From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Thu Jul 12 20:24:56 2001 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:39:50 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0001B" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:32:38 -0800 Reply-To: shander@cdsnet.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sharon Anderson Subject: Re: BDG Briar Rose MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope you all had pleasant holidays and will recover soon, so the list will be active again. This was a re-read for me. I liked it just as much the second time around. One thing I found interesting is the similarity of the three sisters to the Cinderella tale -- although the wicked stepmother is entirely absent. I loved this blending of different fairy tales in Tepper's Beauty as well as the Yolen Book. I always enjoy learning something new from a book. I am not particularly happy that in this case it is the fact that exposure to poisonous gas leaves a roseate blush on the skin. Other little treasures which I had not particularly noticed the first time around: - the attitude of the priest toward his parishoners, and why he stays - the joy of travel for its own sake, and making a new friend, in the midst of a grim search - the research. Oskar Schindler's name is listed, before Spielberg brought him to the attention of the rest of us. I have to admit, I haven't read any others in this series. Are they available, does anybody know? ---s ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:26:32 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sandy Candioglos Subject: Re: BDG Briar Rose Comments: To: shander@cdsnet.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sharon Anderson wrote: > > I hope you all had pleasant holidays and will recover soon, so the list will > be active again. > > This was a re-read for me. I liked it just as much the second time around. > One thing I found interesting is the similarity of the three sisters to the > Cinderella tale -- although the wicked stepmother is entirely absent. I loved > this blending of different fairy tales in Tepper's Beauty as well as the Yolen Book. > I always enjoy learning something new from a book. I am not particularly > happy that in this case it is the fact that exposure to poisonous gas leaves a > roseate blush on the skin. > Other little treasures which I had not particularly noticed the first time around: > - the attitude of the priest toward his parishoners, and why he stays > - the joy of travel for its own sake, and making a new friend, in the midst > of a grim search > - the research. Oskar Schindler's name is listed, before Spielberg brought > him to the attention of the rest of us. > I have to admit, I haven't read any others in this series. Are they > available, does anybody know? > > ---s I just checked; According to amazon.com and the Tor web site, it looks like "the nightingale" by Kara Dalkey (which I haven't read) is out of print, and "snow white and rose red" by Patricia Wrede is also out of print, but the rest are still in print ("Tam Lin" by Pamela Dean, "The sun the moon and the stars" by Steven Brust, and "Jack of Kinrowan" by Charles DeLint). "white as snow" by Tanith Lee is supposed to be the next one, not out yet. The short story collections edited by Windling and Datlow are also VERY good ("snow white, blood red", etc.); there will eventually be 6, I'm led to understand the first 5 are available, though I've only actually seen the first 4. -Sandy ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 08:26:56 -0500 Reply-To: Frances Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Frances Subject: Re: Sheri Tepper Resources MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just surfing and came upon this page, which seems to be in progress. Tepper fans might like to take a look. http://www.tragamor.freeserve.co.uk/ I've been trying out www.google.com which is a very fast search engine, as yet unencumbered by advertising, which brings up masses of references, including a couple of quotations concerning family planning in a compilation from a very hostile source. http://www.ewtn.com/library/PROLENC/ENCYC067.TXT Frances ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:56:53 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Lyla Miklos Subject: Re: BDG BRIAR ROSE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Behind as usual, I just read this one today...I've > always been fond of Jane > Yolen, and I liked this one too. For some reason the > writing seemed a bit > clunky, All the bits with the editor at her local nespaper and them getting to know eachother better were rather icky and reminded me of the time when I used to read Sweet Valley High books. I found the most engaging part of the tale the bit where the gay survivor recounts his story. The images from that sequence have always stuck with me. Lyla __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:54:07 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: FW: PHILADELPHIA FANTASTIC-- Camille Bacon-Smith Comments: To: Multiple recipients of list , "sciencefiction-l@listserv.indiana.edu" Comments: cc: "smeghead@erols.com" , "camille@voicenet.com" , Fred Ollinger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- From: Camille Bacon-Smith [mailto:camille@VOICENET.COM] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:27 PM To: SF-LIT@RS8.LOC.GOV Join the Philadelphia Fantastic authors, editors, and fans as we begin our third year of readings--our second year at BORDERS BOOKS, 1727 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania--in science fiction, fantasy, and horror. Science fiction scholar Camille Bacon-Smith will read from her new book, SCIENCE FICTION CULTURE and discuss her research and writing on January 28, 2000 @7:30 pm, Bacon-Smith, whose previous work includes a number of novels published by DAW Books and the study of media fanzine culture, ENTERPRISING WOMEN, now explores the complex and interlinked cultures of science fiction fandom and the science fiction publishing community. Join us on the 28th of January--and bring your questions about this surprising and exciting community. Philadelphia Fantastic presents a series of readings and informal discussions by and with local writers of speculative fiction on the fourth Friday of the month. Our location is BORDERS BOOKS, 1727 Walnut Street, and the time is 7:30 pm. The readings are free: post-reading snack-hunt is pay as you go. PS Check out our website at http://www.voicenet.com/~camille/phillysf.html for news of upcoming events. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:19:19 +0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Mary Hampton Subject: Re: FW: PHILADELPHIA FANTASTIC-- Camille Bacon-Smith wish i was in boston. At least for the one event. Do you know of any group/meeting in Austin, TX? MaryH > -----Original Message----- > From: Camille Bacon-Smith [mailto:camille@VOICENET.COM] > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:27 PM > To: SF-LIT@RS8.LOC.GOV > Join the Philadelphia Fantastic authors, editors, and fans as we begin > our third year of readings--our second year at BORDERS BOOKS, 1727 > Walnut Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania--in science fiction, fantasy, > and horror. Science fiction scholar Camille Bacon-Smith will read from > her new book, SCIENCE FICTION CULTURE and discuss her research and > writing on January 28, 2000 @7:30 pm, > > Bacon-Smith, whose previous work includes a number of novels published > by DAW Books and the study of media fanzine culture, ENTERPRISING WOMEN, > now explores the complex and interlinked cultures of science fiction > fandom and the science fiction publishing community. Join us on the > 28th of January--and bring your questions about this surprising and > exciting community. > > Philadelphia Fantastic presents a series of readings and informal > discussions by and with local writers of speculative fiction on the > fourth Friday of the month. Our location is BORDERS BOOKS, 1727 Walnut > Street, and the time is 7:30 pm. > > The readings are free: post-reading snack-hunt is pay as you > go. > > PS Check out our website at > http://www.voicenet.com/~camille/phillysf.html for news of upcoming > events. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:44:17 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Marcie McCauley Organization: @Home Network Subject: Jane Yolen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Despite the fact that our public library has 151 entries under Yolen's name, not one of them was for _Briar Rose_ and I wasn't well enough organized to put in for an inter-library loan in time for this discussion. :/ In lieu of that, I borrowed _Sister Light, Sister Dark_, which I mistakenly thought was somehow connected to _Briar Rose_ though I've since gathered from your posts that that's not true. In any case, I'm very glad to have stumbled on SL,SD. I also found a copy of _The One-Armed Queen_ but think I need to find _White Jenna_ before I read further. Does anyone know if it's especially important to read these in order or if there are more books in this series I should look for? One of the things I most enjoyed about SL,SD in terms of the way the story itself is told, is the way Yolen has sections for "legend", "myth", "story", "ballad" and "history", emphasizing the complementary nature of each in gaining an understanding of another culture. I particularly chuckled (albeit it bitterly) at the way the historian Magon is continually declared to be way off although the reader knows from that Magon is far closer to the 'truth' about this woman-centred society than the traditional "scholars" and "experts". Another aspect of the story itself which I appreciated is the way that the dark sister is vital and loved so that darkness is no longer something to be feared and avoided but embraced and explored. I've also always been partial to stories that detailed the teaching and training of young women be it in herbalism or magic or the Eye-Mind game. Oh to have been born into that world and avoided all the rote memorization of irrelevant facts and figures which characterized my own schooling - though they are long lost to me now. Marcie, currently reading Maureen McHugh's _Half the Day is Night_ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:03:48 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jessie Stickgold-Sarah Subject: Re: Jane Yolen In-Reply-To: <387A0C61.7E46CEAB@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >In any >case, I'm very glad to have stumbled on SL,SD. I also found a >copy of _The One-Armed Queen_ but think I need to find _White >Jenna_ before I read further. Does anyone know if it's >especially important to read these in order or if there are more >books in this series I should look for? Sister Light, Sister Dark and White Jenna are two parts of one story; they've since been reissued as The Books of Great Alta, which Yolen says is how they were meant initially. So I'd recommend reading them in order. The One-Armed Queen is another, subsequent story. I read SL,SD and WJ many years ago, and just recently got all three--I'm going to reread it soon, soon, soon. >One of the things I most enjoyed about SL,SD in terms of the way >the story itself is told, is the way Yolen has sections for >"legend", "myth", "story", "ballad" and "history", emphasizing >the complementary nature of each in gaining an understanding of >another culture. This was lovely. I believe Ursula leGuin does this in one of her books--can someone else remember what that was? I tried to read it when I was ten and couldn't make it, though I'd like to now. Was it Always Coming Home? Anyway, I loved the way all the different forms were contradictory and focussed on different parts and came up with mutually exclusive endings. I was rereading Peter Beagle's The Last Unicorn this weekend (a beautifully written story) and he's got one character who is desperately writing ballads about himself and trying to get them lost and mangled and obscured and confused, because then he'll *really* be a folk legend. "I want my very existence to be doubted!" jessie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:06:10 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Terri Subject: Re: Intro In-Reply-To: <3874C33E.18A19A65@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Yes, you're in the right place. :o) I think everyone is just numbed out from the holidays ! In case you haven't visited our web site the next few reads are Feb. Dawn by Octavia Butler March Dazzle of Day by Molli Gloss April Remnant Population by Elizabeth Moon Welcome to the list ! ! ! Terri >Hi I'm new to the list. Well, actually I was on this list about a year >ago, and am signed on again. The list has been very quiet and I'm >wondering why. > >Is this the list for book discussion-- I've read this months selection, >Briar Rose, but since it's been so quiet I'm wondering if I'm in the >right place? > >Thanks, >Allyson