From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Thu Jul 12 20:20:56 2001 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:39:58 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0008D" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:03:46 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Roxanne Korpal Subject: Re: Witchblade and Mecedes Lackey Comments: To: Rudy Leon In-Reply-To: <39A1AF4F.32278.16F4231@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've never read the Mercedes Lackey books you're referring to, but I am an avid fan of the art work and plot lines running in the Witchblade comics. I'm also eagerly awaiting August 27th so I can see the television movie premiere.. though from my understanding, a series is not guaranteed yet. The pilot/mini-movie (which covers the first 8 comics I belive) is a test to see if the series would be welcome or popular. I'm not quite sure how the plot will run in the movie (nor would I want to until I've seen the movie) but I know that in the comic, the Witchblade is indeed sentient and has a will of its own. Much of the plot in the comic books were based on displaying/analyzing the union of Sarah Pezzini's will/intelligence/mind with the witchblade's. I don't want to give any more away, but the movie should prove very interesting. I'll pay attention to this thread if anyone posts a description of the Lackey books. > leather bikinis, drawn, um, larger than life, yeah that's the > euphemism.... I rather think it is the proper euphemism. Some of the artists in certain issues aren't as bad as the original artists, but they are all designed predominantly for pre-teen and teen boys in appearance. (I would probably argue that the story/plot could appeal to girls with the strong woman role-model/saviour.) > Does anyone else see this? Does anyone know the answer? > Should someone be letting Misty know that TNT is making bucks > off her concept? Unless, of course, its vice versa.... The comic has been running for a few years, and I'd think any story-infringing would have been dealt with already. Witchblade is very much tied to another comic "The Darkness", and the stories intertwine as well as the plots. (The Witchblade, The Darkness, and The Angelus are the integral sections of a tri-**** of power {forgive me I forget the proper word}) Anyways, Enjoy! *resists urge to go into rant/lecture/debate mode on storylines, plots, and copyright-related issues* Roxy http://www.its.ilstu.edu/rmkorpa > Happy Monday! > Rudy > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:07:39 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Robin Reid Subject: Re: Witchblade and Mecedes Lackey In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I know the Lackey books well -- in fact, for my summer reading just reread all fifteen or so ones I have set in the Valdemar/Rethwellan/Karse/Tayledras cultures. The sword mentioned here is "Need," first found by Kethry (in the OATHBLOOD OATHBOUND novels), then handed on to her granddaughter Kerowyn (in the BY THE SWORD novel), eventually handed on to Elspeth by Kerowyn in the WINDS trilogy, then given to the Changechild (oops I've forgotten her name, sorry) in that same trilogy. Need is a sword that is sentient: was a blade created by a Mage who then killed herself with it while wreaking a spell to send her soul into the blade when her community was massacred. Need grants protection from magic to a trained warrior, gives a Mage (who in the premise of Lackey's novels) cannot find time to train in military as well as magical arts, and grants both swordsmanship and protection from magic to an untrained girl, but the sword is only for use by women to protect women (though that changes a bit over time as the situations and the sword changes). Let me see, it eventually ends up in the hands of a gay Mage (Firesong?) in the later novels (sorry, am losing track of titles, but there are a LOT of titles) (explained as his balance of "masculinity" and "feminity" making him the best caretaker in that situation) and protects him in a major Magestorm conflagration, but then is "destroyed." Need can also Heal women -- and part of the cost of carrying it in the early novels is that the bearer must go to help women in need. I don't know the comics at all, but I do know (as possibly others do) that "plots" cannot be copyrighted. The plot similarities, characters, etc. have to be pretty darn close before any reasonable claim can be made -- and it's an issue for courts. The idea of a sentient sword isn't that unique to fantasy.....Lackey's feminist twist may be a bit more specific, but it sounds from earlier postings that the sword/human relationship is a bit more key to the plot than in Lackeys' novels, although the sword does play different roles with different bearers. Robin ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:12:13 CDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Ana Ng Subject: Re: Witchblade and Mecedes Lackey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Roxanne Korpal >The comic has been running for a few years, and I'd think any >story-infringing would have been dealt with already. Witchblade is very >much tied to another comic "The Darkness", and the stories intertwine as >well as the plots. (The Witchblade, The Darkness, and The Angelus are >the integral sections of a tri-**** of power {forgive me I forget the >proper word}) Triumverate, I believe. Hi. I'm Ana, and I'm new to the list. Is it ALWAYS this quiet, or just largely composed of students who are busy with classes just now? Also, do new listers usually break out the "hi-this-is-me" soft-shoe routine, or just lurk and pounce at odd moments? And finally, is there an accessible FAQ? Thank you, thank you. All donations to the artist appreciated; just throw folded bills in the hat by my feet. Ana Ng "Either Southerners will start improving themselves, or they'll be sold to middle-class Asians as pets." - The Onion ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:02:31 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Roxanne Korpal Subject: Re: Witchblade and Mecedes Lackey In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think I'm more the Lurk, then POUNCE type. =) Though I'd feel honored to introduce myself. Roxy