novels. (especially from pre-1950) 3) Lastly, I am looking for any utopian/dystopian poems (from any time period) These texts do not necessarily have to be "science fiction." Scifi is actually harder to sell to my department :-( Stupid but true. I suppose that they could deal with real world regimes like apartheid-era South Africa. Either way, they should have "literary merit" (whatever that is) to pacify a relatively conservative English department at a very liberal high school. THANK-YOU! I'm not sure if it is better to reply off list or on list if you have any ideas. Kirsten Kirsten_Hoyte@concordacademy.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:50:56 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: utopian & dystopian: eureka MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ishmael Reed -----Original Message----- From: Todd Mason [mailto:Todd.Mason@TVGUIDE.COM] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 12:39 PM To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] utopian & dystopian 1) I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the author of MUMBO JUMBO and several other Beat/SF crossovers. But is it a stretch to call his work dystopian or utopian? 2) ANIMAL FARM seems an obvious choice, and maybe on the college level one can even discuss why it's not just about how the Commies were bad, and even manages to get in a dig or so at Orwell's previous inspiration, Trotsky. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:24:02 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: SMCharnas Subject: Re: utopian & dystopian: eureka Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Ishmael Reed I seem to recall that he early on publicly established himself as a serious anti-feminist and gender essentialist by claiming that feminism was entirely a white woman's fanciful load of nonsense, and that black women should not, in his opinion, "fall" for it. Or am I confusing him with some one else? If not, this could make for some very interesting class discussion! Suzy Charnas ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:30:48 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: utopian & dystopian: eureka MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'll guess you're remembering correctly. It's been a Long time since I've attempted Reed, who I recall had a typically Beat male view of women. (Was the relatively gender-silent Gary Snyder the least misogynist?) -----Original Message----- From: SMCharnas [mailto:suzych@SOCRATES.NMIA.COM] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 3:24 PM To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] utopian & dystopian: eureka >Ishmael Reed I seem to recall that he early on publicly established himself as a serious anti-feminist and gender essentialist by claiming that feminism was entirely a white woman's fanciful load of nonsense, and that black women should not, in his opinion, "fall" for it. Or am I confusing him with some one else? If not, this could make for some very interesting class discussion! Suzy Charnas ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:55:09 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: utopian & dystopian Comments: cc: Frederic Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oops, missed your explicit HS reference. So much for Reed even if one wanted to tackle his work. My colleague Frederic Bush has offered the following suggestions: "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson "Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut "By the Waters of Babylon" by S V Benet "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas" by U K Le Guin "Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" by J L Borges--all "safe" choices, reputation-wise. Pre-1950 does get away from the Frederik Pohl/GALAXY axis of "comic infernos"...obvious suggestions from the magazines include John Campbell's "Don A Stuart" stories, such as "Twilight." Clifford Simak's "Desertion" among the other stories incorporated into CITY would make for possibly interesting discussion. Wallace West's insane "The Last Man" would certainly get discussion going as well. iginal Message----- From: Kirsten Hoyte [mailto:kaydee@CONCORDACADEMY.ORG] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 12:19 PM To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSF-L*] utopian & dystopian 1) I am looking for utopian and dystopian literature by writers of color. I am thinking about one of Octavia Butler's Parable books, but that would skew the course so that all of the contemporary writing is by women and almost all of older writing is by men. This definitely shows my current reading bias, but I'd rather this schism were not true. 2) I am also looking for any utopian/dystopian short stories or very short novels. (especially from pre-1950) 3) Lastly, I am looking for any utopian/dystopian poems (from any time period) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:11:57 EDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jeanne