From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Thu Jul 12 20:21:06 2001 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:39:59 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0009D" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:58:07 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Terri Subject: BDG votes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I am late getting the vote confirmations out, so don't be alarmed if it's been over 24 hours since you sent your votes in and haven't received your confirmation. I will be caught up with them by this evening. :o) We are having visitors from Scotland, and are having too much fun!! Thanks for your patience Terri ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:42:02 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Terri Subject: BDG Voting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There are three more days to vote for your choices for BDG selections for the next four months. Voting ends this Wednesday, Sept. 27th, at midnight EST. The votes are really spread out so far, with no clear cut winners. If you have favorites among the nominations, be sure and send me your votes! One vote could make a difference. Thanks for a great turnout!! Terri Here are instructions for voting; Please send your votes to me at Not to the list! Vote for the *FOUR* books of your choice. I will be accepting votes from now until Wednesday, Sept. 27th at midnight EST. Winners will be posted by Friday Sept. 29th. After you have sent your *FOUR* (4) votes you should receive a confirmation from me within 24 hours. If not, please repost or contact me. I want to make sure everyones' votes are received and counted. :o) Thanks Terri Wakefield The comments of the reviewers can be looked up at http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0900.htm -- Angela Carter: Nights at the Circus. List Price: $12.95, Paperback - 294 pages (January 1993), Viking Pr; ISBN: 0140077030 Suzy McKee Charnas: The Conqueror's Child (The Holdfast Chronicles, Book 4). List Price: $14.95, Paperback - 432 pages (August 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312869460 Charles de Lint: Jack of Kinrowan. List Price: $14.95, Paperback - 384 pages (June 1999), Tor Books, ISBN: 0312869592 (5.5" x 8.25" size) James Alan Gardner: Commitment Hour. List Price: $5.99, Publisher: Avon Books, Mass Market Paperback - 343 pages (April 1998), ISBN: 0380798271 Mary Gentle: A Secret History : The Book of Ash 1. US, List Price: £6.99, Mass Market Paperback - 424 pages (October 5, 1999), Eos (Mass Market); ISBN: 0380788691 (Ash: A Secret History. UK, List Price: £14.99, Paperback - 1113 pages (15 June, 2000), Victor Gollancz Science Fiction; ISBN: 0575069015. (contains books 1-3!)) Gregory Maguire: Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister. Paperback - 384 pages (October 2000) Regan Books; ISBN: 0060987529; List Price: $15.00 Gregory Maguire: Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West. Douglas Smith (Illustrator), Retail Price: $14.00, Paperback, 406pp., ISBN: 0060987103, Publisher: HarperCollins Publishers, Incorporated, Pub. Date: September 1996 Starhawk: The Fifth Sacred Thing. List Price: $14.95, Paperback Reprint edition (July 1994), Bantam Doubleday Dell Pub (Trd Pap); ISBN: 0553373803 Jane Yolen: The Books of Great Alta. List Price: $16.95, 448 pages (April 1997), St. Martin's Press; ISBN: 031286258X ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:24:34 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Amy Harlib Subject: What I just read: The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip Book Review Comments: To: WomensFantasySciFi@egroups.com Comments: cc: amazons@egroups.com, fantasy@egroups.com, FantasyDiscussion@egroups.com, Fantasy_Books@egroups.com, fantasybookclub@onelist.com, anorton@egroups.com, fsf-list@egroups.com, disenchantment@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a review I wrote of a refreshingly different kind of book. This will be posted at these websites for which I review regularly: SF Site, scifinow.com, rambles.net, Blue Iris Journal and Emerald City. I hope this will be of interest. Thanks for letting me share. Amy aharlib@worldnet.att.net The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip by George Saunders, Illustrated by Lane Smith (Villard Books, NY, Aug. 2000, $23.95, hardcover, ISBN#: 0-375-50383-8). George Saunders, American author of two previous collections of off-beat and slipstream short stories (CivilWarLand and Pastoralia), now has taken a somewhat different turn to write a modern fairy tale for 'adults and future adults' published in the form of a glossy picture book for children of all ages in which the text and the illustrations are equally important and perfectly complementary. Saunder's wry humor, sharp eye, satirical outlook and idiosyncratic voice are almost perfectly matched by artist Lane Smith's (The Stinky Cheese Man and James and the Giant Peach among others), stylized renderings of the characters and surreal backdrops executed in a skillful, distinctive blend of collage and mixed media---with eerie Daliesque results. The bizarre imagery and the unconventional storytelling makes this parable about selfishness, community and economy the perfect antidote to cloying Disney drivel, for The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip offers a most definitely nonsugarcoated glimpse of life. The story centers around a young girl named Capable who lives in the three-house town of Frip, overlooking the sea. For longer than anyone can remember, our protagonist, her widowed father, and her neighbors the Ronsons and the Romos, have been besieged by gappers---strange creatures that look sort of like bright orange baseball-sized burrs with multiple eyes (most hilariously depicted in Smith's illistrations). The gappers, for some inexplicable reason, manifest their love for the goats, whose milk is the town's entire economy, by attaching themselves to the hapless animals and then shreiking with joy, which causes the goats to lose sleep and stop making milk. Before long, one of the smarter gappers realizes that Capable's house is cosest to the sea in which they dwell when not bothering goats and convinces the rest of its ilk to concentrate their efforts solely there, thus turning Capable's goats into massive, wailing balls of gappers, while the neighbors' herds are left alone. The Sisyphean task of brushing away the ceaselessly returning gappers takes up all of Capable's time. Her selfish neighbors react to her pleas for help with the peculiar logic of a trademark Saunders response: "Not that we're saying we're better than you, necessarily, its just that since gappers are bad, and since you and you alone have them, it only stands to reason that you are not, perhaps, quite as good as us. Not that we hate you! We don't. We even sort of like you." Of course it's only a matter of time and Capable's cleverness that gradually changes everybody's luck, but things do conclude as happily as is possible in the morally challenged, circumscribed world of Frip, for Saunders is much too savvy to bring this fable to a preachy, edifying ending. The collaboration between Saunders and and Smith in The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip is inspired, with Saunders' writing portraying the spooky and the disturbing as something to embrace rather than fear, his dialog featuring deadpan repetitions and platitudinous self-excuses that are uncannily amusing. Smith adds witty touches throughout, his creepy, beautiful ilustrations being the ideal complement to the author's themes of melancholy and hope, ensuring that adults and youngsters alike will find the pictures appealing and intriguing. As a refreshing change from the usual cloying sentimentality of most books aimed at children, Saunders' and Smith's effort gives kids a taste of the dark humor that awaits them in the real world and offers adults an entertaining mirror in which to assess their own jaded cynicism. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:58:18 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Susan Hericks Subject: BDG: Tepper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all of ya'll (as they'd say here in the south) Well, I am clearly behind you all in my reading, as I have been for months, but I finally finished Tepper. I have also been thinking about the Why-so-little-Discussion question and have a few comments. A propos of the latter, from my own experience of posting on a book, sometimes putting considerable thought and energy into it, I have found it really discouraging to often never be responded to. I think, for example, of a post I made on _Ring of Swords_ that I was excited about and eager to engage in discussion, but it didn't seem to spark anyone else's interest. I know it's considered a faux pas to write a post that just says, "you're so right , Susan!" or " I don't know where you came up with that one, Susan!" But, speaking for myself, it would encourage me to stay tuned and continue to participate in the discussion. Perhaps we could send this sort of encouragement to personal emails rather than the whole list, if no one minded. It does seem like our most controversial books (i.e. Butler) have inspired the most participation. It is easy to write when we have knee jerk reactions to something, but everyone here is smart enough to do more than that. I read _The Dazzle of Day_ very late in the discussion, perhaps even after the specified month, and it was such a gorgeous book that I wanted to say something about it and didn't. I am disappointed in myself that I also seem to respond best to contoversy and have a harder time expressing myself when it comes to some quieter, but magnificent, writing! It's a cliche, but it seems like a case of getting out of something what you put into it. The list, that is. I am resolving to do my part! I also think that asking the nominator to begin the discussion of her book is a good idea. I have nominated books in the past and would be eager to take that on. So--Tepper. I have been reflecting on the irony of how such a good writer can still produce a book that is (to me) often boring and (to some others, apparently) formulaic. When I discovered Tepper about five years ago I read everything I could get my hands on, starting with the _Grass_. _Raising the Stones_ is one of my favorites, partly because of my interest in religion. I also loved Northshore/ Southshore, which I haven't seen others mention here. While I liked _The Gate to Women's Country_, I didn't find it to be as notable as some make it out to be. Unfortunately, I haven't yet tracked down the Marion (?) books which are Robin's favorites. The latest three, (_Family Tree_, _Six Moon Dance_, and _Singer..._) have disappointed me. On the positive side, Tepper's "formula" is usually pretty impressive to me. Her imagination is powerful and her stories have a momentum that is engaging. She usually creates some pretty detailed cultures that almost always have some disturbing, hidden secret that is revealed slowly. I think that Tepper is usually very successful in this "mystery" aspect of her writing. ( I haven't had a chance to read her Orde or Oliphant mysteries). While the reader knows that something is up and can make some guesses about what it might be, Tepper manages to keep some complicated surprises up her sleeve. In this book, I was still surprised and interested in the complexity of the lichen, as when we figure out the effect that male blood has on it. On the other hand, finding out that the "other things" that Geneveive had been up to in the basement with her mother involved breathing underwater with gills just didn't seem to jibe with what I knew of her character/identity. Others have commented that the characters weren't well-developed and I agree. I wasn't as bothered by Geneveive as some were, but I wasn't very involved with her trials. (Whereas I was with Grass' Marjorie). The characters were not very interesting or complex in general. I WAS very annoyed at the end of the book when G. tries to reassure her husband that she is ordinary after he can't handle viewing her as powerful and uniquely different. Although I'm still having a hard time putting my finger on why this book and Six Moon Dance,to an even greater degree, bored me, I think it is probably this question of character development. While Tepper's culture's and cultural clashes are fascinating, I ultimately don't care alot about whether her particular protagonists succeed and survive. I had this same problem in _Family Tree_, where the characters seemed to fill stereotypes. While I am on board with Tepper's environmental views, I am also largely unmoved by her writing about them. And when will she stop using the term "mankind"?! There is alot to praise about Tepper and I will continue to read her books, but I hope that she can develop some characters who are as compelling as her cultures. BTW: Amy, I have enjoyed your book reviews, thanks. I would also just like to tell you all that I have learned so much about this genre through this list! When I started writing my dissertation using LeGuin and Starhawk (which is done, thank you!) how little I knew about all the great feminist sci-fi out there! Now I know alot more, thanks to you. I just read _The Terrorists of Irustan_ by Louise Marley which someone nominated awhile back, but it wasn't chosen. I liked it, so thanks! I also read two of Slonscewski's books and loved them! All of you out there --someone is interested in your opinions and finds this list worthwhile! Lets not let this sense of discouragment over low participation get us down :o) Was that terribly long? Ah! Peace women, Susan ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:44:46 -0400 Reply-To: Frances Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Frances Subject: Re: BDG: Tepper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Why-so-little-Discussion question With "Six Moon" and "Singer" I was feeling a bit baffled, wondering if it's "just me", so I've been interested by the discussion. I reluctantly conclude that Tepper may be -- oh, I hope not burning out. Perhaps trapped in the "book a year" contract/expectation. And even these two had plenty of enjoyment to offer, but I find I can't really remember them even after two or three readings, whereas "Grass" and "Raising the Stones" are embedded. I did enjoy "Family Tree" although with a major reservation or two. It worked a bit of magic for me, perhaps because it resonated with my other favorite, the Jinian trilogy (especially "Jinian Footseer"). I find I can return to the earlier work (except "The Revenants", which I have never been able to fathom) with as much enjoyment as ever, and am re-reading the mysteries quite happily at the moment. I think she peaked with "Grass" and "Stones". I do hope I'm wrong! Frances ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:59:06 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Pamela Bedore Subject: Re: BDG: Tepper In-Reply-To: <024301c02774$896103a0$4ba56420@fpgcswgi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello folks, I haven't actually read Tepper's most recent science fiction, because I got a bit turned off 3 or 4 books ago...like many others, I loved several of her earlier books, but got a bit bored at a certain point. On the other hand, I continue to enjoy her detective fiction, written under the names A.E. Orde and B.J.Oliphant. Each series has a central character, Jason Lynx and Shirley McClintock, respectively. Perhaps because these are series, the character development is relatively complex and interesting, and I definitely care about the characters even when I disagree entirely with their politics (esp. in the case of McClintock!). These books are short (150-250 pages) and maintain the reader's (at least *this* reader's) interest throughout. I wonder if Tepper is having more fun with her detective writing these days....to me at least, those books seem to have more energy. I'm curious to know if others are reading the mysteries, and if so, what people think of them. On an entirely unrelated note, have others read Robert J. Sawyer? Cheers, pamela bedore department of english university of rochester On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Frances wrote: > >Why-so-little-Discussion question > > With "Six Moon" and "Singer" I was feeling a bit baffled, wondering if it's > "just me", so I've been interested by the discussion. > > I reluctantly conclude that Tepper may be -- oh, I hope not burning out. Perhaps > trapped in the "book a year" contract/expectation. And even these two had plenty > of enjoyment to offer, but I find I can't really remember them even after two or > three readings, whereas "Grass" and "Raising the Stones" are embedded. > > I did enjoy "Family Tree" although with a major reservation or two. It worked a > bit of magic for me, perhaps because it resonated with my other favorite, the > Jinian trilogy (especially "Jinian Footseer"). > > I find I can return to the earlier work (except "The Revenants", which I have > never been able to fathom) with as much enjoyment as ever, and am re-reading > the mysteries quite happily at the moment. > > I think she peaked with "Grass" and "Stones". > > I do hope I'm wrong! > > Frances > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:37:18 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Terri Subject: BDG Voting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1242049839==_ma============" --============_-1242049839==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone This is the last day for sending in your votes for the upcoming BDG reads. The votes are still very spread out, and each vote really can make a difference! Thanks!! Terri Here are instructions for voting; Please send your votes to me at Not to the list! Vote for the *FOUR* books of your choice. I will be accepting votes from now until Wednesday, Sept. 27th at midnight EST. Winners will be posted by Friday Sept. 29th. After you have sent your *FOUR* (4) votes you should receive a confirmation from me within 24 hours. If not, please repost or contact me. I want to make sure everyones' votes are received and counted. :o) Thanks Terri Wakefield The comments of the reviewers can be looked up at http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0900.htm -- Angela Carter: Nights at the Circus. List Price: $12.95, Paperback - 294 pages (January 1993), Viking Pr; ISBN: 0140077030 Suzy McKee Charnas: The Conqueror's Child (The Holdfast Chronicles, Book 4). List Price: $14.95, Paperback - 432 pages (August 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312869460 Charles de Lint: Jack of Kinrowan. List Price: $14.95, Paperback - 384 pages (June 1999), Tor Books, ISBN: 0312869592 (5.5" x 8.25" size) James Alan Gardner: Commitment Hour. List Price: $5.99, Publisher: Avon Books, Mass Market Paperback - 343 pages (April 1998), ISBN: 0380798271 Mary Gentle: A Secret History : The Book of Ash 1. US, List Price: =A36.99, Mass Market Paperback - 424 pages (October 5, 1999), Eos (Mass Market); ISBN: 0380788691 (Ash: A Secret History. UK, List Price: =A314.99, Paperback - 1113 pages (15 June, 2000), Victor Gollancz Science Fiction; ISBN: 0575069015. (contains books 1-3!)) Gregory Maguire: Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister. Paperback - 384 pages (October 2000) Regan Books; ISBN: 0060987529; List Price: $15.00 Gregory Maguire: Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West. Douglas Smith (Illustrator), Retail Price: $14.00, Paperback, 406pp., ISBN: 0060987103, Publisher: HarperCollins Publishers, Incorporated, Pub. Date: September 1996 Starhawk: The Fifth Sacred Thing. List Price: $14.95, Paperback Reprint edition (July 1994), Bantam Doubleday Dell Pub (Trd Pap); ISBN: 0553373803 Jane Yolen: The Books of Great Alta. List Price: $16.95, 448 pages (April 1997), St. Martin's Press; ISBN: 031286258X --============_-1242049839==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone This is the last day for sending in your votes for the upcoming BDG reads. The votes are still very spread out, and each vote really can make a difference! Thanks!! Terri Here are instructions for voting; Please send your votes to me at < Not to the list! Vote for the *FOUR* books of your choice. I will be accepting votes from now until Wednesday, Sept. 27th at midnight EST. Winners will be posted by Friday Sept. 29th. After you have sent your *FOUR* (4) votes you should receive a confirmation from me within 24 hours. If not, please repost or contact me. I want to make sure everyones' votes are received and=20 counted. :o) Thanks Terri Wakefield The comments of the reviewers can be looked up at http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0900.htm -- Angela Carter: Nights at the Circus. List Price: $12.95, Paperback - 294 pages (January 1993), Viking Pr; ISBN: 0140077030 Suzy McKee Charnas: The Conqueror's Child (The Holdfast Chronicles, Book 4). List Price: $14.95, Paperback - 432 pages (August 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312869460 Charles de Lint: Jack of Kinrowan. List Price: $14.95, Paperback - 384 pages (June 1999), Tor Books, ISBN: 0312869592 (5.5" x 8.25" size) James Alan Gardner: Commitment Hour. List Price: $5.99, Publisher: Avon Books, Mass Market Paperback - 343 pages (April 1998), ISBN: 0380798271 Mary Gentle: A Secret History : The Book of Ash 1. US, List Price: =A36.99, Mass Market Paperback - 424 pages (October 5, 1999), Eos (Mass Market); ISBN: 0380788691 (Ash: A Secret History. UK, List Price: =A314.99, Paperback - 1113 pages (15 June, 2000), Victor Gollancz Science Fiction; ISBN: 0575069015. (contains books 1-3!)) Gregory Maguire: Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister. Paperback - 384 pages (October 2000) Regan Books; ISBN: 0060987529; List Price: $15.00 Gregory Maguire: Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West. Douglas Smith (Illustrator), Retail Price: $14.00, Paperback, 406pp., ISBN: 0060987103, Publisher: HarperCollins Publishers, Incorporated, Pub. Date: September 1996 Starhawk: The Fifth Sacred Thing. List Price: $14.95, Paperback Reprint edition (July 1994), Bantam Doubleday Dell Pub (Trd Pap); ISBN: 0553373803 Jane Yolen: The Books of Great Alta. List Price: $16.95, 448 pages (April 1997), St. Martin's Press; ISBN: 031286258X --============_-1242049839==_ma============-- ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:59:43 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: BDG: Tepper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In response to Susan and others' posts: > The latest three, > (_Family > Tree_, _Six Moon Dance_, and _Singer..._) have disappointed me. > I found this to be different from my experience. I thought she had a fallow period between SIDESHOW and FAMILY TREE, and SIX MOON DANCE was one of my favorites of hers. The in-betweens, to me, had the problems mentioned here where the "agenda" of the story overrode any possible interest in the characters (esp. SHADOW'S END and A PLAGUE OF ANGELS, which I have a hard time even remembering). GIBBON'S was a fun puzzle at the end of the book, but otherwise not as compelling as some of her other works. I really really liked THE FRESCO, and think the main character is very identifiable and real and fully realized. AFAIK there are no new mysteries on the horizon. She last wrote an Orde in like 1997, and an Oliphant in the same year, IIRC. Her characters were interesting, and I liked reading the series, but most of the time the mystery element was not that complex. Pax, Maryelizabeth http://www.mystgalaxy.com ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:34:33 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Frances Subject: Re: BDG: Tepper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryelizabeth Hart" >I really really liked THE FRESCO, and think the main character is very >identifiable and real and fully realized. Oh GOOD!!! Something to look forward to! I need it. >AFAIK there are no new mysteries on the horizon. She last wrote an Orde >in like 1997, and an Oliphant in the same year, IIRC. Her characters >were interesting, and I liked reading the series, but most of the time >the mystery element was not that complex. I only read mysteries for "non-mystery" elements, and I like Tepper's. Somebody else mentioned disagreement with Shirley McClintock's politics -- various, yes, but I do like the character, which I suspect to be at least somewhat Tepper-based. Frances ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems.