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I am late getting the vote confirmations out, so
don't be alarmed if it's been over 24 hours since you
sent your votes in and haven't received your confirmation.
I will be caught up with them by this evening.  :o)

We are having visitors from Scotland, and are having too
much fun!!

Thanks for your patience
Terri

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There are three more days to vote for your choices
for BDG selections for the next four months. Voting
ends this Wednesday, Sept. 27th, at midnight EST.

The votes are really spread out so far, with no clear cut winners.
If you have favorites among the nominations, be sure
and send me your votes! One vote could make a difference.

Thanks for a great turnout!!
Terri



Here are instructions for voting;

Please send your votes to me at
        <terriergraphics@cybertours.com>
Not to the list!

Vote for the *FOUR* books of your choice. I will be accepting
votes from now until Wednesday, Sept. 27th at midnight EST. Winners
will be posted by Friday Sept. 29th.

After you have sent your *FOUR* (4) votes you should receive a
confirmation from me within 24 hours. If not, please repost or
contact me. I want to make sure everyones' votes are received and
counted.   :o)

Thanks
Terri Wakefield

The comments of the reviewers can be looked up at
http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0900.htm

--
Angela Carter: Nights at the Circus. List Price: $12.95, Paperback -
294 pages (January 1993), Viking Pr; ISBN:  0140077030

Suzy McKee Charnas: The Conqueror's Child (The Holdfast
Chronicles, Book 4). List Price: $14.95, Paperback - 432 pages
(August 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312869460

Charles de Lint: Jack of Kinrowan. List Price: $14.95, Paperback -
384 pages (June 1999), Tor Books, ISBN: 0312869592 (5.5" x
8.25" size)

James Alan Gardner: Commitment Hour. List Price: $5.99,
Publisher: Avon Books, Mass Market Paperback - 343 pages (April
1998), ISBN: 0380798271

Mary Gentle: A Secret History : The Book of Ash 1. US, List Price:
£6.99, Mass Market Paperback - 424 pages (October 5, 1999),
Eos (Mass Market); ISBN: 0380788691 (Ash: A Secret History.
UK, List Price: £14.99, Paperback - 1113 pages (15 June, 2000),
Victor Gollancz Science Fiction; ISBN: 0575069015. (contains
books 1-3!))

Gregory Maguire: Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister. Paperback -
384 pages (October 2000)  Regan Books; ISBN: 0060987529; List
Price: $15.00

Gregory Maguire: Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch
of the West. Douglas Smith (Illustrator), Retail Price: $14.00,
Paperback, 406pp., ISBN: 0060987103, Publisher: HarperCollins
Publishers, Incorporated, Pub. Date: September  1996

Starhawk: The Fifth Sacred Thing.  List Price: $14.95, Paperback
Reprint edition (July 1994), Bantam Doubleday Dell Pub (Trd Pap);
ISBN: 0553373803

Jane Yolen: The Books of Great Alta. List Price: $16.95, 448
pages (April 1997), St. Martin's Press; ISBN: 031286258X

