From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Thu Jul 12 20:21:16 2001 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:39:52 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0003C" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:31:26 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: Awards News Comments: To: "iafa-l@ebbs.english.vt.edu" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Congratulations, Suzy! Thanks for the heads-up, Brett! -----Original Message----- From: Brett Cox [mailto:bcox@ascc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:23 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Awards News Congratulations to: --Suzy McKee Charnas, who has won this year's James Tiptree, Jr. Award for her novel _The Conqueror's Son_ --Jonathan Lethem, who has won this year's National Book Critics Circle Award for his novel _Motherless Brooklyn_ Brett ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:21:18 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Robin Wood Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What did you all think of _The Conqueror's Son_? I am doing a project on single-sexed utopian societies in fiction and it seems they drop off after about 1980. Any body read any single-sex or separated sexes utopias or SF written since 1980? Thanks. Robin At 10:31 AM 3/15/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Congratulations, Suzy! Thanks for the heads-up, Brett! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Brett Cox [mailto:bcox@ascc.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:23 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Awards News > > >Congratulations to: > >--Suzy McKee Charnas, who has won this year's James Tiptree, Jr. Award for >her novel _The Conqueror's Son_ > >--Jonathan Lethem, who has won this year's National Book Critics Circle >Award for his novel _Motherless Brooklyn_ > >Brett > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:26:14 -0500 Reply-To: Frances Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Frances Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um -- wasn't it "The Conqueror's Child"? Or have I missed one? Frances > >--Suzy McKee Charnas, who has won this year's James Tiptree, Jr. Award for >her novel _The Conqueror's Son_ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:23:29 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Keith Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 Comments: To: Frances In-Reply-To: <001d01bf8eff$cc56aba0$544d6420@fpgcswgi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Frances wrote: > Um -- wasn't it "The Conqueror's Child"? Or have I missed one? > > Frances > > > > >--Suzy McKee Charnas, who has won this year's James Tiptree, Jr. Award for > >her novel _The Conqueror's Son_ > Yes - and a daughter at that. The reversal in Conquerer's Child of the ceremony that, in Motherlines, gave that daughter the plains is one of the more hair-raising parts of the book. Kathleen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:55:22 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Comments: Sender has elected to use 8-bit data in this message. If problems arise, refer to postmaster at sender's site. From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000315222118.007aa5d0@mail.localnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On 15 Mar 00, Robin Wood wrote: > What did you all think of _The Conqueror's Son_? I am doing a project on > single-sexed utopian societies in fiction and it seems they drop off after > about 1980. Any body read any single-sex or separated sexes utopias or SF > written since 1980? Thanks. Well, I come up with _A Door into Ocean_ by Joan Slonczewski, published middle of the eighties, _The Shore of Women_ by Pamela Sargent (1986) _The Gate to Women's Country_ by Sheri Tepper (about 1988) _In the Mother Land_ by Élisabeth Vonarburg (1992) _Ammonite_ by Nicola Griffith (1992 or so) _The Y Chromosome_ by Leona Gom (1990) Also perhaps _Divine Endurance_ by Gwyneth Jones (1984) (I'm not sure as I have not read it). That are probably not all. I don't think that the number actually dwindled, IMO it's more that they are written from a different perspective, in part as sort of a critique of earlier utopias (e.g. _The Shore of Women_). I cannot comment on _The Conquerer's Child_, I haven't yet read it, but I will! Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:33:08 -0600 Reply-To: yarnspinner@townsqr.com Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Marideth Sisco Organization: BWP Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You might check out Diana Rivers' Hadra Series. It's been hard to find this past few years, but she's publishing under her own banner now. Don' have the address at hand, but I can find it if you're interested. Her novels have a separate population of women born under a passing star that left them with powers that protect them but make them outcasts. Titles include: "Daughters of the Great Star" (just re-issued) , "Journey to Zelindar" and "The Hadra." Two new titles are also in the works. They're great reads!. Returning to Lurkerville, MGSisco Petra Mayerhofer wrote: > On 15 Mar 00, Robin Wood wrote: > > What did you all think of _The Conqueror's Son_? I am doing a project on > > single-sexed utopian societies in fiction and it seems they drop off after > > about 1980. Any body read any single-sex or separated sexes utopias or SF > > written since 1980? Thanks. > > Well, I come up with > _A Door into Ocean_ by Joan Slonczewski, published middle of the > eighties, > _The Shore of Women_ by Pamela Sargent (1986) > _The Gate to Women's Country_ by Sheri Tepper (about 1988) > _In the Mother Land_ by Élisabeth Vonarburg (1992) > _Ammonite_ by Nicola Griffith (1992 or so) > _The Y Chromosome_ by Leona Gom (1990) > > Also perhaps _Divine Endurance_ by Gwyneth Jones (1984) (I'm > not sure as I have not read it). > > That are probably not all. I don't think that the number actually > dwindled, IMO it's more that they are written from a different > perspective, in part as sort of a critique of earlier utopias (e.g. _The > Shore of Women_). > > I cannot comment on _The Conquerer's Child_, I haven't yet read it, > but I will! > > Petra > > Petra Mayerhofer > mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de > -- > BDG website > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:21:25 GMT Reply-To: lesleyah@primex.co.uk Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Lesley Hall Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 What about B J Salterberg's The Outlander: Captivity (1989)? (and there are allegedly 2 sequals which I've never come across - does anyone know if these, mentioned on the cover copy, ever appeared?) It's not entirely a utopia - a beleagured but independent group of women who preserve their society against the warlike male cultures outside. The society is not entirely single-sex but the women are dominant. Lesley Hall lesleyah@primex.co.uk homepage: http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:36:02 -0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jane Fletcher Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Robin I hesitate to mention my own novel 'The World Celaeno Chose' published Oct '99. It is science fiction and it is a women-only world, however I fear that it does not have sufficient literary merit to be of interest to anyone writing a serious thesis. I wrote it purely as a lesbian romance, using science fiction conventions to avoid writing about things that don^Òt particularly get my imagination going; i.e. heterosexuals and men (though I^Ò d like to add that I get on well with both groups in the real world). The only thing that might be of interest to you is that it isn^Òt a utopia ^Ö I^Òm feminist enough to believe that women can to anything as well as men, and that includes making a balls-up of life. I was hoping to be the first lesbian to suggest, in a fictional context, that a women-only world might be less than perfect, but I suspect someone else will have got there before me. At the moment my book is available only in the UK, but it should get to the US and Australia sometime next month. regards Jane ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:30:58 -0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Lesley Hall Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >I hesitate to mention my own novel 'The World Celaeno Chose' published Oct >'99. It is science fiction and it is a women-only world, Publisher details, etc, please!! Lesley Hall lesleyah@primex.co.uk website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah -----Original Message----- From: Jane Fletcher To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Date: 17 March 2000 18:43 Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] single-sex utopias since 1980 >Robin > however I fear that >it does not have sufficient literary merit to be of interest to anyone >writing a serious thesis. I wrote it purely as a lesbian romance, using >science fiction conventions to avoid writing about things that don^Òt >particularly get my imagination going; i.e. heterosexuals and men (though I ^Ò >d like to add that I get on well with both groups in the real world). > >The only thing that might be of interest to you is that it isn^Òt a utopia ^Ö >I^Òm feminist enough to believe that women can to anything as well as men, >and that includes making a balls-up of life. I was hoping to be the first >lesbian to suggest, in a fictional context, that a women-only world might be >less than perfect, but I suspect someone else will have got there before me. > >At the moment my book is available only in the UK, but it should get to the >US and Australia sometime next month. > >regards >Jane > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:21:49 -0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jane Fletcher Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The World Celaeno Chose Published by the Dimsdale Press ISBN 0 9523625 3 8 Available on the net from amazon.co.uk, or preferably libertas.co.uk who give free postage in the UK and are also nice enough to have a review of the book on their site. Apart from that it's available from any good alternative UK bookshop. regards Jane ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:31:45 -0500 Reply-To: Amy Harlib Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: single-sex utopias since 1980 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Checked it out at Amazon.co.uk---available 4-6 weeks---no plot summary, brief description, nothing. Could you please elaborate a bit more about the main character and the premise of the book? Sounds like it could be right up my alley! Thank you very much. Amy Robin I hesitate to mention my own novel 'The World Celaeno Chose' published Oct '99. It is science fiction and it is a women-only world, however I fear that it does not have sufficient literary merit to be of interest to anyone writing a serious thesis. I wrote it purely as a lesbian romance, using science fiction conventions to avoid writing about things that don't particularly get my imagination going; i.e. heterosexuals and men (though I' d like to add that I get on well with both groups in the real world). The only thing that might be of interest to you is that it isn't a utopia - I'm feminist enough to believe that women can to anything as well as men, and that includes making a balls-up of life. I was hoping to be the first lesbian to suggest, in a fictional context, that a women-only world might be less than perfect, but I suspect someone else will have got there before me. At the moment my book is available only in the UK, but it should get to the US and Australia sometime next month. regards Jane