http://www.its.ilstu.edu/rmkorpa On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Ana Ng wrote: > >From: Roxanne Korpal > >the integral sections of a tri-**** of power {forgive me I forget the > >proper word}) > > Triumverate, I believe. > Hi. I'm Ana, and I'm new to the list. Is it ALWAYS this quiet, or just > largely composed of students who are busy with classes just now? > > Also, do new listers usually break out the "hi-this-is-me" soft-shoe > routine, or just lurk and pounce at odd moments? And finally, is there an > accessible FAQ? > Ana Ng ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:59:27 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Chris Shaffer Subject: Re: Witchblade and Mecedes Lackey In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Hi. I'm Ana, and I'm new to the list. Is it ALWAYS this quiet, or just >largely composed of students who are busy with classes just now? It varies, sometimes it is busy, other times quiet. I don't think there are all that many students on the list, but there are certainly a lot of academics. >Also, do new listers usually break out the "hi-this-is-me" soft-shoe >routine, or just lurk and pounce at odd moments? And finally, is there an >accessible FAQ? The FAQ can be found at http://www.exo.net/~lauraq/femsf/listserv/ - note that FEMINISTSF is an unmoderated list with generally more discussion - that's the place to post 'hi, I'm new' messages. There has been several very active discussions on that list recently. The FEMINISTSF-LIT list is semi-moderated by Laura Quilter and friends and is intended for discussions of literature (however you define that term) only. ----- Religion: culturally mediated interaction with culturally postulated superhuman entities. Chris Shaffer http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ chris@bsinc.net AIM:ChrisShaff ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:41:06 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Pamela Bedore Subject: Constance Ash Collection In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000822100116.0096d3f0@etsuodt.tamu-commerce.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Folks, I'm not sure what our reading group schedule is, but I've recently purchased the anthology *Not of Woman Born*, which I believe is a BDG reading. It includes some fabulous stories. Anyone interested in discussing? So far I really like "Judith's Flowers" by Susan Palwick. Please let me know if this is the wrong time to discuss. Hope everyone's having a great summer! pam pamela bedore department of english university of rochester ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:59:30 -0400 Reply-To: Amy Harlib Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Amy Harlib Subject: Am I still subscribed? I want to be. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Amy Harlib aharlib@worldnet.att.net Haven't seen any e-mails from this group for a long time. Wasn't there supposed to be a discussion of the short story anthology Not of Woman Born going on? Was I unsubscribed by mistake? If so, please sign me up again. Thank you very much! Amy ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:23:47 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Janice E. Dawley" Subject: BDG: Not of Woman Born Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In answer to Pamela's question, this month is indeed the right one to discuss Constance Ash's *Not of Woman Born*. I've been forging through this collection in the last week and have to say that overall I am not happy with it. Many stories hinge on simplistic either/or decisions, characters are in general unconvincing, and there is nary an original idea about reproduction to be found. I haven't found anything feminist about the collection, either. Silverberg's story about the clones who unanimously decide to poison their mother made me feel ill. I have mildly liked a couple of stories so far: Nina Kiriki Hoffman's "One Day at Central Convenience Mall" was freshly conceived, though the ending was a little weak; and Debra Doyle and James D. Macdonald's "Remailer" was interesting in its clipped, invented slang (though I have encountered its central plot device, the stabilizing third sex, in about four places by now). I have just gotten to "Of Bitches Born", though, so there is still a way to go. What did you like about "Judith's Flowers", Pamela? How did the rest of the collection strike you? What do other people think? ----- Janice E. Dawley.....Burlington, VT http://homepages.together.net/~jdawley/ Listening to: Massive Attack -- Blue Lines "...the public and the private worlds are inseparably connected; the tyrannies and servilities of the one are the tyrannies and servilities of the other." Virginia Woolf, Three Guineas ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:14:43 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Misha Bernard Subject: FSFFU: ICFA in 2001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi I just wanted to ask a question about the next ICFA. Does anyone have information about it, other than the dates (21st-25th of March)? I'm a grad student, and the sooner I put in a request for travel money, the better a chance to get it, so I was wondering if anyone could tell me how registration, etc works and when this process might be started (or whom I could write for assurances that it will happen for my grad student travel fund). thanks in advance for any and all information! misha Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University ------------------------- -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:55:37 -0600 Reply-To: rudileon@earthlink.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Rudy Leon Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] Lathe of Heaven Comments: To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU In-Reply-To: <200008252217.PAA83896@idiom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello all! I'm not sure if this is national, but PBS in Denver is showing _The Lathe of Heaven_ on Saturday Sept. 2, 8:00 mountain time. As far as I know, this is their first airing of it since its re-release last Spring. I'm thrilled, because I thought I was never going to get to see it! Rudy ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems.