From LISTSERV@listserv.uic.edu Thu Aug 24 18:50:04 2000 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:41:33 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University of Illinois at Chicago (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG9911A" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:33:58 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jessie Stickgold-Sarah Subject: Re: BDG Voting In-Reply-To: <02bb01bf22af$439f5580$06f34e0c@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Are Nominations ranked in order of which ones you want to read most or >according to which month you want to read it in? How is it decided which >book gets read when? Is it according to tally's of the rankings once all >the nominations are in? Amy You cast four unranked votes, and then read the four books which get the most votes. The order has been alphabetical, although sometimes we've shifted books around because of availability, etc. jessie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:56:43 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Claudia Mastroianni Subject: Re: BDG Nominations There are two nominated books by Elizabeth Moon, so I'd like to point out the current rules regarding multiple works by the same author. On the BDG page on the selection process: "If multiple works by a single author are nominated, all votes for that author's works are counted together; if the total votes for the author's works are among the four highest, then the book by that author with the most votes is selected for discussion." Claudia -- "Woad?" she asked. "Maybelline," I told her. -- The Godmother's Apprentice ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:17:39 -0600 Reply-To: quiltedpoetry@att.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Liz Bennefeld Subject: Re: BDG Nominations In-Reply-To: <199911011856.NAA02571@is07.fas.harvard.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I noted that we had two by Elizabeth Moon. It's interesting to me, because while I enjoy the rest of her books immensely, even to the extent of buying them in hc, I do not like the Paks series at all. My husband loves them, though. Liz On 1 Nov 99, at 13:56, Claudia Mastroianni wrote: > There are two nominated books by Elizabeth Moon, so I'd like to point > out the current rules regarding multiple works by the same author. On > the BDG page on the selection process: > -- QuiltedPoetry@att.net Please visit my November "Children's Book Week" Project at http://wordquilts.home.att.net (There's still room for "Author of the Day" volunteers) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:54:36 -0500 Reply-To: viv@psnyc.com Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Viv Sutherland Organization: Public Systems, Inc. Subject: Re: Bujold In-Reply-To: <3819E22F.CAC2627C@mystgalaxy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I love Bujold's books, especially the Miles Vorkosigan series. If we decided to discuss the latest I'd probably have to break down & buy it before it comes out in paperback. :-) Viv > Hi, Sharon: > > Just a quick reminder that we can discuss books not part of the "official" BDG process too. > And I know there are other readers of the Vorkosigan series out there! Personally, I'd be > thrilled to discuss A CIVIL CAMPAIGN, with sufficient spoiler alerts to those who may not be > caught up yet. > > Pax, > > Maryelizabeth > > Sharon Anderson wrote: > > > I would like to ask a question, and then, maybe, nominate a book. > > > > If I nominated one of Bujold's Miles Vorkosigan books, would anybody vote for it? > > If so, which one would you like to see nominated? > > > > ---Sharon > > -- > > Maryelizabeth Hart > Publicity Manager > > ****************************************************************** > Mysterious Galaxy Local Phone: 858.268.4747 > 3904 Convoy Street, #107 Fax: 858.268.4775 > San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 > http://www.mystgalaxy.com Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com > ****************************************************************** > > Viv Sutherland Public Systems, Inc. viv@psnyc.com http://www.psnyc.com "There are no stupid questions, only impatient techs." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:52:15 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: discussing Bujold MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We might want to make sure we not only are careful to warn of spoilers for A CIVIL CAMPAIGN, but also for KOMARR, since the two have such directly linked events... So, Cynthia, would you like to start? Cynthia Gonsalves wrote: > Yup, definitely, let's throw A Civil Campaign with appropriate spoilerspoo > into the mix. > > Cynthia > -- > "I had to be a bitch, they wouldn't let me be a Jesuit." > -Joan Gant in Matt Ruff's Sewer, Gas, and Electric > Sharks Bite!!! http://members.home.net/cynthia1960/ -- Maryelizabeth Hart Publicity Manager ****************************************************************** Mysterious Galaxy Local Phone: 858.268.4747 3904 Convoy Street, #107 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ****************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:16:17 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Cynthia Gonsalves Subject: Re: discussing Bujold In-Reply-To: <381F954D.387F665E@mystgalaxy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:52 PM 11/2/1999 -0800, you wrote: >We might want to make sure we not only are careful to warn of spoilers for A >CIVIL CAMPAIGN, but also for KOMARR, since the two have such directly linked >events... > >So, Cynthia, would you like to start? > Well, here goes a quick start to the discussion...with appropriate spoilerspoo for both KOMARR and A CIVIL CAMPAIGN.... x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x First off, I enjoyed these books immensely, especially A Civil Campaign. It took me three hours from the receipt of the Amazon package with ACC to devour the book, and I immediately began a re-reading because I had so much fun and needed to wallow in it. I had read the first nine chapters on-line, but I would have had just as much fun if I hadn't. Komarr, on the other hand, took a bit longer for me to fully appreciate. I think you could enjoy ACC on its own without reading Komarr, you'd miss some of the setup, but still enjoy the payoff. I would be interested in hearing from others on the list about how Barrayaran institutions are being shaped by exposure to the wider galactic culture, especially marriage, child rearing, and inheritance rights. I've got to head off for worker caste duties, now, but will send more later. Cynthia -- "I had to be a bitch, they wouldn't let me be a Jesuit." -Joan Gant in Matt Ruff's Sewer, Gas, and Electric Sharks Bite!!! http://members.home.net/cynthia1960/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:28:00 -0500 Reply-To: releon@syr.edu Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Rudy Leon Organization: Syracuse University Subject: Re: discussing Bujold In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991103090501.0098f2b0@mail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Is there a chronology to these Bujold books anywhere? I vaguely remember someone posting one here a long time ago, but cannot find it. I've only read the Cordelia's Honor dual book, and would like to go at it in some sort of order. Rudy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:11:08 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jessie Stickgold-Sarah Subject: Re: discussing Bujold In-Reply-To: <199911031844.NAA10869@mailbox.syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The internal chronology is: Falling Free* Cordelia's Honor (Shards of Honor/Barrayar) Young Miles (The Warrior's Apprentice/The Vor Game) Cetaganda Ethan of Athos** Brothers In Arms Mirror Dance Memory Komarr A Civil Campaign * Falling Free is set approx. 200 years earlier and does not have any of the same characters. ** Ethan of Athos occurs almost exactly simultaneously with Cetaganda, but is an unrelated plot line. It has one character who is a secondary character in tWA and tVG (Young Miles, omnibus), and its main character is new and does not recur. Falling Free and Cetaganda were written out of order, if you're curious. Besides the two-in-one books many people will loosely group Brothers In Arms, Mirror Dance, and Memory as books progressing along a developing theme; likewise Komarr and A Civil Campaign are two halves of a plot arc. But each book stands alone. Jessie >Is there a chronology to these Bujold books anywhere? I vaguely >remember someone posting one here a long time ago, but cannot >find it. I've only read the Cordelia's Honor dual book, and would >like to go at it in some sort of order. > >Rudy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:42:56 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sandy Candioglos Subject: [Fwd: RE: [*FSF-L*] discussing Bujold MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My understanding is that Young Miles also includes the three short stories that are in "Borders of Infinity" (which is available in a new $1.99 edition), but doesn't include the "surrounding story" that kinda ties the three together in BoI. BoI is probably worth picking up or checking out just to read the bits in-between the stories, if you have already read the stories in "young miles". http://www.baen.com/catalog/vortimes.htm Has the published chronology; this same thing is in the back of all the books (unless you have an early edition of one of the earlier ones, I would imagine). -Sandy > -----Original Message----- > From: Jessie Stickgold-Sarah [mailto:jessiess@RESEARCH.BELL-LABS.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:11 AM > To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@listserv.uic.edu > Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] discussing Bujold > > > The internal chronology is: > > Falling Free* > Cordelia's Honor (Shards of Honor/Barrayar) > Young Miles (The Warrior's Apprentice/The Vor Game) > Cetaganda > Ethan of Athos** > Brothers In Arms > Mirror Dance > Memory > Komarr > A Civil Campaign > > * Falling Free is set approx. 