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-----Original Message-----
From: James Hinsey [mailto:SamuraiX47@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 8:42 AM
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Subject: World Fantasy Con Awards


Special Award - Non Professional
Richard Chizmar for Cemetery Dance Publications

Special Award - Professional
Jim Turner for Golden Gryphon Press

Artist
Charles Vess

Anthology
Dreaming Down -Under, edited by Jack Dann and Janeen Webb (HarperCollins
Australia/Voyager)

Collection
Karen Joy Fowler, Black Glass (Henry Holt)

Short Fiction
Kelly Link, "The Specialist's Hat" (Event Horizon November 15)

Novella
Ian MacLeod, "The Summer Isles" (Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, Oct/Nov)

Novel
Louise Erdrich, "The Antelope Wife" (HarperFlamingo)

Life Achievement
Hugh B. Cave
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Date:         Tue, 9 Nov 1999 03:02:59 -0500
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> D'uh-----
what makes this a fantasy novel?    Please explain?  Thank you.      Amy
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> Novel
> Louise Erdrich, "The Antelope Wife" (HarperFlamingo)
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Hello Everyone:

My name is Tracy Mitchell and I am new to the list..  Some of my interests
include sociology (gender studies/ inequality), cooking and screenwriting
(nothing published yet). I love science fiction and literature and look
forward to contributing to the discussions!

"Mistress of Spices" was picked before I joined and although my interest is
mainly in science fiction, as opposed to fantasy,  I thought I'd give it a
try.  There are certainly elements of the book I enjoyed.  Divakaruni's
ability as a poet is evident. Her language  and lyrical turning of a phrase
mostly added to the imagery of the book but sometimes seemed overdone.
Naming the chapters after spices (except for the last) and having spices be
the tool of healing and undoing of those in need  reminded me of "Like
Water for Chocolate".    As in "Like Water for Chocolate" the  power  women
wield in their socially constructed  arena of cooking is highlighted.   In
"Mistress"  women's power within the cultural constraints of their sex
roles is also highlighted and the sex roles themselves challenged (Geeta,
who dates out-side her ethnic group and Lalita's who escapes an abusive
husband.)  Except for Raven and Tilo, however the characters seemed
quickly  and sparsely sketched.  The drama of the supporting characters
situations where more a a defining point.   I had many question about he
Tilo character which remanded unanswered:  While "caring for our fellow
human" is a noble call for anyone, does Tilo's self sacrificing border on
excessive martyrdom and care-taking, roles so often attributed to women?
This reader would say so. What do you think?

As a character, Tilo never seemed committed to being a Mistress of Spices
except by her own criteria.  Even before Tilo left the island the Old One
voiced doubt after doubt concerning Tilo's ability to adhere to the
dictates of the spices and her role as Mistress. Tilo wanted to help folks
but on her own terms.  The tension between vocation and love/self will may
have been helped/ made more dramatic and believable for this reader if Tilo
were more committed to the dictates of the spices and thus the break from
those dictates made all the more difficult.  As it where, this aspect of
the plot was predictable for me.

There are other aspects of the novel I would  love to discuss: Tilo &
Raven's relationship, etc.  Hope to hear from you!

Peace,
Tracy







Jennifer Krauel <jennifer@KRAUEL.COM> on 11/07/99 03:04:46 PM

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I realized just now that we are overdue to begin discussing our November
book, The Mistress of Spices.  (Of course you can continue posting about
Bujold or anyone else for that matter, as long as it's on topic.)

While I did not actually read the book, I listened to a recording of the
book, perhaps made by the author herself although I don't recall.  I loved
hearing it told as a story.  Seeing the print version I was surprised to
see how Tilo's name was spelled - the author pronounced it "Taylo" (of
course that is my lame rendition of her lovely accent).

Here's the synopsis from Amazon's web site:

"In the world created by first-time novelist Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni,
there is a spice to cure every human ailment, and her heroine, Tilo, is in
fact The Mistress of Spices. Tilo (short for Tilottama) comes by her
curative powers in a magically roundabout way. Born in India, she ends up
on a remote island courtesy of pirates and sea snakes. Here she encounters
an ancient woman who instructs her in the power of spice. Her education
complete, Tilo heads for Oakland, California, to practice her healing arts.
She diagnoses the ills of the various people who come to her spice shop,
and cures them, too, until one day she discovers that magic is a
double-edged sword.
In chapters named for spices, we follow Tilo's adventures from her birth to
the moment she must decide whether to ply her special powers alone or share
her life with another."

And from the New York Times review:
"The Mistress of Spices becomes a novel about choosing between a life of
special powers and one of ordinary love and compassion. If Tilo's choice is
rather predictable, the way Ms. Divakaruni gets us there is anything but. "

I found the parts about her adjustment to an old woman's body particularly
interesting.  There are far too few depictions of old women, real or
illusory, in this genre (next April's discussion selection Remnant
Population being a notable exception.)

What did you think of the book?
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Like Tracy, I prefer Science Fiction to Fantasy so perhaps that's why I had
some problems with this book.  I appreciated some of the lyrical language,
the glimpses into lives/cultures I don't know much about, and the
feminist/humanist awareness of the problems of transported women and men
trying to live in a racist culture.  I also appreciated that, although she
shows the "warts" of the US big city, she also shows the problems the women
especially had with the  gendered expectations from their home culture.
BUT the fantasy elements didn't feel very consistent to me, I wanted more
than glimpses into the lives and cultures of the people, and love at first
sight/miraculous understanding from one touch/look doesn't work for me.  I
have trouble "suspending disbelief" for that particular cliche so my
ability to get into some of the other material was lessened too.  (The
romance elements must have been working on some level though because I must
admit that a full story about Raven's life would be fun to read.)
**Question for the rest of you:  How did you react to the material about
Raven's life?  Writing this has made me realize that I remember that in
more detail than I do the material about Tilo.  I wonder why.  Tilo is
clearly the main character but I agree with Tracy, she felt a bit vague to
me.
The best part about Tilo for me was the parts about her as an older woman.
Older women don't show up in fiction all that often.  I'm writing about A
Rose for Armageddon by Hilbert Schenck which has a women in her 60s as the
main character.  If anyone else has read the book and has any comments
about it, I'd love to hear them either on the list or directly to me.
   This is totally unorganized but I just thought of something else:  I
thought the ending of MoS was telegraphed so it fell flat for me.
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Dear All,

I'm new here - so I guess the first thing is just to say hi ...

Just wanted to say that I really enjoyed reading 'Mistress of Spices'
but was really curious when I saw it nominated for this list - it
hadn't occured to me that it might be thought of as F/SF.

Nevertheless, I really enjoyed the novel stylistically and the way
Chitra dealt with the cross-cultural stuff, although - despite the
NYTimes review - I was disappointed by the ending which still seemed
a little too neat and tidy for me - as if the author had built this
huge luscious garden and then gone in with the secateurs.



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You say I am mysterious
Let me explain myself:
In a land of oranges
I am faithful to apples.
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From:         Maryelizabeth Hart <publicity@MYSTGALAXY.COM>
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Subject:      A CIVIL CAMPAIGN -- discussing Bujold
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Spoiler Alert!!

Cynthia Gonsalves wrote:

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> I would be interested in hearing from others on the list about how
> Barrayaran institutions are being shaped by exposure to the wider galactic
> culture, especially marriage, child rearing, and inheritance rights.
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I tend to think it's actually important in this cast to read KOMARR before A
CIVIL CAMPAIGN. Perhaps it's just because I did so, but I think knowing the
background and experiencing the story in KOMARR is important to understanding
Ekatrin and Mile's conflicts, both internal and external, and Ekatrin's
protectiveness of Nikki beyond the "average" maternal instinct.

I also liked the fact that in A CIVIL CAMPAIGN Mark has moved mostly beyond
proving himself to his brother and/or parents, and is working on proving himself
to his potential in-laws.

More in response to Cynthia's excellent query when my brain is working more
fully...



Maryelizabeth Hart
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Date:         Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:13:48 -0800
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I finally got to a bookstore and bought Komarr. I just started it, so I don't
have anything meaningful to say yet.  But by all means,  go on, go on!

---s
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I'm just finishing Cordelia's Honor, and bought Mirror Dance, this
evening. (My book budget is a disaster area at this point.)  They
didn't have any of the books in between those two, looking at it
chronologically, other than that $1.99 book (Borders of Infinity?)
that I picked up a month or two ago. Cordelia's a LOT more
interesting than Miles was.

Liz

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> I finally got to a bookstore and bought Komarr. I just started it, so
> I don't have anything meaningful to say yet.  But by all means,  go
> on, go on!
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> ---s



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