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Subject:      What I just read:          The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip
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Here is a review I wrote of a refreshingly different kind of book.  This
will be posted at these websites for which I review regularly:  SF Site,
scifinow.com, rambles.net, Blue Iris Journal and Emerald City.  I hope this
will be of interest.  Thanks for letting me share.     Amy
aharlib@worldnet.att.net
The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip by George Saunders, Illustrated by Lane
Smith (Villard Books, NY, Aug. 2000, $23.95, hardcover, ISBN#:
0-375-50383-8).
George Saunders, American author of two previous collections of off-beat and
slipstream short stories (CivilWarLand and Pastoralia), now has taken a
somewhat different turn to write a modern fairy tale for 'adults and future
adults' published in the form of a glossy picture book for children of all
ages in which the text and the illustrations are equally important and
perfectly complementary.   Saunder's wry humor, sharp eye, satirical outlook
and idiosyncratic voice are almost perfectly matched by artist Lane Smith's
(The Stinky Cheese Man and James and the Giant Peach among others), stylized
renderings of the characters and surreal backdrops executed in a skillful,
distinctive blend of collage and mixed media---with eerie Daliesque results.
The bizarre imagery and the unconventional storytelling makes this parable
about selfishness, community and economy the perfect antidote to cloying
Disney drivel, for  The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip offers a most
definitely nonsugarcoated glimpse of life.
The story centers around a young girl named Capable who lives in the
three-house town of Frip, overlooking the sea.  For longer than anyone can
remember, our protagonist, her widowed father, and her neighbors the Ronsons
and the Romos, have been besieged by gappers---strange creatures that look
sort of like bright orange baseball-sized burrs with multiple eyes (most
hilariously depicted in Smith's illistrations).  The gappers, for some
inexplicable reason, manifest their love for the goats, whose milk is the
town's entire economy, by attaching themselves to the hapless animals and
then shreiking with joy, which causes the goats to lose sleep and stop
making milk.  Before long, one of the smarter gappers realizes that
Capable's house is cosest to the sea in which they dwell when not bothering
goats and convinces the rest of its ilk to concentrate their efforts solely
there, thus turning Capable's goats into massive, wailing balls of gappers,
while the neighbors' herds are left alone.
The Sisyphean task of brushing away the ceaselessly returning gappers takes
up all of Capable's time.  Her selfish neighbors react to her pleas for help
with the peculiar logic of a trademark Saunders response: "Not that we're
saying we're better than you, necessarily, its just that since gappers are
bad, and since you and you alone have them, it only stands to reason that
you are not, perhaps, quite as good as us.  Not that we hate you!  We don't.
We even sort of like you."  Of course it's only a matter of time and
Capable's cleverness that gradually changes everybody's luck, but things do
conclude as happily as is possible in the morally challenged, circumscribed
world of Frip, for Saunders is much too savvy to bring this fable to a
preachy, edifying ending.
The collaboration between Saunders and and Smith in The Very Persistent
Gappers of Frip is inspired, with Saunders' writing portraying the spooky
and the disturbing as something to embrace rather than fear, his dialog
featuring deadpan repetitions and platitudinous self-excuses that are
uncannily amusing.  Smith adds witty touches throughout, his creepy,
beautiful ilustrations being the ideal complement to the author's themes of
melancholy and hope, ensuring that adults and youngsters alike will find the
pictures appealing and intriguing.  As a refreshing change from the usual
cloying sentimentality of most books aimed at children, Saunders' and
Smith's effort gives kids a taste of the dark humor that awaits them in the
real world and offers adults an entertaining mirror in which to assess their
own jaded cynicism.

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Dear all of ya'll (as they'd say here in the south)

Well, I am clearly behind you all in my reading, as I have been for months,
but I finally finished Tepper.  I have also been thinking about the
Why-so-little-Discussion question and have a few comments.

A propos of the latter, from my own experience of posting on a book,
sometimes putting considerable thought and energy into it, I have found it
really discouraging to often never be responded to.  I think, for example,
of a post I made on _Ring of Swords_ that I was excited about and eager to
engage in discussion, but it didn't seem to spark anyone else's interest.  I
know it's considered a faux pas to write a post that just says, "you're so
right , Susan!" or " I don't know where you came up with that one, Susan!"
But, speaking for myself, it would encourage me to stay tuned and continue
to participate in the discussion. Perhaps we could send this sort of
encouragement to personal emails rather than the whole list, if no one
minded.

It does seem like our most controversial books (i.e. Butler) have inspired
the most participation.  It is easy to write when we have knee jerk
reactions to something, but everyone here is smart enough to do more than
that.  I read _The Dazzle of Day_ very late in the discussion, perhaps even
after the specified month, and it was such a gorgeous book that I wanted to
say something about it and didn't.  I am disappointed in myself that I also
seem to respond best to contoversy and have a harder time expressing myself
when it comes to some quieter, but magnificent, writing!  It's a cliche, but
it seems like a case of getting out of something what you put into it.  The
list, that is.  I am resolving to do my part!  I also think that asking the
nominator to begin the discussion of her book is a good idea. I have
nominated books in the past and would be eager to take that on.

So--Tepper.
I have been reflecting on the irony of how such a good writer can still
produce a book that is (to me) often boring and (to some others, apparently)
formulaic.