200 years earlier and does not > have any of > the same characters. > ** Ethan of Athos occurs almost exactly simultaneously with > Cetaganda, but > is an unrelated plot line. It has one character who is a secondary > character in tWA and tVG (Young Miles, omnibus), and its main > character is > new and does not recur. > > Falling Free and Cetaganda were written out of order, if > you're curious. > Besides the two-in-one books many people will loosely group > Brothers In > Arms, Mirror Dance, and Memory as books progressing along a developing > theme; likewise Komarr and A Civil Campaign are two halves of > a plot arc. > But each book stands alone. > > Jessie > > > >Is there a chronology to these Bujold books anywhere? I vaguely > >remember someone posting one here a long time ago, but cannot > >find it. I've only read the Cordelia's Honor dual book, and would > >like to go at it in some sort of order. > > > >Rudy > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:54:27 -0600 Reply-To: quiltedpoetry@att.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Liz Bennefeld Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: [*FSF-L*] discussing Bujold In-Reply-To: <3820F2B0.4B4BAC29@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This is the only one I've got, and I wasn't all that impressed by it. Figure there's something to be said for starting at the beginning and getting some perspective on it? Liz On 3 Nov 99, at 18:42, Sandy Candioglos wrote: > My understanding is that Young Miles also includes the three short > stories that are in "Borders of Infinity" (which is available in a new > $1.99 edition), but doesn't include the "surrounding story" that kinda > ties the three together in BoI. . . . -- Please visit my "National Children's Book Week" Project November Calendar at http://wordquilts.home.att.net There are still openings for a few "Author of the Day" volunteers. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:39:34 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sandy Candioglos Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: [*FSF-L*] discussing Bujold MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, yeah; basically it's about what, 10 pages, and it is filler that was added in because her editor wanted to be able to sell it as a "novel" instead of a "short story collection", but she also says that losing the storyline is the only thing she regrets about putting together "young miles". *shrug*. If you're a fan, and want to read everything written about Barrayar and the Vorkosigans, you'll want to at least read it once. :) -Sandy > -----Original Message----- > From: Liz Bennefeld [mailto:quiltedpoetry@att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:54 PM > To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@listserv.uic.edu > Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] [Fwd: RE: [*FSF-L*] discussing Bujold > > > This is the only one I've got, and I wasn't all that impressed by it. > Figure there's something to be said for starting at the beginning > and getting some perspective on it? > > Liz > > On 3 Nov 99, at 18:42, Sandy Candioglos wrote: > > My understanding is that Young Miles also includes the three short > > stories that are in "Borders of Infinity" (which is > available in a new > > $1.99 edition), but doesn't include the "surrounding story" > that kinda > > ties the three together in BoI. . . . > > -- > Please visit my "National Children's Book Week" Project > November Calendar at http://wordquilts.home.att.net > There are still openings for a few "Author of the Day" volunteers. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:34:02 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: I've begun the new Arnason novella, in the December F&SF, last ni ght... Comments: To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Has anyone else picked this up? First notions, statement at the outset that this is a lesbian love story and also that the humanoids involved are very furry and have shaving issues, is humorous...otherwise, so far good adventure fiction in the exotic Leiber/Vance/Russ/Le Guin mode... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:35:35 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: I've begun the new Arnason novella, in the December F&SF, las t night... Comments: To: "FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Or even, are humorous. Or witty. > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Mason > Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:34 PM > To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU > Cc: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU > Subject: I've begun the new Arnason novella, in the December F&SF, > last night... > > Has anyone else picked this up? First notions, statement at the outset > that this is a lesbian love story and also that the humanoids involved are > very furry and have shaving issues, is humorous...otherwise, so far good > adventure fiction in the exotic Leiber/Vance/Russ/Le Guin mode... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:01:35 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: J K Rowling, the creator of Harry Potter, on CSPAN2 Sat and Sun Comments: To: Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT , "horror@listserv.indiana.edu" Comments: cc: "FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That, of course, would be 6 and 7 November! -----Original Message----- From: Todd Mason Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 4:00 PM To: 'Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT'; 'horror@listserv.indiana.edu' Cc: 'FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU'; 'FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU' Subject: J K Rowling, the creator of Harry Potter, on CSPAN2 Sat and Sun Her talk to the National Press Club will be cablecast on C-SPAN2 on 7 November at 3pm ET, and 8 November 10am ET. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:00:14 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: J K Rowling, the creator of Harry Potter, on CSPAN2 Sat and Sun Comments: To: Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT , "horror@listserv.indiana.edu" Comments: cc: "FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Her talk to the National Press Club will be cablecast on C-SPAN2 on 7 November at 3pm ET, and 8 November 10am ET. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:41:16 +0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jennifer Krauel Subject: BDG: January-April selections Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to each of you who nominated books and who voted, and especially to Petra and Terri for their excellent work running this selection process. I hardly lifted a finger this time around and am only announcing the next books so that you will all know I'm still around and determined to jump back into the discussions. Here are the upcoming selections: Briar Rose, by Jane Yolen - January 2000 Dawn, by Octavia Butler - February The Dazzle of Day, by Molly Gloss - March Remnant Population, by Elizabeth Moon - April And remember the current selections: The Mistress of Spices, by Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni - November 1999 Flying Cups and Saucers, eds. Debbie Notkin et al. - December 1999 If you need to find a copy of any of these books the full info is below. If possible, please patronize your local independent bookseller, and of course Mysterious Galaxy (www.mystgalaxy.com) continues to generously offer a 15% discount on these titles. Jane Yolen: Briar Rose. List Price: $5.99, Mass Market Paperback Reprint edition (November 1993), Tor Books; ISBN: 0812558626 Octavia Butler: Dawn. (Xenogenesis, Bk. 1.). (April 1997), Warner Books; ISBN: 0446603775, List price $6.50 Molly Gloss: The Dazzle of Day. Tor, 1998. Paperback, ISBN: 031286437X ; List Price: $12.95 Elizabeth Moon: Remnant Population. Mass Market Paperback 352 pages (March 1997), Baen Books; ISBN: 0671877704; List price: $5.99 For any other information about our organized discussions please see: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:04:46 +0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jennifer Krauel Subject: BDG: Mistress of Spices Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I realized just now that we are overdue to begin discussing our November book, The Mistress of Spices. (Of course you can continue posting about Bujold or anyone else for that matter, as long as it's on topic.) While I did not actually read the book, I listened to a recording of the book, perhaps made by the author herself although I don't recall. I loved hearing it told as a story. Seeing the print version I was surprised to see how Tilo's name was spelled - the author pronounced it "Taylo" (of course that is my lame rendition of her lovely accent). Here's the synopsis from Amazon's web site: "In the world created by first-time novelist Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni, there is a spice to cure every human ailment, and her heroine, Tilo, is in fact The Mistress of Spices. Tilo (short for Tilottama) comes by her curative powers in a magically roundabout way. Born in India, she ends up on a remote island courtesy of pirates and sea snakes. Here she encounters an ancient woman who instructs her in the power of spice. Her education complete, Tilo heads for Oakland, California, to practice her healing arts. She diagnoses the ills of the various people who come to her spice shop, and cures them, too, until one day she discovers that magic is a double-edged sword. In chapters named for spices, we follow Tilo's adventures from her birth to the moment she must decide whether to ply her special powers alone or share her life with another." And from the New York Times review: "The Mistress of Spices becomes a novel about choosing between a life of special powers and one of ordinary love and compassion. If Tilo's choice is rather predictable, the way Ms. Divakaruni gets us there is anything but. " I found the parts about her adjustment to an old woman's body particularly interesting. There are far too few depictions of old women, real or illusory, in this genre (next April's discussion selection Remnant Population being a notable exception.) What did you think of the book?