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So far we have 8 nominations:

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Constance Ash (Editor): Not of Woman Born. Tales of high-tech
reproduction from the most inventive names in science fiction.
(March 1999), ISBN: 0451456815, Penguin USA (Paper), Roc
Books, 272 pages, List Price $6.99

David Brin: Glory Season. Bantam Books, list price - $6.99, ISBN -
0553567675

Deborah Christian: Mainline. Tor Books, 1996. List Price:
$5.99/$7.99 (Canada), ISBN 0-812-54908-2

Emma Donoghue: Kissing the Witch : Old Tales in New Skins.
Collection. Harpercollins Juvenile Books; ISBN: 0064407721 ; List
Price: $11.00, Paperback - 240 pages, Reprint edition (May 1999).

Katherine Dunn: Geek Love. KNOPF, ALFRED A 1989, 1990
(1117367290); Paperback - 355 pages (August 1993) Warner
Books; ISBN: 0446391301

Nicola Griffith and Stephen Pagel (eds.): Bending the Landscape:
Science Fiction. ISBN: 0879517328, Overlook Press, paperbk
March 2000, $16.95 (US) list price, 375 pages

Nalo Hopkinson: Midnight Robber. Paperback - 329 pages (March
2000), Aspect; ISBN: 0446675601, $13.95

Peter Watts: Starfish. List Price: $6.99, Mass Market Paperback -
320 pages (February 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0812575857
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The comments of the nominators can be looked up at
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/bdg_nom_0400.htm

Two more days to go.

Petra


Petra Mayerhofer
mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de
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Hello - I am three-quarters through The Diamond Age and would like to
recommend it to the
group.  I am new to this group since Feb 2000 so I don't know if this book
has been read by
the group or considered before.  The summary below is somewhat misleading
in that it sounds
like Hackworth is the lead character.  He is responsible for starting the
process
but the book revolves around Nell and the primer.

available from amazon.com:

The Diamond Age
                 by Neal Stephenson
                           List Price: $6.99
                           Our Price: $5.59
                           You Save: $1.40 (20%)


                 Paperback - 499 pages Reprint edition (March 1996)
                 Bantam Books (Mm); ISBN: 0553573314 ; Dimensions (in
inches):
                 0.87 x 6.87 x 4.18
John Percival Hackworth is a nanotech engineer
                 on the rise when he steals a copy of "A Young
                 Lady's Illustrated Primer" for his daughter Fiona.
                 The primer is actually a super computer built
                 with nanotechnology that was designed to educate
                 Lord Finkle-McGraw's daughter and to teach her
                 how to think for herself in the stifling
                 neo-Victorian society. But Hackworth loses the
                 primer before he can give it to Fiona, and now
                 the "book" has fallen into the hands of young
                 Nell, an underprivileged girl whose life is about
                 to change.

>From Booklist , January 1, 1995
                 Stephenson's dazzling cyberspace adventure, Snow Crash
(1992), drew
                 accolades as one of the most innovative, thought-provoking
 first sf novels
                 since William Gibson's Neuromancer. Unlike Gibson, who
followed with
                 lesser sequels, Stephenson breaks new ground in a
grand-scale forecast of
                 the coming nanotechnological revolution. John Percival
Hackworth is a
                 cultured nanotech engineer who risks the censure of his
neo-Victorian
                 social class, or tribe, when he forges a copy of an
interactive,
                 computer-driven book called A Young Lady's Illustrated
Primer. With the
                 unprecedented power to single-handedly educate its reader,
 the primer is
                 designed to shape the values and maintain the superiority
of the dominant
                 tribe. During a mugging, however, Hackworth loses the copy
 to a
                 lower-class thug, who in turn gives it to his sister Nell.
 As Nell learns
                 secrets from the magic book, her understanding of herself
and her world
                 grows in ways the primer's designers never intended, and
the entire destiny
                 of society changes irrevocably. Stephenson's command of
character and
                 stylistic nuance has grown captivatingly stronger, and he
now offers
                 startling new ideas in virtually every paragraph. With
breathtaking vision
                 and insight, Stephenson establishes himself as not only a
major voice in
                 contemporary sf but also a prophet of technology's future.
 Carl Hays
                 Copyright
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=A9 1995, American Library Association. All rights
reserved
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I nominate _The Divided_ by Katie Waitman.1999, Ballantine (Del Rey). $12.95
PB.  ISBN 0345414373. I recommened on-line ordering from Powells.com for
those of you who like to support independents. (someone told me that Amazon
owns Bibliofind.  Can anyone confirm or deny this?)

After (unsuccessfully) nominating Waitman's first book _The Merro Tree_ last
time. I read it and found it very good. Waitman is very good at building
worlds with full-fledged culture, incuding art forms and myth.  The Merro
Tree also has a very interesting cross-species love relationship.  I am
interested to see what she does in this new one. BTW, it has a beautiful
cover.  Also be warned that some of the reviews posted at Amazon seem (to
me, at least) to be full of spoilers.

Book Description

                     Katie Waitman's award-winning first novel, The Merro
Tree, heralded the arrival of an exciting new science fiction talent. Now
the exceptional promise of that acclaimed debut is more than met in a
powerfully original story of love, loss, and transformation. Set on a
war-torn world of stark contrasts and fragile balances, of plenitude and
poverty, romance and betrayal, Sa'har will stir the heart and haunt the mind
long after the last
                     page is turned. . . .

           Sekmé is a rarity--a female Maurheti soldier risen to the rank of
                     Commander at the tender age of twenty-four. Daughter of
a pilot killed in a gel-bombing raid on godless Tel-mari civilians, Sekmé is
determined to crush resistance once and for all. But the merciless
efficiency that has made her a hero to her soldiers and a demon to the enemy
has also earned Sekmé the enmity of dangerous men closer to home. Men with
interests other than victory.

                     Merkus is a freedom fighter leading the resistance
against the despoilers of Tel-mari wealth and honor. Sickened by the endless
slaughter, he longs for a peace he has never known--a peace he has only read
about in an ancient poem that sings of a mythical place called Sa'har. But
to the  Maurheti, Markus is a hated terrorist to be hunted down.

                     Wepanu has spent his life wandering the inhospitable
deserts of Maurhet, his only companions the mysterious entities known as jo.
Visible to a chosen few, the jo remember what humans have forgotten--a
prophecy passed on to Wepanu that will bring Sekmé and Merkus into a violent
collision fated to shake the beliefs of Maurheti and Tel-mari to the core. A
prophecy that will point the way to the peace of Sa'har--or ignite an
                     all-consuming holocaust . . .


Susan
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I would like to nominate:
Tanith Lee's "Biting the Sun",
Mass Market Paperback - 400 pages (October 5, 1999)
Spectra; ISBN: 0553581309 ; Dimensions (in inches):
Price at Amazon = 4.29

Not only is this a beautifully crafted tale of a
complex character rife with self-contradiction, but it
explores a fascinating question:  Is rebellion
possible in a world without rules?

Description from Amazon.com
"The far future has brought freedom not only from
material want but also from rules, responsibilities,
and risk. You can change bodies and genders like
clothes, make love with whomever you want, live
forever, and kill yourself as often as you like. You
can have everything, except a meaningful life. Then
one day a restless soul discovers an act so shocking
and terrifying that human society has forgotten its
existence. --Cynthia Ward"

Reader comments, also from Amazon:
The book is really two novels in one. The first,
"Don't Bite the Sun," deals with traditional dystopian
themes, all written in Lee's brilliant, colorful prose
and enacted by a crazy and fascinating set of
characters. From the beginning the story throws you
off balance and pulls you in: come on, what other
novel opens with its narrator committing suicide? In
the futuristic city of Four-BEE a strict age-based
caste system dictates its inhabitants' lives,
particularly the lives of the Jang, whose adolescence
seems to last at least fifty years. You can do
anything when you're a Jang. Drink, do drugs, marry,
have love, kill yourself, all as many times as you
like in whatever body you prefer; the only thing you
can't do is...stop being a Jang. Thus when the
anonymous, mainly-female protagonist decides to rebel
against Four-BEE, but it's hard. When nothing is
forbidden, what can you protest? Apparently there's
something, because the second novel, "Drinking
Sapphire Wine," deals with the other half of the
story: what happens when the narrator finally ticks
off the Powers That Be and is exiled from Four-BEE.
Although I understand that the books were originally
published as separate works, they mesh seamlessly into
one another. In theory one could read "Drinking
Sapphire Wine" without reading "Don't Bite the
Sun"...but why miss the fun? Lee's Four-BEE is a weird
and wild place, where pure hedonism is ultimately
revealed to be hollow, but it's a delight to read
about.
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At 12:23 AM 4/4/00, you wrote:
>I nominate _The Divided_ by Katie Waitman.1999, Ballantine (Del Rey). $12.95
>PB.  ISBN 0345414373. I recommened on-line ordering from Powells.com for
>those of you who like to support independents. (someone told me that Amazon
>owns Bibliofind.  Can anyone confirm or deny this?)

(original message posted to the on-topic list at feministsf-lit@uic.edu,
please post all replies to the off-topic list at feministsf@uic.edu)

Yes, Amazon.com bought Bibliofind.  See (http://www.bibliofind.com/news.htm).

I've heard some scary things about Amazon.com's (http://www.amazon.com)
actions in the trial/settlement with Amazon Bookstore
(http://www.amazonfembks.com/) - can anyone confirm that Amazon.com acted
in a distinctly anti-feminist way during that dispute?

p.s. I have ordered a few things from Amazon Bookstore and their customer
service and delivery times are good.  Powells is a good independent
bookseller as well, though I've never used their online ordering.

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In a message dated 04/03/2000 11:04:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
shaffer@UIC.EDU writes:

<<  though I've never used their online ordering.
  >>

Works great.

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I apologize for any duplications in this mailing.  Please note that I am
not the contact person for this project!

FEMSPEC

CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS

Special Journal Issue:

Chinese Fantastic Women

FEMSPEC, an interdisciplinary feminist journal dedicated to critical,
pedagogical and creative works in the realms of SF, fantasy, magical
realism, and other supernatural genres, is planning a special issue on
Chinese Fantastic Women. Women play an important role in Chinese fantastic
fiction. They are sometimes benefic and victims, sometimes malefic and
avengers. A further study on the art of aestheticising women into the
fantastic can penetrate the phantasm hidden behind this fictional creation
in Chinese patriarchal culture.

In this issue of FEMSPEC we plan to offer a range of critical approaches in
women's studies to Chinese fantastic fiction as well as film and other
genres.
Possible topics, though not limited to these, include:

- Women's social position and the fantastic
- Love themes in the fantastic
- Venomous women and fatal attraction
- Women, wisdom, immortality
- Erotics and fantastic
- Narratives of fantastic women
- Metamorphosis of women
- Supernatural women characters
- and other related subjects

We also solicit original creative works concerning the related subjects of
this special issue.

The deadline for submitting papers is October 1, 2000. Critical papers
should be about 15 pages (MLA format). Please send four hard copies of your
submission by regular mail. Your name and address should be included only
on your cover letter, the works itself should have only the title. If you
wish your hard copies returned, please include a SASE with sufficient postage.

Send submissions to:

FEMSPEC Special Issue "Chinese Fantastic Women"
Feng-Fang Chen
Applied English Department
I-Shou University
No.1, Sec.1, Hsueh Cheng Road
Ta Shu Hsiang, Kaohsiung
Taiwan

e-mail: fanfan@csa500.isu.edu.tw
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<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>On 4 Apr 00, , Chris Shaffer wrote:


<color><param>0000,7F00,7F00</param>> I've heard some scary things about Amazon.com's

> (http://www.amazon.com) actions in the trial/settlement with Amazon

> Bookstore (http://www.amazonfembks.com/) - can anyone confirm that

> Amazon.com acted in a distinctly anti-feminist way during that

> dispute?


</color>Pat Holt's e-column, with excerpts from the deposition, is included
below.  I hope this is OK to post here, I mean no infringement on
Holt by posting this, just information-sharing.


In brief, Amazon.com should probably be avoided by any activist-
oriented women for the way they went after Amazon Fem.
Bookstore -- reads like some equivalent of a rape trial....



<FontFamily><param>Footlight MT Light</param>From:              <color><param>0000,0000,8000</param>"Pat Holt" <<holtpat@earthlink.net></color>

<bold>Subject:          <color><param>0000,0000,8000</param>[Holt Uncensored] #100</bold></color>

Date sent:              <color><param>0000,0000,8000</param>Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:02:30 -0700</color>

Send reply to:          <color><param>0000,0000,8000</param>HoltUncensored@nciba.com</color>


HOLT UNCENSORED


To New Readers: "Holt Uncensored" is a free online column about books
and the book industry written by former San Francisco Chronicle book
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AMAZON V. AMAZON:

    SEX, LIES AND DEPOSITIONS


So here's the scene: One of the five owners of Amazon Bookstore in

Minneapolis - the oldest feminist bookstore in the country - is being

deposed by lawyers representing Amazon.com, the online bookseller
based in Seattle -   when a very strange thing happens.


Q (AMAZON.COM LAWYER): Have you had any particular interest in
feminism?

A (AMAZON BOOKSTORE CO-OWNER): Yes.

Q: Dating back to when?

MR. SAMUEL (Amazon Bookstore lawyer): Objection, Vague.

A. I don't know. I don't remember.

Q. Seventies, college, before?

A. Possibly.

Q. Have you had any interest in promoting lesbian ideals in the
community?

MR. SAMUEL: Object to the question as vague. Also it's completely

irrelevant.

A. I don't know exactly. Can you be a little clearer?

Q. I'll ask you this, are you gay? [To Mr. Samuel] And let me say this,

Matt, you know the objections. I understand you have a job to do, and I'm

going to ignore you for the rest of the deposition . . .


Good heavens. As you may remember (see #80), Amazon Bookstore
(founded in 1970) is suing Amazon.com (founded in 1995) for
trademark infringement. The Minneapolis bookstore contends that it has
lost money for years because of confusion created by customers and
vendors who mistake Amazon Bookstore for Amazon.com. Attempts by
Amazon Bookstore to find a peaceful solution through talks with
Amazon.com were rebuffed, they say, and they sued.


So now: What does sexual orientation have to do with trademark
infringement? Let's get back to the deposition after a number of
objections and discussions have followed.


Q: In 1987, was the purpose of the entity for which you worked to just
sell books for profit?

A: We sell books to stay in business for a profit, yeah. I guess I would say

that. Q: You sell books, but has the purpose remained the same since
1987?

A: The purpose is - has been to sell books.

Q: Nothing else?

A: Not in my opinion.

Q. Okay. . . Are any of the employees at the Bookstore gay, and forgive me

for asking this question.

MR. SAMUEL: I'm going to object to the question as irrelevant. Calls for

speculation.

A: You're asking me to speculate on my coworkers' sexuality, is that the

question?

Q: I'm asking if you know.


And here the Amazon.com lawyer inserts what is to him an analogy that
will explain all.


Q: I think, for example, if I tell people or introduce them to my wife and

tell them this is my wife, I'm married to her, if somebody asks me if I'm

married or asks somebody else to whom I've just introduced my wife
whether I'm married, that person can say yeah, he's married, to my
knowledge to a woman. So I'm asking you if you know if any of the
individuals that you work for are gay to your knowledge.


MR. SAMUEL: Counsel, that's an absurd comparison, and you know that.
You're not asking - you can ask her if any of the women at the Bookstore
are married.

Q: You accused me of stereotypes. What's the difference of being
married to a man or woman? Essentially, that's what I'm asking. Do you
know if any of the women at the Bookstore, are any of the women at the
bookstore married to a woman?

A: It's not legal to be married to a woman.

Q: Do they have partners?


We don't know from this public record if everyone laughed out loud at
the Amazon.com's lawyer's confusion over what his wife is doing in a
story that's supposed to elicit answers about gay identity.


But let's give some points to the Amazon Bookstore co-owner for helpfully

pointing out something he should know as a lawyer - that women can't
be married to one another. Why she doesn't bonk him on the head with a
law book is a puzzlement.


And what any of this has to do with trademark infringement is a mystery.

Could it be that Amazon.com has no defense, and its lawyers know it?


Ah, but the next day the Amazon.com lawyer is fresh and anxious to do
the right thing as he begins deposing another co-owner of Amazon
Bookstore, to whom he shows a document.


Q: You see in the E-mail it states, all the owners at this time of Amazon

Bookstore Cooperative and historically have been all lesbians. Do you see

that?

A: No. Where is that?

Q: Is that an accurate statement, to your knowledge? I don't mean to ask a

personal question, and I apologize for doing so.

MR. SAMUEL: Yeah. Just hold on for a second. . .

(OBJECTIONS AND OFF-THE-RECORD DISCUSSIONS FOLLOW)

Q: Do you know whether any of the current owners or employees of
Amazon Bookstore Cooperative are partners?

MR. SAMUEL: Same objection . . . this question is invasive, and it's clearly

irrelevant. (MORE OBJECTIONS)


Finally the Amazon.com lawyer decides to state why he thinks the
question is relevant. He stops the proceedings and says the following:


"I think it's important, as I said yesterday, that a jury understands how

Amazon Bookstore Cooperative represents itself to the public, and I
think as part of that, it's important for the jury to know, for example,
whether the people who work in the Bookstore have a particular sexual
orientation because obviously from the perspective of my client, we
think that's important to the case, the defense's case, and that is one of
the grounds for relevance."


You can skip the rest of his explanation, but in deference to what I think

he is trying to say I've transcribed it anyway:


"And on the question of whether people are partners, in deposing people,

and if we continue to depose employees at the Bookstore, I would
certainly like to know if they have a relationship with somebody else at
the Bookstore. And it would be more likely than not that they would
have access to the same information, similar to a man and a woman who
are married."


Well, there he goes again (not listening to yesterday's witness, by the

way), though it's clear he's not comfortable with the line of questioning

and has one thing further to say:


"And, again, I don't take any pleasure in asking these questions, and from

my perspective, I ask them - to me, it's like asking somebody if they have

red hair. I don't particularly put a label on somebody because they have a

particular sexual orientation. To me if you're married, it doesn't matter if

you're married as a man and a woman, woman and woman or man and a
man."


So that's very gracious of Amazon.com's lawyer, and we're sure the co-
owners of Amazon Bookstore, who had to sit through many days of
questions and assumptions that were  just as irrelevant as these, felt a lot
better when he explained himself.


Meanwhile, it's worth looking at such testimony to appreciate why the
court makes these kinds of depositions public: If Amazon.com thinks it's
playing some kind of hardball by disclosing the sexual identity and
relationships of the staff of Amazon Bookstore, we should know it.


And we should know that all of these questions are being asked not just
by some attorney fishing for bait he can use later but "from the
perspective of my client," which is to say the people who own and
operate Amazon.com.


Can't you see some strategist in a back room somewhere suddenly
looking as if the light has dawned. Say, he says to himself, these women
are dykes!  We can't lose! Our 'defense' is proof they're a bunch of lezbos
and we walk away with the trial!


Otherwise, why ask how "the Amazon Bookstore Cooperative represents
itself to the public" when it's clear on every identifying statement made
by that store that it's a feminist bookstore?  Its website is

<underline><color><param>0000,8000,0000</param>http://www.amazonFEMBKS.com</underline></color>  (emphasis mine).  Its purpose is the

same as every other independent bookstore in the country - to "sell books
to stay in business for a profit" as the co-owner testified. Of course it

sells a lot of lesbian books - so does Amazon.com!


To Matt Samuel, the Amazon Bookstore lawyer who appears to be
getting madder and madder during the depositions, "this line of
questioning by Amazon.com borders on the outrageous," as he said on
the phone yesterday. To stop it, on October 8 he moved  for a protective
order "to prevent Defendant Amazon.com from inquiring into the sexual
orientation or relationships of any witness in this case."


In this motion, Samuel makes the astute observation that "under
Amazon.com's view of the law, Amazon Bookstore could and should have
asked Amazon.com's President, Jeff Bezos, if he is gay or straight, and

whether he is sleeping with anyone in his company who also might be a

witness.


"One would think that both Mr. Bezos and his counsel would have taken

offense at this line of questioning, and refused to answer. The principals

of Amazon Bookstore are entitled to every bit as much respect and
protection from harassment as Mr. Bezos."


So come on, Jeff, one wants to say: Call off the dogs. This suit is a

legitimate attempt to determine trademark infringement. It's not about

anything else. If you think it is, you're not fighting fair. (And by the

way, have you ever had a boyfriend?)



~~~~~~~~~~~~~



<nofill>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Rudy Leon
PhD student
Dept. of Religion
Syracuse University
rudileon@earthlink.net
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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Date:         Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:59:50 -0500
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I've just finished reading this book, and it is extremely moving. It
speaks to me of the "secrets" that everyone assumed everyone
else knew, but nobody talked about; about social patterns which
serve those who control can access to knowledge; about intuition
and risk taking and lying to oneself when underlying truth is too
terrible to contemplate.  I do not like all of Tepper's books, by any
means, but, in my opinion, this one should not be passed up by
any woman.

Title: _Singer from the Sea_
Author: Sheri S. Tepper
Format: Paperback
ISBN: 0-380-79199-4
Publisher: Avon Science Fiction
Pub. Date: March 2000
Price: US $6.99/CAN $9.99



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                      -- E. Wicker
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Date:         Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:06:41 +0200
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Hi there,

if you are female and going to attend the feminist SF gathering WisCon
24 in Madison, Wisconsin, on Memorial Weekend the 26-29th of May 2000,
or know of  any women friends attending, and are willing to share a room
(the flat rate is 83 $), please contact me off-list.


Dunja Mohr
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<p>Hi there,
<p>if you are female and going to attend the feminist SF gathering <b>WisCon
24</b> in Madison, Wisconsin, on Memorial Weekend the <b>26-29th of May
</b>2000, or know of&nbsp; any women friends attending, and are willing
to <b>share a room</b> (the flat rate is 83 $), please contact me off-list.
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Dunja Mohr
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Date:         Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:01:01 0100
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It's the last day for nominations. So far we have 12 nominations.

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Constance Ash (Editor): Not of Woman Born. Tales of high-tech
reproduction from the most inventive names in science fiction.
(March 1999), ISBN: 0451456815, Penguin USA (Paper), Roc
Books, 272 pages, List Price $6.99

David Brin: Glory Season. Bantam Books, list price - $6.99, ISBN -
0553567675

Deborah Christian: Mainline. Tor Books, 1996. List Price:
$5.99/$7.99 (Canada), ISBN 0-812-54908-2

Emma Donoghue: Kissing the Witch : Old Tales in New Skins.
Collection. Harpercollins Juvenile Books; ISBN: 0064407721 ; List
Price: $11.00, Paperback - 240 pages, Reprint edition (May 1999).

Katherine Dunn: Geek Love. KNOPF, ALFRED A 1989, 1990
(1117367290); Paperback - 355 pages (August 1993) Warner
Books; ISBN: 0446391301, List price $13.99

Nicola Griffith and Stephen Pagel (eds.): Bending the Landscape:
Science Fiction. ISBN: 0879517328, Overlook Press, paperbk
March 2000, $16.95 (US) list price, 375 pages

Nalo Hopkinson: Midnight Robber. Paperback - 329 pages (March
2000), Aspect; ISBN: 0446675601, $13.95

Tanith Lee: Biting the Sun. Mass Market Paperback - 400 pages
(October 5, 1999), Spectra; ISBN: 0553581309, List Price: $5.99

Neal Stephenson: The Diamond Age. List Price: $6.99, Paperback -
 499 pages Reprint edition (March 1996), Bantam Books (Mm);
ISBN: 0553573314

Sheri S. Tepper: Singer from the Sea. Paperback, ISBN: 0-380-
79199-4, Avon Science Fiction, March 2000, List price US
$6.99/CAN $9.99

Katie Waitman: The Divided. 1999, Ballantine (Del Rey). $12.95
PB.  ISBN 0345414373.

Peter Watts: Starfish. List Price: $6.99, Mass Market Paperback -
320 pages (February 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0812575857
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The comments of the nominators can be looked up at
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/bdg_nom_0400.htm

To the nominators: please check whether your nomination is
included and everything is o.k. with the comments. I am not perfect
and mistakes are (quite) possible.

Petra


Petra Mayerhofer
mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de
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Date:         Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:23:51 +0100
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I would like to nominate the Gilda Stories by Jewelle Gomez.  A very small
group of us discussed it last year in San Francisco, and I would love to
hear what the larger group has to say about it.   I might also be able to
get Jewelle to join us at some point or at least give us an update on her
current work in progress.

The Gilda Stories : A Novel
List Price: $12.95
Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours.
Paperback - 256 pages (June 1991)
Firebrand Books; ISBN: 093237994X ;

My brief summary:
Gilda is a vampire, but not the usual kind:  She's a black woman, a runaway
slave who is befriended by a vampire and later taken into the vampire's
family.  Her life is portrayed as a series of stories spanning the time
through today and into the future.  Gomez provides detailed vignettes of
gold-rush San Francisco, Boston in the 1950's, the New York city theater
world in the early '70's, among others.  But these are not your standard
Lestat upscale venues.  Gomez takes us to where the real people lived, the
farmers and prostitutes and aspiring actors.  We see the civil rights,
black power, and gay/lesbian struggles through the eyes of Gilda and the
mortals she loves.

Midwest Book Review
The Gilda Stories is an elegant, sensual, and natural vampire fantasy.
Time-traveling from Southern slavery in 1850 to environmental devastation
200 years later, Gilda is the quintessential outsider seeking community.
Jewelle Gomez combines a natural flair for storyteller with an ability to
weave tapestries of personality that grab the mind's imagination and won't
let go. A memorable story, deftly told.

An anonymous review posted on Amazon.com:
I've tried loaning this book to four different people. None of them seem
interested in it until I start giving away what I consider to be the good
bits. You've been warned.
Gomez writes feminist vampires and portrays a kinder, gentler vampirism
than I'm used to. They have small clan-like societies based on philosophy
of life rather than ability. The act of drinking blood isn't a near-rape
for one clan, but a "sharing." These vampires leave hopes, dreams and
inspiration to the random people upon whom they feed. Rather than murder,
Gilda herself may have saved a life through her hunger.
The book follows Gilda from the late 1800's through to the early 2000's. It
also follows her small cell of vampire family from a time when they were
the stuff of legend to their exposure.
This is a fine book. It's the first I've read that actually uses the idea
of running water as a problem for vampires, or the passing on of a name and
legend from one vampire to the other. Gomez's writing is clear and somewhat
poetic, and her ideas are sweet enough to even make the legendary
bloodsucking demons of the night seem like kind, gentle, neighborly folk.
Please read it.
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The BDG nomination period is closed. There are 13 nominations
(see list at the end of this message). The list incl. the comments of
the nominators can be looked up at
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/bdg_nom_0400.htm

The voting process will be coordinated by Terri Wakefield
<terriergraphics@cybertours.com>. Please wait for her message
explaining the procedure and do not send your votes to the list.

Petra

Nominations:
--
Constance Ash (Editor): Not of Woman Born. Tales of high-tech
reproduction from the most inventive names in science fiction.
(March 1999), ISBN: 0451456815, Penguin USA (Paper), Roc
Books, 272 pages, List Price $6.99

David Brin: Glory Season. Bantam Books, list price - $6.99, ISBN -
0553567675

Deborah Christian: Mainline. Tor Books, 1996. List Price:
$5.99/$7.99 (Canada), ISBN 0-812-54908-2

Emma Donoghue: Kissing the Witch : Old Tales in New Skins.
Collection. Harpercollins Juvenile Books; ISBN: 0064407721 ; List
Price: $11.00, Paperback - 240 pages, Reprint edition (May 1999).

Katherine Dunn: Geek Love. KNOPF, ALFRED A 1989, 1990
(1117367290); Paperback - 355 pages (August 1993) Warner
Books; ISBN: 0446391301, List price $13.99

Jewelle Gomez: The Gilda Stories. List Price: $12.95, Paperback -
256 pages (June 1991), Firebrand Books; ISBN: 093237994X ;

Nicola Griffith and Stephen Pagel (eds.): Bending the Landscape:
Science Fiction. ISBN: 0879517328, Overlook Press, paperbk
March 2000, $16.95 (US) list price, 375 pages

Nalo Hopkinson: Midnight Robber. Paperback - 329 pages (March
2000), Aspect; ISBN: 0446675601, $13.95

Tanith Lee: Biting the Sun. Mass Market Paperback - 400 pages
(October 5, 1999), Spectra; ISBN: 0553581309, List Price: $5.99

Neal Stephenson: The Diamond Age. List Price: $6.99, Paperback -
499 pages Reprint edition (March 1996), Bantam Books (Mm);
ISBN: 0553573314

Sheri S. Tepper: Singer from the Sea. Paperback, ISBN: 0-380-
79199-4, Avon Science Fiction, March 2000, List price US
$6.99/CAN $9.99

Katie Waitman: The Divided. 1999, Ballantine (Del Rey). $12.95
PB.  ISBN 0345414373.

Peter Watts: Starfish. List Price: $6.99, Mass Market Paperback -
320 pages (February 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0812575857
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Petra Mayerhofer
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Date:         Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:05:17 -0400
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From:         Terri <terriergraphics@CYBERTOURS.COM>
Subject:      Re: BDG nomination period is closed
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Hi Everyone!

Please send your votes to me at
        <terriergraphics@cybertours.com>
Not to the list!

Vote for the *FOUR* books of your choice. I will be accepting
votes from now until Friday, April 14th at midnight EST. Winners
will be posted Monday, April 17th.

After you have sent your four (4) votes you should receive a
confirmation from me within 24 hours. If not, please repost.
We want to make sure everyones' votes are received and
counted.   :o)

Thanks
Terri Wakefield

>
>
>Nominations:
>--
>Constance Ash (Editor): Not of Woman Born. Tales of high-tech
>reproduction from the most inventive names in science fiction.
>(March 1999), ISBN: 0451456815, Penguin USA (Paper), Roc
>Books, 272 pages, List Price $6.99
>
>David Brin: Glory Season. Bantam Books, list price - $6.99, ISBN -
>0553567675
>
>Deborah Christian: Mainline. Tor Books, 1996. List Price:
>$5.99/$7.99 (Canada), ISBN 0-812-54908-2
>
>Emma Donoghue: Kissing the Witch : Old Tales in New Skins.
>Collection. Harpercollins Juvenile Books; ISBN: 0064407721 ; List
>Price: $11.00, Paperback - 240 pages, Reprint edition (May 1999).
>
>Katherine Dunn: Geek Love. KNOPF, ALFRED A 1989, 1990
>(1117367290); Paperback - 355 pages (August 1993) Warner
>Books; ISBN: 0446391301, List price $13.99
>
>Jewelle Gomez: The Gilda Stories. List Price: $12.95, Paperback -
>256 pages (June 1991), Firebrand Books; ISBN: 093237994X ;
>
>Nicola Griffith and Stephen Pagel (eds.): Bending the Landscape:
>Science Fiction. ISBN: 0879517328, Overlook Press, paperbk
>March 2000, $16.95 (US) list price, 375 pages
>
>Nalo Hopkinson: Midnight Robber. Paperback - 329 pages (March
>2000), Aspect; ISBN: 0446675601, $13.95
>
>Tanith Lee: Biting the Sun. Mass Market Paperback - 400 pages
>(October 5, 1999), Spectra; ISBN: 0553581309, List Price: $5.99
>
>Neal Stephenson: The Diamond Age. List Price: $6.99, Paperback -
>499 pages Reprint edition (March 1996), Bantam Books (Mm);
>ISBN: 0553573314
>
>Sheri S. Tepper: Singer from the Sea. Paperback, ISBN: 0-380-
>79199-4, Avon Science Fiction, March 2000, List price US
>$6.99/CAN $9.99
>
>Katie Waitman: The Divided. 1999, Ballantine (Del Rey). $12.95
>PB.  ISBN 0345414373.
>
>Peter Watts: Starfish. List Price: $6.99, Mass Market Paperback -
>320 pages (February 2000), Tor Books; ISBN: 0812575857
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>
>Petra Mayerhofer
>mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de
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>http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/
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Date:         Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:35:08 -0700
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Thanks to Petra and Terri for the time they invest in the BDG nomination
and tally process!

Maryelizabeth


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>From SF Wire:

3:00pm ET, 5-Apr-00

Le Guin's Lathe Returns To TV

The Lathe of Heaven, the 1980 television movie based on Ursula K. Le
Guin's SF novel of the same name, will return to the airwaves in June
in a digitally remastered version. The film, about a man whose dreams
have the power to reshape reality, will be offered to public
television stations as a 20th anniversary special by WNET in New York
City in association with American Public Television, starting June 1.


The rebroadcast will be accompanied by a new, exclusive interview of
Le Guin by Bill Moyers.

It's the first time the movie--originally produced as part of WNET's
Television Laboratory--has been seen on public television in 20 years,
WNET spokesman Marc Fenton told SCI FI Wire. The movie version of
Lathe is based on Le Guin's best-selling 1971 novel and was called one
of the top 100 greatest works of science fiction by Entertainment
Weekly.

The Lathe of Heaven, which stars Bruce Davison, Kevin Conway and
Margaret Avery, will be made available on home video and DVD in the
fall, Fenton told SCI FI Wire.