When I discovered Tepper about five years ago I read everything I could get
my hands on, starting with the _Grass_.  _Raising the Stones_ is one of my
favorites, partly because of my interest in religion. I also loved
Northshore/ Southshore, which I haven't seen others mention here.  While I
liked _The Gate to Women's Country_, I didn't find it to be as notable as
some make it out to be.  Unfortunately, I haven't yet tracked down the
Marion (?) books which are Robin's favorites.  The latest three, (_Family
Tree_, _Six Moon Dance_, and _Singer..._) have disappointed me.

On the positive side, Tepper's "formula" is usually pretty impressive to me.
Her imagination is powerful and her stories have a momentum that is
engaging. She usually creates some pretty detailed cultures that almost
always have some disturbing, hidden secret that is revealed slowly.  I think
that Tepper is usually very successful in this "mystery" aspect of her
writing. ( I haven't had a chance to read her Orde or Oliphant mysteries).
While the reader knows that something is up and can make some guesses about
what it might be, Tepper manages to keep some complicated surprises up her
sleeve.  In this book, I was still surprised and interested in the
complexity of the lichen, as when we figure out the effect that male blood
has on it. On the other hand, finding out that the "other things" that
Geneveive had been up to in the basement with her mother involved breathing
underwater with gills just didn't seem to jibe with what I knew of her
character/identity.

Others have commented that the characters weren't well-developed and I
agree.  I wasn't as bothered by Geneveive as some were, but I wasn't very
involved with her trials. (Whereas I was with Grass' Marjorie). The
characters were not very interesting or complex in general.  I WAS very
annoyed at the end of the book when G. tries to reassure her husband that
she is ordinary after he can't handle viewing her as powerful and uniquely
different.

Although I'm still having a hard time putting my finger on why this book and
Six Moon Dance,to an even greater degree, bored me, I think it is probably
this question of character development.  While Tepper's culture's and
cultural clashes are fascinating, I ultimately don't care alot about whether
her particular protagonists succeed and survive.  I had this same problem in
_Family Tree_, where the characters seemed to fill stereotypes.  While I am
on board with Tepper's environmental views, I am also largely unmoved by her
writing about them.  And when will she stop using the term "mankind"?!

There is alot to praise about Tepper and I will continue to read her books,
but I hope that she can develop some characters who are as compelling as her
cultures.

BTW:
Amy, I have enjoyed your book reviews, thanks.

I would also just like to tell you all that I have learned so much about
this genre through this list!  When I started writing my dissertation using
LeGuin and Starhawk (which is done, thank you!) how little I knew about all
the great feminist sci-fi out there! Now I know alot more, thanks to you.  I
just read _The Terrorists of Irustan_ by Louise Marley which someone
nominated awhile back, but it wasn't chosen. I liked it, so thanks!  I also
read two of Slonscewski's books and loved them! All of you out
there --someone is interested in your opinions and finds this list
worthwhile!  Lets not let this sense of discouragment over low participation
get us down :o)

Was that terribly long? Ah!

Peace women,
Susan

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>Why-so-little-Discussion question

With "Six Moon" and "Singer" I was feeling a bit baffled, wondering if it's
"just me", so I've been interested by the discussion.

I reluctantly conclude that Tepper may be -- oh, I hope not burning out. Perhaps
trapped in the "book a year" contract/expectation. And even these two had plenty
of enjoyment to offer, but I find I can't really remember them even after two or
three readings, whereas "Grass" and "Raising the Stones" are embedded.

I did enjoy "Family Tree" although with a major reservation or two. It worked a
bit of magic for me, perhaps because it resonated with my other favorite, the
Jinian trilogy (especially "Jinian Footseer").

I find I can return to the earlier work (except "The Revenants", which I have
never been able to fathom) with as much enjoyment as ever, and am  re-reading
the mysteries quite happily at the moment.

I think she peaked with "Grass" and "Stones".

I do hope I'm wrong!

Frances

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From:         Pamela Bedore <bedr@MAIL.ROCHESTER.EDU>
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Hello folks,

I haven't actually read Tepper's most recent science fiction, because I
got a bit turned off 3 or 4 books ago...like many others, I loved several
of her earlier books, but got a bit bored at a certain point.

On the other hand, I continue to enjoy her detective fiction, written
under the names A.E. Orde and B.J.Oliphant.  Each series has a central
character, Jason Lynx and Shirley McClintock, respectively.  Perhaps
because these are series, the character development is relatively complex
and interesting, and I definitely care about the characters even when I
disagree entirely with their politics (esp. in the case of McClintock!).
These books are short (150-250 pages) and maintain the reader's (at least
*this* reader's) interest throughout.

I wonder if Tepper is having more fun with her detective writing these
days....to me at least, those books seem to have more energy.  I'm curious
to know if others are reading the mysteries, and if so, what people think
of them.

On an entirely unrelated note, have others read Robert J. Sawyer?

Cheers,

pamela bedore
department of english
university of rochester


 On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Frances wrote:

> >Why-so-little-Discussion question
>
> With "Six Moon" and "Singer" I was feeling a bit baffled, wondering if it's
> "just me", so I've been interested by the discussion.
>
> I reluctantly conclude that Tepper may be -- oh, I hope not burning out. Perhaps
> trapped in the "book a year" contract/expectation. And even these two had plenty
> of enjoyment to offer, but I find I can't really remember them even after two or
> three readings, whereas "Grass" and "Raising the Stones" are embedded.
>
> I did enjoy "Family Tree" although with a major reservation or two. It worked a
> bit of magic for me, perhaps because it resonated with my other favorite, the
> Jinian trilogy (especially "Jinian Footseer").
>
> I find I can return to the earlier work (except "The Revenants", which I have
> never been able to fathom) with as much enjoyment as ever, and am  re-reading
> the mysteries quite happily at the moment.
>
> I think she peaked with "Grass" and "Stones".
>
> I do hope I'm wrong!
>
> Frances
>
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Hi Everyone

This is the last day for sending in your votes for
the upcoming BDG reads. The votes are still very
spread out, and each vote really can make a difference!

Thanks!!
Terri



Here are instructions for voting;

Please send your votes to me at
        <terriergraphics@cybertours.com>
Not to the list!

Vote for the *FOUR* books of your choice. I will be accepting
votes from now until Wednesday, Sept. 27th at midnight EST. Winners
will be posted by Friday Sept. 29th.

After you have sent your *FOUR* (4) votes you should receive a
confirmation from me within 24 hours. If not, please repost or
contact me. I want to make sure everyones' votes are received and
counted.   :o)

Thanks
Terri Wakefield

The comments of the reviewers can be looked up at
http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0900.htm

--
Angela Carter: Nights at the Circus. List Price: $12.95, Paperback -
294 pages (January 1993), Viking Pr; ISBN:  0140077030

Suzy McKee Charnas: The Conqueror's Child (The Holdfast
Chronicles, Book 4). List Price: $14.95, Paperback - 432 pages
(August 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312869460

Charles de Lint: Jack of Kinrowan. List Price: $14.95, Paperback -
384 pages (June 1999), Tor Books, ISBN: 0312869592 (5.5" x
8.25" size)

James Alan Gardner: Commitment Hour. List Price: $5.99,
Publisher: Avon Books, Mass Market Paperback - 343 pages (April
1998), ISBN: 0380798271

Mary Gentle: A Secret History : The Book of Ash 1. US, List Price:
=A36.99, Mass Market Paperback - 424 pages (October 5, 1999),
Eos (Mass Market); ISBN: 0380788691 (Ash: A Secret History.
UK, List Price: =A314.99, Paperback - 1113 pages (15 June, 2000),
Victor Gollancz Science Fiction; ISBN: 0575069015. (contains
books 1-3!))

Gregory Maguire: Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister. Paperback -
384 pages (October 2000)  Regan Books; ISBN: 0060987529; List
Price: $15.00

Gregory Maguire: Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch
of the West. Douglas Smith (Illustrator), Retail Price: $14.00,
Paperback, 406pp., ISBN: 0060987103, Publisher: HarperCollins
Publishers, Incorporated, Pub. Date: September  1996

Starhawk: The Fifth Sacred Thing.  List Price: $14.95, Paperback
Reprint edition (July 1994), Bantam Doubleday Dell Pub (Trd Pap);
ISBN: 0553373803

Jane Yolen: The Books of Great Alta. List Price: $16.95, 448
pages (April 1997), St. Martin's Press; ISBN: 031286258X

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Hi Everyone


This is the last day for sending in your votes for

the upcoming BDG reads. The votes are still very

spread out, and each vote really <italic>can </italic>make a
difference!


Thanks!!

Terri




Here are instructions for voting;


Please send your votes to me at

        <<terriergraphics@cybertours.com>

Not to the list!


Vote for the *FOUR* books of your choice. I will be accepting

votes from now until Wednesday, Sept. 27th at midnight EST. Winners

will be posted by Friday Sept. 29th.


After you have sent your *FOUR* (4) votes you should receive a

confirmation from me within 24 hours. If not, please repost or

contact me. I want to make sure everyones' votes are received and=20

counted.   :o)


Thanks

Terri Wakefield


The comments of the reviewers can be looked up at

http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0900.htm


--

Angela Carter: Nights at the Circus. List Price: $12.95, Paperback -

294 pages (January 1993), Viking Pr; ISBN:  0140077030


Suzy McKee Charnas: The Conqueror's Child (The Holdfast

Chronicles, Book 4). List Price: $14.95, Paperback - 432 pages

(August 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312869460


Charles de Lint: Jack of Kinrowan. List Price: $14.95, Paperback -

384 pages (June 1999), Tor Books, ISBN: 0312869592 (5.5" x

8.25" size)


James Alan Gardner: Commitment Hour. List Price: $5.99,

Publisher: Avon Books, Mass Market Paperback - 343 pages (April

1998), ISBN: 0380798271


Mary Gentle: A Secret History : The Book of Ash 1. US, List Price:

=A36.99, Mass Market Paperback - 424 pages (October 5, 1999),

Eos (Mass Market); ISBN: 0380788691 (Ash: A Secret History.

UK, List Price: =A314.99, Paperback - 1113 pages (15 June, 2000),

Victor Gollancz Science Fiction; ISBN: 0575069015. (contains

books 1-3!))


Gregory Maguire: Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister. Paperback -

384 pages (October 2000)  Regan Books; ISBN: 0060987529; List

Price: $15.00


Gregory Maguire: Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch

of the West. Douglas Smith (Illustrator), Retail Price: $14.00,

Paperback, 406pp., ISBN: 0060987103, Publisher: HarperCollins

Publishers, Incorporated, Pub. Date: September  1996


Starhawk: The Fifth Sacred Thing.  List Price: $14.95, Paperback

Reprint edition (July 1994), Bantam Doubleday Dell Pub (Trd Pap);

ISBN: 0553373803


Jane Yolen: The Books of Great Alta. List Price: $16.95, 448

pages (April 1997), St. Martin's Press; ISBN: 031286258X

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In response to Susan and others' posts:


> The latest three,
> (_Family
> Tree_, _Six Moon Dance_, and _Singer..._) have disappointed me.
>
I found this to be different from my experience. I thought she had a
fallow period between SIDESHOW and FAMILY TREE, and SIX MOON DANCE was
one of my favorites of hers. The in-betweens, to me, had the problems
mentioned here where the "agenda" of the story overrode any possible
interest in the characters (esp. SHADOW'S END and A PLAGUE OF ANGELS,
which I have a hard time even remembering). GIBBON'S was a fun puzzle at
the end of the book, but otherwise not as compelling as some of her
other works.

I really really liked THE FRESCO, and think the main character is very
identifiable and real and fully realized.

AFAIK there are no new mysteries on the horizon. She last wrote an Orde
in like 1997, and an Oliphant in the same year, IIRC. Her characters
were interesting, and I liked reading the series, but most of the time
the mystery element was not that complex.

Pax,

Maryelizabeth

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Subject:      Re: BDG: Tepper

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>I really really liked THE FRESCO, and think the main character is very
>identifiable and real and fully realized.

Oh GOOD!!! Something to look forward to! I need it.



>AFAIK there are no new mysteries on the horizon. She last wrote an Orde
>in like 1997, and an Oliphant in the same year, IIRC. Her characters
>were interesting, and I liked reading the series, but most of the time
>the mystery element was not that complex.

I only read mysteries for "non-mystery" elements, and I like Tepper's. Somebody
else mentioned disagreement with Shirley McClintock's politics -- various, yes,
but I do like the character, which I suspect to be at least somewhat
Tepper-based.

Frances

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