Thomas Subject: Re: utopian & dystopian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My middle school son just read The Giver by Lois Lowry - definitely dysutopian; one of those "children's" books that is too grim for many adults. -jt ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:19:09 PDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Daniel Krashin Subject: Re: utopian & dystopian Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >My colleague Frederic Bush has offered the following suggestions: > >"The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson >"Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut >"By the Waters of Babylon" by S V Benet >"The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas" by U K Le Guin >"Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" by J L Borges--all "safe" choices, >reputation-wise. E.M. Forster, "The Machine Stops" I hope you'd get at least a few real genre SF stories in there by unimproved ghetto-ized SF writers... I think it would be neat to get different kinds of utopias in there, too: the feminist utopia, maybe a libertarian utopia, an anarchist utopia, etc. I'm not sure how far you can push the limits in a high school setting. (OT-By The Way, seeing "The Lottery" made me think about that story... it left me very unimpressed as a kid. I think because I had already so much SF by the time I came to it, the final revelation of what the lottery really was didn't come as a surprise, more of a "ho-hum".) Dan Krashin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:52:45 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Kirsten Hoyte Subject: Re(2): [*FSF-L*] utopian & dystopian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you all very much for your suggestions! I also spent a lot of time yesterday searching the web for syllabi, course descriptions and resources about utopias and dystopias. There is a lot of great stuff out there. If any one would like a list of sites, let me know. Kirsten Kirsten_Hoyte@concordacademy.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:08:00 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nomination Period Opened MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT It is time to select the books to discuss in the BDG from January to April 2000. I invite you to nominate books from now on until Thursday, 28 October (incl.). The week after that, votes can be sent in. I will handle the nominations and continuously update the nomination webpage (see http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/bdg_nom_1099.htm ). Terri Wakefield will be in charge of the votes. Most on the list are quite familiar with the whole process by now. The selection procedure, old nomination list, the archives and the purpose of the BDG can be looked up at the BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/index.html To repeat them for the newcomers: The BDG is one (and only one) feature of the feministsf-lit. It's purpose is to focus discussion on a particular book at a particular time. Other books can be discussed in parallel to the BDG, of course, and past and future BDG books can be discussed at any time on the list. The only difference to a 'normal' list discussion is that in BDG messages spoilers (for the BDG book under discussion) have not to be pointed out (the 'BDG' in the subject line is the actual spoiler warning). List members can nominate any book that fulfills the following criteria: - speculative fiction (science fiction, fantasy, horror, etc.) - feminist (loose definition, nominators do _not_ have to have read the book already, it is enough if the story outline, reviews, or general reputation indicate that the book might be of interest from a feminist perspective) - currently available in the US (in English ;-) ) as mass market or trade paperback. Nominated books can be novels, collections and anthologies. If you nominate a collection or an anthology please specify which stories in particular you think the group should discuss (especially if it's a large one). Each list member can nominate one book. Please confirm the availability of any title before nominating it by contacting Maryelizabeth at Mysterious Galaxy (http://www.mystgalaxy.com/), by looking it up on Amazon.com or by enquiring at a near-by bookstore. With the nomination members should provide the following information: - author - title - publisher - list price - ISBN For example: Nalo Hopkinson: Brown Girl in the Ring. (July 1998). Warner Books; ISBN: 0446674338, List Price: $12.99 Nominations without this information are returned to the nominator. If somebody has for any reason difficulties confirming availability (e.g. non-US residents without full internet access) I am very ready to help them (please contact me off-list). Up-coming BDG books: Nov. 1 The Mistress of Spices, by Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni Dec. 6 Flying Cups and Saucers, eds. Debbie Notkin et al. See the BDG archives at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/bdg_archives.html for books discussed so far. Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:42:26 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Tracy Mitchell Subject: Re: BDG Nomination Period Opened Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd like to nominate - author Raphael Carter - title The Fortunate Fall - publisher Tor - list price $11.16 soft(amazon)/$21.95 hard (amazon) - ISBN ISBN #0-312-86034-X - on line reviews : http://www.ala.org/booklist/v92/33a.html#Carter http://www.bookwire.com/PW/Science-Fiction/read.Review$2423 http://www.epiphyte.net/SF/fortunate-fall.html http://www.sff.net/people/richard.horton/fortfall.htm http://www.cs.latrobe.edu.au/~agapow/Postviews/past_c-d.html#fortunatefall Tracy A. Mitchell Graphics Editor IBM Networking Education - NHD tracyam@us.ibm.com (Internet) Tracy A. Mitchell/Raleigh/Contr/IBM (Lotus) External (919) 301-3113 T/L 541-3113 Fax (919) 301-3691 Petra Mayerhofer on 10/21/99 10:08:00 AM Please respond to "Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC" To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU cc: Subject: [*FSF-L*] BDG Nomination Period Opened It is time to select the books to discuss in the BDG from January to April 2000. I invite you to nominate books from now on until Thursday, 28 October (incl.). The week after that, votes can be sent in. I will handle the nominations and continuously update the nomination webpage (see http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/bdg_nom_1099.htm ). Terri Wakefield will be in charge of the votes. Most on the list are quite familiar with the whole process by now. The selection procedure, old nomination list, the archives and the purpose of the BDG can be looked up at the BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/index.html To repeat them for the newcomers: The BDG is one (and only one) feature of the feministsf-lit. It's purpose is to focus discussion on a particular book at a particular time. Other books can be discussed in parallel to the BDG, of course, and past and future BDG books can be discussed at any time on the list. The only difference to a 'normal' list discussion is that in BDG messages spoilers (for the BDG book under discussion) have not to be pointed out (the 'BDG' in the subject line is the actual spoiler warning). List members can nominate any book that fulfills the following criteria: - speculative fiction (science fiction, fantasy, horror, etc.) - feminist (loose definition, nominators do _not_ have to have read the book already, it is enough if the story outline, reviews, or general reputation indicate that the book might be of interest from a feminist perspective) - currently available in the US (in English ;-) ) as mass market or trade paperback. Nominated books can be novels, collections and anthologies. If you nominate a collection or an anthology please specify which stories in particular you think the group should discuss (especially if it's a large one). Each list member can nominate one book. Please confirm the availability of any title before nominating it by contacting Maryelizabeth at Mysterious Galaxy (http://www.mystgalaxy.com/), by looking it up on Amazon.com or by enquiring at a near-by bookstore. With the nomination members should provide the following information: - author - title - publisher - list price - ISBN For example: Nalo Hopkinson: Brown Girl in the Ring. (July 1998). Warner Books; ISBN: 0446674338, List Price: $12.99 Nominations without this information are returned to the nominator. If somebody has for any reason difficulties confirming availability (e.g. non-US residents without full internet access) I am very ready to help them (please contact me off-list). Up-coming BDG books: Nov. 1 The Mistress of Spices, by Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni Dec. 6 Flying Cups and Saucers, eds. Debbie Notkin et al. See the BDG archives at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/bdg_archives.html for books discussed so far. Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:50:48 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Comments: Sender has elected to use 8-bit data in this message. If problems arise, refer to postmaster at sender's site. From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: Re: BDG Nomination In-Reply-To: <199910211208.OAA22486@cserv.usf.uni-kassel.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT I nominate _The Wood Wife_ by Terri Windling (List Price: $6.99, Mass Market Paperback,Reprint edition (August 1997), Tor Books; ISBN: 0812549295) I've ordered it after I read all these reviews. According to them it is poetic and inspired. And I am curious about the Native American 'magic'. However, it's probably not overmuch feminist. >From Kirkus Reviews , August 15, 1996 Distinctive contemporary fantasy set in the Arizona desert, from the well-known editor (the annual Year's Best Fantasy and Horror, with Ellen Datlow, etc.). When the prize-winning, gin- sozzled English poet Davis Cooper died in a dry gully (of drowning!) near his home east of Tucson, he left his house, papers, and real estate to budding poet Maggie Black, with whom he had corresponded but had never met. Separating from her talented but demanding musician husband Nigel, Maggie takes up residence in Cooper's old house, discovering fragments of unpublished poems, together with a gallery of extraordinary paintings left by Cooper's lover, Anna Navarra--paintings that Maggie finds both provocative and disturbing. The locals, too, seem to hint of another, unseen world behind the real one, a world of magic and metamorphoses that Maggie can almost perceive, whose landscape is defined by mysterious, powerful mages operating by rules that she finds herself gradually able to comprehend. To understand Cooper, Navarra, and the unseen world, Maggie must delve deep inside her own being, where, ultimately, she will find the key to her own poetry--as well as the means to transcend space and time, to actually meet Cooper and unravel the mystery of his bizarre death. A splendid desert enchantment that flows with its own eerie logic-- arresting, evocative, and well worked out despite the entirely superfluous last couple of chapters. Mythprint Review by Eleanor Farrell http://www.mythsoc.org/twwrev.html 'Windling's choice of approach and style has similarities to the stories of Charles de Lint and Robert Holdstock, but I think here, at least, she is a better writer thaneither of these authors. Where Holdstock's creation of mythagos and their appearance in the wood in which his stories center is often over-written and convoluted, Windling tells a clear straightforward tale, bringing the magic of the Sante Fe mountains quietly to the surface and into the life of her main character. [...] I must say that I found her setting and use of mythic figures a refreshing change. Windling uses the Native American motifs of the Trickster, shape-changing and the spiral path, weaving these with Celtic elements like the Wild Hunt into a pattern which demonstrates the universal nature of spirit myths.' Strange Words Review at http://www.strangewords.com/archive/indian.html 'Terri Windling^Òs The Wood Wife [Tor, 1996] is a richly detailed, engaging modern fantasy replete with deep friendships, self- discovery, and spirits of the land.' - Kinrowan Review at http://kinrowan.com/wood_wife.html 'Windling's characters are brilliantly unique, and real; in many ways, they remind me of the myriad persons peppering Charles de Lint's novels, and indeed The Wood Wife has echoes of novels like Moonheart. But where Charles de Lint can occasionally stray into obscurity, Windling keeps a tight grip on her tale as mystery transforms into fantasy, and reality widens to accommodate it. At only 292 pages, it may seem that The Wood Wife is a quick read. But in an era when most fantasy authors live by the rule "Why use 300 pages when 900 will do?" (Tad Williams, are you reading this?), Windling never wastes a word, never meanders down a diversion. The result is a novel with an edge like a well-forged blade that will leave you breathless and gratified. The final unfolding of the plot is magnificently complex, and the climax is bracing and worthy of the name.' Chapters 1 and 2 can be read at http://www.endicott-studio.com/wwchptr1.html Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:04:59 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jessie Stickgold-Sarah Subject: BDG noms: is The Northern Girl coming out? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Uh, no pun intended. Does anyone know whether Elizabeth A. Lynn's _The Northern Girl_ is being reissued? The whole trilogy briefly emerged as an omnibus trade and almost instantly disappeared; _Watchtower_ and _The Dancers of Arun_ are being reissued. But I haven't yet seen a listing for _Northern Girl_. Please? Jessie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:39:57 EDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jeanne Thomas Subject: Re: BDG noms: is The Northern Girl coming out? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/21/99 1:03:02 PM, jessiess@RESEARCH.BELL-LABS.COM writes: << Watchtower_ and _The Dancers of Arun_ are being reissued. >> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:42:26 EDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jeanne Thomas Subject: Is The Northern Girl coming out? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops! my earlier note was sent in error.... In a message dated 10/21/99 1:03:02 PM, jessiess@RESEARCH.BELL-LABS.COM writes: << Watchtower_ and _The Dancers of Arun_ are being reissued. >> That's wonderful! I have The Northern Girl, but never owned the other two. Now I can have the whole trilogy! Jeanne ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:25:45 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: ROBBER BRIDE discussion in progress on NPR's TALK OF THE NATION MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was previously unaware there was a Margaret Atwood Society. That must seem a bit odd to Atwood, if flattering.