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From:         Roxanne Korpal <rmkorpa@ILSTU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Witchblade and Mecedes Lackey
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I've never read the Mercedes Lackey books you're referring to, but I am
an avid fan of the art work and plot lines running in the Witchblade
comics. I'm also eagerly awaiting August 27th so I can see the
television movie premiere.. though from my understanding, a series is
not guaranteed yet. The pilot/mini-movie (which covers the first 8
comics I belive) is a test to see if the series would be welcome or
popular.

I'm not quite sure how the plot will run in the movie (nor would I want
to until I've seen the movie) but I know that in the comic, the
Witchblade is indeed sentient and has a will of its own. Much of the
plot in the comic books were based on displaying/analyzing the union of
Sarah Pezzini's will/intelligence/mind with the witchblade's. I don't
want to give any more away, but the movie should prove very interesting.
I'll pay attention to this thread if anyone posts a description of the
Lackey books.

> leather bikinis, drawn, um, larger than life, yeah that's the
> euphemism....

I rather think it is the proper euphemism. Some of the artists in
certain issues aren't as bad as the original artists, but they are all
designed predominantly for pre-teen and teen boys in appearance.
(I would probably argue that the story/plot could appeal to girls
with  the strong woman role-model/saviour.)

> Does anyone else see this?  Does anyone know the answer?
> Should someone be letting Misty know that TNT is making bucks
> off her concept? Unless, of course, its vice versa....

The comic has been running for a few years, and I'd think any
story-infringing would have been dealt with already. Witchblade is very
much tied to another comic "The Darkness", and the stories intertwine as
well as the plots. (The Witchblade, The Darkness, and The Angelus are
the integral sections of a tri-**** of power {forgive me I forget the
proper word})

Anyways, Enjoy!
*resists urge to go into rant/lecture/debate mode on storylines, plots,
and copyright-related issues*

Roxy
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Date:         Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:07:39 -0500
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From:         Robin Reid <Robin_Reid@TAMU-COMMERCE.EDU>
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I know the Lackey books well -- in fact, for my summer reading just reread
all fifteen or so ones I have set in the
Valdemar/Rethwellan/Karse/Tayledras cultures.

The sword mentioned here is "Need," first found by Kethry (in the OATHBLOOD
OATHBOUND novels), then handed on to her granddaughter Kerowyn (in the BY
THE SWORD novel), eventually handed on to Elspeth by Kerowyn in the WINDS
trilogy, then given to the Changechild (oops I've forgotten her name,
sorry) in that same trilogy.  Need is a sword that is sentient:  was a
blade created by a Mage who then killed herself with it while wreaking a
spell to send her soul into the blade when her community was
massacred.  Need grants protection from magic to a trained warrior, gives a
Mage (who in the premise of Lackey's novels) cannot find time to train in
military as well as magical arts, and grants both swordsmanship and
protection from magic to an untrained girl, but the sword is only for use
by women to protect women (though that changes a bit over time as the
situations and the sword changes).  Let me see, it eventually ends up in
the hands of a gay Mage (Firesong?) in the later novels (sorry, am losing
track of titles, but there are a LOT of titles) (explained as his balance
of "masculinity" and "feminity" making him the best caretaker in that
situation) and protects him in a major Magestorm conflagration, but then is
"destroyed."  Need can also Heal women -- and part of the cost of carrying
it in the early novels is that the bearer must go to help women in need.

I don't know the comics at all, but I do know (as possibly others do) that
"plots" cannot be copyrighted.  The plot similarities, characters, etc.
have to be pretty darn close before any reasonable claim can be made -- and
it's an issue for courts.  The idea of a sentient sword isn't that unique
to fantasy.....Lackey's feminist twist may be a bit more specific, but it
sounds from earlier postings that the sword/human relationship is a bit
more key to the plot than in Lackeys' novels, although the sword does play
different roles with different bearers.

Robin

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>From: Roxanne Korpal <rmkorpa@ILSTU.EDU>
>The comic has been running for a few years, and I'd think any
>story-infringing would have been dealt with already. Witchblade is very
>much tied to another comic "The Darkness", and the stories intertwine as
>well as the plots. (The Witchblade, The Darkness, and The Angelus are
>the integral sections of a tri-**** of power {forgive me I forget the
>proper word})

Triumverate, I believe.

Hi. I'm Ana, and I'm new to the list. Is it ALWAYS this quiet, or just
largely composed of students who are busy with classes just now?

Also, do new listers usually break out the "hi-this-is-me" soft-shoe
routine, or just lurk and pounce at odd moments?  And finally, is there an
accessible FAQ?

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I think I'm more the Lurk, then POUNCE type. =) Though I'd feel honored
to introduce myself.

Roxy
http://www.its.ilstu.edu/rmkorpa

On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Ana Ng wrote:
> >From: Roxanne Korpal <rmkorpa@ILSTU.EDU>
> >the integral sections of a tri-**** of power {forgive me I forget the
> >proper word})
>
> Triumverate, I believe.
> Hi. I'm Ana, and I'm new to the list. Is it ALWAYS this quiet, or just
> largely composed of students who are busy with classes just now?
>
> Also, do new listers usually break out the "hi-this-is-me" soft-shoe
> routine, or just lurk and pounce at odd moments?  And finally, is there an
> accessible FAQ?

> Ana Ng

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Date:         Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:59:27 -0500
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>Hi. I'm Ana, and I'm new to the list. Is it ALWAYS this quiet, or just
>largely composed of students who are busy with classes just now?

It varies, sometimes it is busy, other times quiet.  I don't think there
are all that many students on the list, but there are certainly a lot of
academics.

>Also, do new listers usually break out the "hi-this-is-me" soft-shoe
>routine, or just lurk and pounce at odd moments?  And finally, is there an
>accessible FAQ?

The FAQ can be found at http://www.exo.net/~lauraq/femsf/listserv/ - note
that FEMINISTSF is an unmoderated list with generally more discussion -
that's the place to post 'hi, I'm new' messages.  There has been several
very active discussions on that list recently.  The FEMINISTSF-LIT list is
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of literature (however you define that term) only.

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Date:         Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:41:06 -0400
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From:         Pamela Bedore <bedr@MAIL.ROCHESTER.EDU>
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Hello Folks,

I'm not sure what our reading group schedule is, but I've recently
purchased the anthology *Not of Woman Born*, which I believe is a BDG
reading.

It includes some fabulous stories.  Anyone interested in discussing?  So
far I really like "Judith's Flowers" by Susan Palwick.  Please let me know
if this is the wrong time to discuss.

Hope everyone's having a great summer!

pam

pamela bedore
department of english
university of rochester

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Amy Harlib
aharlib@worldnet.att.net    Haven't seen any e-mails from this group for a
long time.  Wasn't there supposed to be a discussion of the short story
anthology Not of Woman Born going on?  Was I unsubscribed by mistake?  If
so, please sign me up again.   Thank you very much!     Amy

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Date:         Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:23:47 -0400
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In answer to Pamela's question, this month is indeed the right one to
discuss Constance Ash's *Not of Woman Born*.

I've been forging through this collection in the last week and have to say
that overall I am not happy with it. Many stories hinge on simplistic
either/or decisions, characters are in general unconvincing, and there is
nary an original idea about reproduction to be found. I haven't found
anything feminist about the collection, either. Silverberg's story about
the clones who unanimously decide to poison their mother made me feel ill.

I have mildly liked a couple of stories so far: Nina Kiriki Hoffman's "One
Day at Central Convenience Mall" was freshly conceived, though the ending
was a little weak; and Debra Doyle and James D. Macdonald's "Remailer" was
interesting in its clipped, invented slang (though I have encountered its
central plot device, the stabilizing third sex, in about four places by
now). I have just gotten to "Of Bitches Born", though, so there is still a
way to go.

What did you like about "Judith's Flowers", Pamela? How did the rest of the
collection strike you? What do other people think?

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Hi
        I just wanted to ask a question about the next ICFA.  Does anyone
have information about it, other than the dates (21st-25th of March)?  I'm
a grad student, and the sooner I put in a request for travel money, the
better a chance to get it, so I was wondering if anyone could tell me how
registration, etc works and when this process might be started (or whom I
could write for assurances that it will happen for my grad student travel
fund).
thanks in advance for any and all information!

misha


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Date:         Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:55:37 -0600
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Hello all!  I'm not sure if this is national, but PBS in Denver is
showing _The Lathe of Heaven_ on Saturday Sept. 2, 8:00
mountain time.  As far as I know, this is their first airing of it since
its re-release last Spring.  I'm thrilled, because I thought I was
never going to get to see it!


Rudy

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