From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Thu Jul 12 20:26:07 2001 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:39:58 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0009A" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:58:16 -0800 Reply-To: shander@cdsnet.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sharon Anderson Subject: Re: Promised One MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does Buffy the Vampire Slayer count? How about Xena, Warrior Princess? And what about that new one, Witchblade? I realize that none of these are print media, but do they count? ---s ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 08:29:18 EDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Phoebe Wray Subject: Re: Promised One MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about Elizabeth's Moon's Waking the Moon? Ancient Chaos goddess realized in a contemporary archaelogist? And, yes, I'd say Witchblade counts, since the power has to find a *promised one* to establish itself. best, phoebe W ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:43:30 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG SINGER FROM THE SEA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This month the BDG book is _Singer from the Sea_ by Sheri Tepper. Some list members have already started the discussion on the parallel list. I forward these messages below. Petra ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:42:00 -0700 Send reply to: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: [*FSFFU*] SINGER FROM THE SEA To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU I liked this a lot, although since I'm already on to the next Tepper (THE FRESCO, due in December) I confess it's not as clear in my head as it might be. A lot of familiar Tepper themes (women and the environment saving the planet from men and war and stupidity). I liked the underground culture a lot. Hope this sparks some discussion! Maryelizabeth -- --- Maryelizabeth Hart Publicity Manager ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* Date sent: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:11:11 -0400 Send reply to: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Dianne Kraft <103234.3341@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: [*FSFFU*] SINGER FROM THE SEA To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Hi everyone, delurking to talk about Tepper -- I liked "Singer ...", but one problem I had with it was that so many generations of women on the planet had just given in and let stuff happen to them. And it''s justified by saying that their ancestors had given up their rights and freedom in order to live "decently" on that planet. Is that realistic? Is that what happened here? Dianne Kraft Date sent: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:43:51 -0400 Send reply to: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Lydia Lynsdaughter Subject: [*FSFFU*] Singer from the Sea To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU I enjoyed Singer from the Sea except that sometimes the main character drove me just about crazy. In some ways, she was such a diz-brain! When she was traveling in 'commonfolk' disguise, she kept putting her foot in her mouth (and putting everyone in danger) with remarks about having had dinner with the countess or repeating something that a duke had said to her. When they took her to spy on the 'ritual', they warned her not to make any noise as she would be putting them ALL in danger, and through the whole thing, she struggled and tried to make noise! I kept wanted to scream, 'Get it together, chickie!' I just found those parts really annoying. Lydia Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:20:04 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Misha Bernard Subject: FSFFU-lit: scientific basis of SF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, two questions Does anyone know of any geneticists who also write SF? Or any writer who specifically identifies a scientific article or theory as their starting point for a short story or book OTHER than Melissa Scott's use of Anne Fausto-Sterling's article "The Five Sexes" in the April/May 1993 The Sciences as the originary point of _Shadow Man_? thanks misha Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University ------------------------- -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:25:38 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: Promised One MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's Elizabeth HAND! And It's a good one! Amy > How about Elizabeth's Moon's Waking the Moon? Ancient Chaos goddess realized > in a contemporary archaelogist? And, yes, I'd say Witchblade counts, since > the power has to find a *promised one* to establish itself. > > best, > phoebe W > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:32:24 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: BG: Singer from the Sea Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, Lydia, I thought this was interesting as Tepper presented her as someone who'd assimilated a fair amount of social conditioning and was also somewhat a creature of impulse. Making her struggle to overcome some of her own flaws part of the struggle, instead of just having her struggle against outside forces. FWIW, Maryelizabeth Lydia Lynsdaughter wrote: > I enjoyed Singer from the Sea except that sometimes the main character drove me just about crazy. In some ways, she was such a diz-brain! > > When she was traveling in 'commonfolk' disguise, she kept putting her foot in her mouth (and putting everyone in danger) with remarks about having had dinner with the countess or repeating something that a duke had said to her. > > When they took her to spy on the 'ritual', they warned her not to make any noise as she would be putting them ALL in danger, and through the whole thing, she struggled and tried to make noise! > > I kept wanted to scream, 'Get it together, chickie!' I just found those parts really annoying. > > Lydia > -- --- Maryelizabeth Hart Publicity Manager ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:45:33 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: The Promised One The Wild Angel Book Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK folks---I just read this one and although the protagonist is not a prophesied or chosen one, she is definitely a strong and heroic character. This review will be posted at a forthcoming SF Site, rambles.net, scifinow.com and Blue Iris Journal review website (I review for all these regularly), but you are reading it first! Thanks for letting me share. Amy aharlib@worldnet.att.net The Wild Angel by Pat Murphy (Tor Books, NY, Aug. 2000, $23.95, hardcover, ISBN#: 0-312-86626-7). Pat Murphy's latest novel The Wild Angel, (also credited as by Mary Maxwell by Max Meriwell in a playful authorial pseudonymous experiment), is the second in a trio of tales paying homage to great classics of imaginative fiction. The first, 'There and Back Again', was a loving pastiche of Tolkien's The Hobbit re-worked as a space opera. This one is faithful to the spirit of Edgar Rice Burrough's Tarzan tales and Rudyard Kipling's Jungle Book Mowgli stories with a hefty nod to Mark Twain who is quoted in every epigraph for each chapter. The resulting yarn, a delightful cross-genre mix with elements of mystery, western and fantasy/adventure infused with a feminist sensibility, is also a wolf-girl saga that nicely complements the entirely independent Nadya: The Wolf Chronicles (1996). In Gold Rush California (1850), hopeful settlers Rachel and William McKenzie have their dreams cut short when they are murdered by the ruthless robber Jasper Davis in their camp not far from the boomtown of Selby. Their 3 year old daughter Sarah, by hiding in a cave, avoids death, finding her survival depends upon the wolf pack led by the she-wolf Wauna that adopts her. Like her special wolf-companion Beka, one of Wauna's offspring, Sarah grows wild, strong, healthy and wary of humans for many years until a chance encounter and resulting friendship with Malila, a young Miwok Indian woman and shaman who shows her that not all people are to be feared. Meanwhile, evidence of the crime is discovered by writer/artist Max Philips, but the perpetrator remains unknown. Max, loving to camp and sketch in this wilderness area, as the years pass, occassionally glimpses Sarah, who is becoming known as the Wild Angel for her beauty, spectacular red hair and kindness to distressed travelers. Gradually Max gains Sarah's trust and friendship for he has been haunted by her ever since the day he discovered her parent's bodies but couldn't find their little girl. He also keeps this odd friend of his secret, fearing that the murderer of Sarah's parents is still nearby which indeed he is, for Jasper Davis has been buying respectability with the proceeds of his crimes, but never forgetting that Sarah witnessed his foul deed. In the outlandish tradition of the pulpy adventure novels on which this book draws inspiration, Sarah eventually joins a circus, meets her long-lost aunt from back east and confronts Jasper Davis in a predictable but undeniably exciting and suspenseful climax. Pat Murphy's crisp, concise prose style and authorial skill in assembling the elements of her mythical novel evokes such an appropriate atmosphere that suspension of disbelief comes effortlessly and the swift-paced narrative sucks the reader right in. The Wild Angel also features vivid depictions of Gold Rush California that ring true and contains graphic descriptions of the 'nature red in tooth and claw' struggle for survival that is life in a pack of wolves as well as of the loving companionship of which these noble animals are capable. A thoughtful subtext contrasting the wilderness and Native American lifestyles in balance with the forces of nature with the exploitation of and damage to the land caused by the Anglo-Americam settlers and miners adds depth to the story without preachiness--not spoiling the sheer fun of this yarn with its lovable protagonists and compelling, fanciful and ultimately heartwarming plot. In the Afterword, Murphy discusses how the layers of pseudonyms influenced her writing and how they will help to tie together 'There and Back Again', this book, and the next one. Meanwhile, allow Sarah, the Wild Angel---a woman who truly runs with the wolves in every sense of those words, to run away with your heart and have a ripsnorting romp of a read while doing so! ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:53:05 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Amy Harlib Subject: Another heroic female 'chosen one'. Wheel of the Infinite Book Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a review from the July SF Site also posted at rambles.net, and sflare.com. I think the character of Maskelle described in the review fits the bill and although she has allies/friends that help her, she is defintely the center of the action. Amy -- Amy Harlib aharlib@worldnet.att.net Wheel of the Infinite by Martha Wells, (EOS/HarperCollins, NY, July 2000, hardcover, $24.00, ISBN#: 0-380-97335-9). Martha Wells is that rarity, amidst the glut of endlessly repetitive fantasy series and re-cycled cliches---she is a writer whose every book so far stands alone and features new and different settings, characters, ideas, etc. Now, in her fourth novel of fantastic fiction, Wells succeeds yet again in producing a wholly original, brilliant conception sure to cement her reputation as one of the finest writers in the field deserving to rank alongside such masters as Guy Gavriel Kay, Gene Wolfe, Jack Vance, Tim Powers and Tanith Lee. The Wheel of the Infinite distinguishes itself immediately with its setting, an invented parallel world strongly reminiscent of South East Asia and even more specifically, the glorious civilization of Cambodia in the 12th and 13th century AD and its cities of Angkor Thom and Angkor Wat though there are whiffs of inspiration from Tibet and India as well. Duvalpore, the Celestial Empire's city of temples, is the site where every year, the wizardly Voices of the Ancestors must gather to renew the wheel of the Infinite, an image built of sand, (empowered with magical chants, visualizations and incense), that represents the key to the shape of reality. An especially important centenary version of this rite is approaching but an inexplicable, ominous, stormy black region has marred the Wheel's representation and all the sorcerous efforts of the Voices have failed to restore it to purity so far. If the blight is not excised before the Rite is completed, the world could be totally, undesirably changed. The Voice of the Adversary, Maskelle, who speaks for the power the Ancestors created to wipe out evil, has wandered in exile since a false vision years ago. But now the head of the Koshan Order of priests, the Celestial One, has called her back to the capital city of Duvalpore to make use of her unique, uncanny gifts. Maskelle returns to Duvalpore with the friends and allies she acquired in the wider world---Rastim's troupe of actors and the attractive, foreign swordsman/bodyguard Rian. >From her dreams of an eerie, inhuman city abandoned in the midst of devastation and other clues, Maskelle learns that the Voices have mysterious, magical opponents who have created a Wheel of their own in order to alter reality to benefit themselves; the Celestial Emperor himself has been duped by confederates of the invaders; and the Adversary itself might not be entirely sane. Maskelle and her companions cum allies, in their battle against the strange insurgents from another world, encounter murderous water spirits, possessed corpses, cursed puppets, murdered priests, magical assassins and the scheming court favorite Lady Marada, Wells wordsmithing skills making these odd ingredients blend together into an enthralling narrative. Marvelously inventive, swift-paced, witty, exciting, Well's latest fantasy is a testimony to her talent as a writer, for Wheel of the Infinite is not only about saving the world; it is also about saving Maskelle from self-doubt and isolation. The richly conceived Celestial Empire's plight is made all the more dramatic by the well-rounded, fully dimensional characters' sarcastic, reasonable conversations, and by their very human responses to inhuman perils. Maskelle, Rian, Rastim and company, the Celestial One, even Raith, the ambivalent Emperor are all such colorful, memorable protagonists that one longs for a whole series of sequels in order to visit again with them and their world of wondrously exotic, intricate backgrounds, dazzling magical manifestations, and truly original plot devices that add up to a tour de force of the imagination and a pleasurable fantastic fiction reading experience rarely matched! ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:25:29 EDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Phoebe Wray Subject: Re: Promised One MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/5/00 5:42:42 PM, aharlib@WORLDNET.ATT.NET writes: << That's Elizabeth HAND! And It's a good one! Amy >> Duh. Thanks for the correction. phoebe w ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:15:53 PDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Alex Wells Subject: Re: chosen one Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi y'all, I'm going to de-lurk to suggest another "sort of" candidate for chosen one: how about Marghe in Nicola Griffith's Ammonite? She ends up fulfilling all of the prophecies of a tribe that is expecting a goddess of death to return to them. It's not the main point of the book, or is it? ;) I'd have to read it again and think about it. Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:43:21 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: sharon sahilu Subject: Re: Promised One/THANKS! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank You for that correction: I'm a real Elizabeth Moon fan and was going what? what? When? Where? Speaking of Moon, does anybody else relate to the scene in Remnant Population where the protagonist rediscovers clothing? Viewing her scarves, necklaces, etc against her aging body?...It truly evokes a sense of personal freedom - possibly eccentric- that I don't really wish to classify. ------Original Message------ From: Amy Harlib To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Sent: September 4, 2000 3:25:38 PM GMT Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] Promised One That's Elizabeth HAND! And It's a good one! Amy > How about Elizabeth's Moon's Waking the Moon? Ancient Chaos goddess realized > in a contemporary archaelogist? And, yes, I'd say Witchblade counts, since > the power has to find a *promised one* to establish itself. > > best, > phoebe W > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:55:24 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: Re: FSFFU-lit: scientific basis of SF In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On 5 Sep 00, Misha Bernard wrote: > Does anyone know of any geneticists who also write SF? > Or any writer who specifically identifies a scientific article or > theory as their starting point for a short story or book OTHER than > Melissa Scott's use of Anne Fausto-Sterling's article "The Five Sexes" in > the April/May 1993 The Sciences as the originary point of _Shadow Man_? What about _Darwin's Radio_ by Greg Bear? It's not based on a single paper or so but as I understood it the book is based on the present state of research in genetics. A major breakthrough is expected in the next 5 years and he mapped one (extreme) possibility. I believe Bear has a background in science. I would not call the book feminist but I remember how surprised I was how many female scientists were shown, in a sympathetic way as highly competent and as fully developed characters. Even more, as scientists and women who interacted with and supported each other (mostly). The 'virus' Bear invented has some rather unusual effects and together with the presentation of the 2 male protagonists it impressed me as peculiar, especially for a male writer. But in none of the reviews I've read of the book (and I've read some) these aspects were mentioned so I begin to doubt my point of view. Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:29:43 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Roxanne Korpal Subject: Re: FSFFU-lit: scientific basis of SF In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tara K. Harper is a science fiction author and she used many genetics related ideas in her Risthmus books and her Wolfwalker books. Try emailing the gal herself. She's really nice and will reply (eventually). Roxanne http://www.ilstu.edu/~rmkorpa On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Misha Bernard wrote: > Hi all, two questions > Does anyone know of any geneticists who also write SF? > Or any writer who specifically identifies a scientific article or > theory as their starting point for a short story or book OTHER than > Melissa Scott's use of Anne Fausto-Sterling's article "The Five Sexes" in > the April/May 1993 The Sciences as the originary point of _Shadow Man_? > thanks > misha > > > Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student > mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University > > ------------------------- > > -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- > Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:37:07 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Roxanne Korpal Subject: Re: FSFFU-lit: scientific basis of SF In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Also I guess I should add her webpage and email address. That could always help. http://www.teleport.com/~until/tkh.htm email: until@teleport.com On her webpage she has a special page devoted to "science notes" for new authors. Last I knew, her "vacation" was spent in a lab with some geneticists or other scientists, playing with cells and dna. happy hunting and good luck Roxanne http://www.its.ilstu.edu/rmkorpa On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Misha Bernard wrote: > Hi all, two questions > Does anyone know of any geneticists who also write SF? > Or any writer who specifically identifies a scientific article or > theory as their starting point for a short story or book OTHER than > Melissa Scott's use of Anne Fausto-Sterling's article "The Five Sexes" in > the April/May 1993 The Sciences as the originary point of _Shadow Man_? > thanks > misha > > > Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student > mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University > > ------------------------- > > -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- > Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:36:39 GMT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Daniel Krashin Subject: Tepper spoiler Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed *****SPOILER WARNING******* I really had a problem with the central premise of this novel. I mean, not only is the story set in a brutally misogynistic society, but at the end it turns out that they are sacrificing nursing women because their blood, when spilled on the sand, yields a drug which makes people immortal. I mean, geez, how farfetched can you get? Maybe Tepper feels this is a great metaphor for the exploitation of women, but for me the whole setup was so patently artificial that it ruined the book. I think it was the combination that put it over the top for me. I could accept the nasty society easily. I probably could have accepted the premise of the immortality drug, too, if that had been the central premise of the book. But the way they were combined, just struck me as crudely propagandistic. Too bad, I'll see what she writes next. Danny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:10:45 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Re: Tepper spoiler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What Tepper is writing next is THE FRESCO. Earth makes contact with aliens, and we get a couple of "facilitators" to help us make any necessary modifications to ease our way into the cosmic alliance. Some great fantasy fulfillment in terms of the aliens and their superior technology "making" people exhibit reasonable behavior over things we've been stupid over for like forever. Maryelizabeth -- --- Maryelizabeth Hart Publicity Manager ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:52:45 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: FW: Atwood in L.A. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For those who haven't already been notified... -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Fischer [mailto:dfischer@LAEDU.LALC.K12.CA.US] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 1:47 AM To: SF-LIT@sun8.loc.gov Subject: Atwood in L.A. SEP 15 - WESTWOOD: Writers Bloc, in conjunction with UCLA Perform- ing Arts, presents acclaimed novelist MARGARET ATWOOD ("Alias Grace," "The Handmaid's Tale"). Ms. Atwood will discuss her new novel, "The Blind Assassin," as well as other topics. Tickets: $25, $20 and $15. 8 p.m. UCLA Royce Hall. FMI: (310) 825-2101. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems.