From LISTSERV@listserv.uic.edu Thu Aug 24 18:57:10 2000 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:55:57 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University of Illinois at Chicago (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0001A" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:04:33 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: Re: upcoming movies In-Reply-To: <000e01bf5051$4245b1a0$72c9193f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT A Happy New Year to all! On 27 Dec 99, Joyce Jones wrote: > Here's a disappointment. I found this site devoted to, what else, > upcoming movies. Since we had discussed the possibility of some of > our books being made into movies, I thought I find out something about > The Sparrow. Nothing, it's just listed as a possibly going to be made > movie, no details; same with Ender's Game. I was hoping for real > details, guess I'm just going to have to wait. SFRevu published in its May 99 issue a note by Mary Russell on making a movie out of The Sparrow. Full quote: http://www.sfrevu.com/issues/03-05/contact.html 'The Sparrow Movie: more nipples, less religion, and a 30 point IQ drop (Mary Russell) Movie news on The Sparrow: Universal Studios renewed their option, and the third revision of the screenplay is almost finished. All indications are that they're going ahead with the project. The line up is still the same: Antonio Banderas starring, Geoff Wright directing, Addis-Wechsler producing, and Kevin Misher as the project's angel at Universal. I'm not sure what he's called--executive producer? (He's co-president of Universal, so if he likes Jason's new version of the script, there's only one other person at the studio who can say no, and I'm not sure if she can make it stick.) The major changes to the story are totally predictable: more nipples, less religion, and about a 30 point IQ drop... ' I've also seen this info in other places. My apologies if it's redundant. Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:25:33 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: FW: SF-related web site contest Comments: To: "sciencefiction-l@listserv.indiana.edu" , Multiple recipients of list Comments: cc: Fred Ollinger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David-Glenn Anderson [mailto:dga99@JUNO.COM] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 9:22 AM To: SF-LIT@RS8.LOC.GOV Subject: SF-related web site contest David Brin and Analog are sponsoring a science fiction related web site contest. In his announcement, Dr Brin said, "Hello to all of you folks who are interested in Science Fiction as it applies to educating the next generation. "Well, it's finally happened. In conjunction with Analog Magazine, I am launching my Webs of Wonder contest, at last! "I'm offering a $1,000 1st prize etc. for the best web site that links good SF stories to curriculum needs of teachers in the field. "To learn more about it, go to http://www.analogsf.com/wow "The time scale for creating contestant sites is VERY short. we've made a JULY deadline, in order to be able to award the prize at the Chicago Woldcon, over Labor Day. So it's essential that we get the word out PRONTO! "To that end, Please Please Please think hard about any person or group you may think possibly interested in participating and pass on the info to them... If even a few really useful curriculum sites arise out of this, it could do a lot of good." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:12:48 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Joyce Jones Subject: Re: upcoming movies Thanks, Petra, I just saw your posting about The Sparrow > >SFRevu published in its May 99 issue a note by Mary Russell on >making a movie out of The Sparrow. Full quote: >http://www.sfrevu.com/issues/03-05/contact.html > >'The Sparrow Movie: more nipples, less religion, and a 30 point IQ >drop (Mary Russell) The same could be said of so much out of Hollywood, couldn't it? Joyce ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:31:01 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Allyson Shaw Subject: Re: Intro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I'm new to the list. Well, actually I was on this list about a year ago, and am signed on again. The list has been very quiet and I'm wondering why. Is this the list for book discussion-- I've read this months selection, Briar Rose, but since it's been so quiet I'm wondering if I'm in the right place? Thanks, Allyson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:46:01 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: Intro: Shaw: BDG BRIAR ROSE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Holiday season slump? What was your impression of BRIAR ROSE? -----Original Message----- From: Allyson Shaw [mailto:allyshaw@EARTHLINK.NET] Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] Intro Hi I'm new to the list. Well, actually I was on this list about a year ago, and am signed on again. The list has been very quiet and I'm wondering why. Is this the list for book discussion-- I've read this months selection, Briar Rose, but since it's been so quiet I'm wondering if I'm in the right place? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:13:35 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Lyla Miklos Subject: Re: Intro: Shaw: BDG BRIAR ROSE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Holiday season slump? What was your impression of > BRIAR ROSE? I was wondering when discussion on that book would start!?! I was so happy to revist this book again. The last time I read it was because of watching Prisoners of Gravity on TV Ontario years and years ago. They did a show on fairy tales and another show on queer sci-fi and fantasy lit and this book came up on both episodes. I really miss POG, it was a great show to find out what was worth reading in sci-fi and fantasy. I'd usually watch the show with pen and paper in hand madly scribbling down titles and authors. So now that I work at Space in Toronto and we have all the old POG shows I went back and watched the interviews with Jane Yolen. Yolen says in one interview that she had every intention of making the old man that the grandaughter finds her actual grandfather and then he (the character) said no way Jane I can't be her grad-pappy, I'm gay, so she was forced into reasearching the fate of queers in the holocaust. I remember reading this book and getting a little education. When I first read it, which was when I was in high school, I didn't even consider the fact that gays and lesbians would have been persucuted too, so it was interesting to find out the different symbols you wore depending on Nazi logic and so on. Odder still when I consider that I organized a pink triangle day event and education booth at my college many years later. Oh how times change :) Yolen also says that the Jewish Community and holocaust groups completely ignored her book, but the queer community welcomed it with open arms and gave it a lot of press. I love this book. It is a real gem. I love fairy tales and taking the story of sleeping beauty and retelling it in a holocaust setting is such a leap of creative genius. . . .I really love this book. I'm glad we had it up for discussion. Any other thoughts? Lyla __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:47:09 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: brief review Comments: To: Horror in Film and Literature , "sciencefiction-l@listserv.indiana.edu" Comments: cc: Short Mystery Fiction , Multiple recipients of list , SF-LIT@RS8.LOC.GOV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" at scifi.com --the Seeing Ear Theater pages now feature on their "classic" (RealAudio-accessible radio) column "The Embassy," a not-bad X-MINUS-ONE episode based on a Donald Wollheim short story (as was, rather more distantly, the Mira Sorvino film MIMIC). Wollheim, of course, was an enormously influential editor and publisher, and a good occasional writer; this is a somewhat guessable but well-enough-done semi-mystery, with a private detective the protagonist, and the usual Wollheim sf/horror crossover elements. Also there is a fairly straightforward, less than compelling but interesting desperate-(and racist)-criminals-on-a-raft story, "The Fourth Man," one of the lesser episodes of ESCAPE (I didn't know they used ESCAPE as a summer replacement for SUSPENSE, a fact that will interest perhaps three of you). Mark Clifton's gifted-children story "Star Bright" is better-presented (another X MINUS ONE) than either of these, and a good introduction to Clifton's work (albeit at second hand), which Barry Malzberg among others has labored to bring back into the consciousness of the sf-reading public. As always, there are new productions ("originals"), such as an interesting if overproduced Jack Dann psychodrama, and author-readings archived at the site as well... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:28:32 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jessie Stickgold-Sarah Subject: Re: BDG BRIAR ROSE In-Reply-To: <20000106181335.17530.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Behind as usual, I just read this one today...I've always been fond of Jane Yolen, and I liked this one too. For some reason the writing seemed a bit clunky, though it smoothed out when Jack was telling his story; she still manages to draw me in. I'm a big fan of modern retold fairy tales when done properly, and I think this one was. Sleeping Beauty seems to lend itself far more readily to some metaphor of oppression in marriage, say, than to the Holocaust, but Yolen makes the fairy tale echo the camps in a pretty horrific way. I wonder why the Jewish community didn't react to it, especially given that _The Devil's Arithmetic_ got so much more attention. I was reminded a little of Peg Kerr's _Wild Swans_, a retelling of the story of the Seven Swans and at the same time the AIDS epidemic in New York. Jessie >Yolen says in one interview that she had every >intention of making the old man that the grandaughter >finds her actual grandfather and then he (the >character) said no way Jane I can't be her grad-pappy, >I'm gay, so she was forced into reasearching the fate >of queers in the holocaust. > >I remember reading this book and getting a little >education. When I first read it, which was when I was >in high school, I didn't even consider the fact that >gays and lesbians would have been persucuted too, so >it was interesting to find out the different symbols >you wore depending on Nazi logic and so on. > > > >Yolen also says that the Jewish Community and >holocaust groups completely ignored her book, but the >queer community welcomed it with open arms and gave it >a lot of press.