From LISTSERV@listserv.uic.edu Fri Aug 25 10:36:56 2000 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:34:10 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University of Illinois at Chicago (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0005D" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:31:15 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Grete Subject: The Essentials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm relatively new to this list (just hopped in at the tail end of the Remnant Population discussion), and in the short time that I have been around, I have already picked up a wealth of information. I'm also relatively new to science fiction as a genre (I'll admit it - I had pretty much dismissed it as "boys with lasers"), and would be interested to know what y'all think of as the essentials in your feminist sf libraries. If you had to pick, say, three or four books that are terribly important to you, what would they be, and why? I might even take a stab at this one myself; although, having read only about 8 relevant books, I'm not sure that my list would be all that meaningful. Maybe I'll wait a year or so. I look forward to hearing from you all. Thanks, Grete ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:37:12 +1200 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jenny Rankine Subject: [fsff-L] The essentials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFC5FA.83615060" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFC5FA.83615060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thought I'd have a go answering this - of course, it depends on my mood and lots of other things on the day. Joan Slonczewski A Door into Ocean (great depiction of non-violent resistance and green genetic engineering) Ursula Le Guin Left Hand of Darkness (a classic whose flaws raise as many interesting questions as the successes) Joanna Russ The Female Man (another classic, stylistically challenging) Octavia Butler Survivor (cos I've read it time after time) Imago trilogy (cos of the issues it raises about human hierarchy and the alien/human interaction) Suzy McKee Charnas Walk to the End of the World and The Motherlines (wonderful dystopia and satire of the early 70s feminist movement) Sherri Tepper Gate to Women's Country (raises all kinds of questions about how to make change between the sexes) Grass trilogy Marge Piercy Woman on the Edge of Time (utopia and dystopic classic famous for its pronouns) Pamela Sargeant (ed) The Women of Wonder series of short storiy anthologies (eg Russ, When it Changed; Tiptree, Houston, Houston Do you Read?) Marilyn Zimmer Bradley Free Amazons of Darkover (for its inspirational impact on fans) Janrae Frank The Ruined Tower (inspiring fantasy short story - does anyone know of any other writing by this author?) Of course I could go on for ages, but I have to go back to work (southern hemisphere time) Jenny Rankine Auckland, New Zealand ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFC5FA.83615060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [fsff-L] The essentials

I thought I'd have a = go answering this - of course, it depends on my mood and lots of other = things on the day.

Joan Slonczewski =
A Door into Ocean = (great depiction of non-violent resistance and green genetic = engineering)

Ursula Le Guin =
Left Hand of = Darkness (a classic whose flaws raise as many interesting questions as = the successes)

Joanna Russ
The Female Man = (another classic, stylistically challenging)

Octavia = Butler
Survivor (cos I've = read it time after time)
Imago trilogy (cos = of the issues it raises about human hierarchy and the alien/human = interaction)

Suzy McKee = Charnas
Walk to the End of = the World and The Motherlines (wonderful dystopia and satire of the = early 70s feminist movement)

Sherri Tepper
Gate to Women's = Country (raises all kinds of questions about how to make change between = the sexes)
Grass = trilogy

Marge Piercy
Woman on the Edge = of Time (utopia and dystopic classic famous for its pronouns)

Pamela Sargeant (ed) =
The Women of Wonder = series of short storiy anthologies (eg Russ, When it Changed; Tiptree, = Houston, Houston Do you Read?)

Marilyn Zimmer = Bradley
Free Amazons of = Darkover (for its inspirational impact on fans)

Janrae Frank
The Ruined Tower = (inspiring fantasy short story - does anyone know of any other writing = by this author?)

Of course I could go = on for ages, but I have to go back to work (southern hemisphere = time)

Jenny Rankine
Auckland, New = Zealand

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFC5FA.83615060-- ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:01:46 -0400 Reply-To: rudileon@earthlink.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Rudy Leon Organization: Syracuse University Subject: Re: The Essentials In-Reply-To: <20000525013115.29715.qmail@web3901.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 24 May 00, , Grete wrote: > y'all think of as the essentials in your feminist sf > libraries. If you had to pick, say, three or four > books that are terribly important to you, what would > they be, and why? Hmmm... I guess when I bend my brain to it, I start to imagine different contexts to determine importance. In my life/reading enjoyment/impact: _Mists of Avalon_ by Marion Zimmer Bradley _The gate to Women's Country_ by Sheri Tepper (especially as an antidote to/in conjunction with _Handmaids Tale_) _Fifth Sacred Thing_ by Starhawk _Slow River_ by Nicola Griffith For teaching/intellectual enjoyment: Marge Piercy _Woman on the Edge of Time_ Suzy Charnas' Riding Women Trilogy (still haven't read CC!) Tepper's _Gate_ I taught: Sally Gearhart _Wanderground_ Charlotte Perkins Gilman _Herland_ Le Guin _Dispossessed_ Starhawk, Charnas, Tepper, Atwood (mentioned above) and had as 'additional resources': Monique Wittig, Les Guerilleres Joanna Russ, The Female Man Marge Piercy, He, She and It Marion Zimmer Bradley, Thendara House Joan Slonczewski, A Door into Ocean Pamela Sargent, The Shore of Women Dorothy Bryant The Kin of Ata Are Waiting for You Nancy Griffith Ammonite Sheri Tepper, Grass And Octavia Butler should have a place in this this list somewhere, I just haven't read enough of her! What an exciting time you're in for! Two good resources are Laura's 'Beginners Bibliography' at the list page, and the Tiptree winners. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Rudy Leon PhD student Dept. of Religion Syracuse University rudileon@earthlink.net ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:50:20 -0800 Reply-To: shander@cdsnet.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sharon Anderson Subject: Re: Library Essentials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanna Russ, "The Female Man" Ursula LeGuin, "The Left Hand of Darkness" Marge Piercy, "Woman on the Edge of Time" and, for short fiction, which should be represented, Pamela Seargent, the Women of Wonder collection (in whatever form you can get it) ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:55:26 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Trudy Mercer Subject: Re: [fsff-L] The essentials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well Jenny, you put all my essentials on your list. However, for Bradley, I say that the Mists of Avalon is my "essential" and fav, and I'd also add one more by Le Guin: The Dispossessed. I'd also recommend the introductions to Pamela Sargent's Women of Wonder anthologies as a wonderful resource for learning about women writers of SF. Trudy --- Jenny Rankine wrote: > I thought I'd have a go answering this - of course, it depends on my mood > and lots of other things on the day. > > Joan Slonczewski > A Door into Ocean (great depiction of non-violent resistance and green > genetic engineering) > > Ursula Le Guin > Left Hand of Darkness (a classic whose flaws raise as many interesting > questions as the successes) > > Joanna Russ > The Female Man (another classic, stylistically challenging) > > Octavia Butler > Survivor (cos I've read it time after time) > Imago trilogy (cos of the issues it raises about human hierarchy and the > alien/human interaction) > > Suzy McKee Charnas > Walk to the End of the World and The Motherlines (wonderful dystopia and > satire of the early 70s feminist movement) > > Sherri Tepper > Gate to Women's Country (raises all kinds of questions about how to make > change between the sexes) > Grass trilogy > > Marge Piercy > Woman on the Edge of Time (utopia and dystopic classic famous for its > pronouns) > > Pamela Sargeant (ed) > The Women of Wonder series of short storiy anthologies (eg Russ, When it > Changed; Tiptree, Houston, Houston Do you Read?) > > Marilyn Zimmer Bradley > Free Amazons of Darkover (for its inspirational impact on fans) > > Janrae Frank > The Ruined Tower (inspiring fantasy short story - does anyone know of any > other writing by this author?) > > Of course I could go on for ages, but I have to go back to work (southern > hemisphere time) > > Jenny Rankine > Auckland, New Zealand > ===== *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Trudy Mercer tmercer00@yahoo.com http://geocities.com/SoHo/Study/9137/ *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:53:11 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Emily Patrick Subject: Re: [fsff-L] The essentials In-Reply-To: <1168B489A818D411AD7F00508B2E335004FE65@HRC02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 May 2000, Jenny Rankine wrote: > Janrae Frank > The Ruined Tower (inspiring fantasy short story - does anyone know of any > other writing by this author?) No, but according to Jessica Amanda Salmonson, The Ruined Tower is a fragment of Frank's "Tomyris Saga", which has never found a publisher. I would like to read the rest of it myself. - emily ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:45:39 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jocelyn & Sheryl Subject: Re: [fsff-L] The essentials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01BFC62D.FC2B7E40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BFC62D.FC2B7E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OH, and p.s. to everyone---Butler's Xenogenesis trilogy is about to be = re-issued as a one-volume set. It's called _Lilith's Brood_, and will = be released in a month or two. Sheryl -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Rankine To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU = Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:40 PM Subject: [*FSF-L*] [fsff-L] The essentials =20 =20 I thought I'd have a go answering this - of course, it depends on my = mood and lots of other things on the day.=20 Joan Slonczewski=20 A Door into Ocean (great depiction of non-violent resistance and = green genetic engineering)=20 Ursula Le Guin=20 Left Hand of Darkness (a classic whose flaws raise as many = interesting questions as the successes)=20 Joanna Russ=20 The Female Man (another classic, stylistically challenging)=20 Octavia Butler=20 Survivor (cos I've read it time after time)=20 Imago trilogy (cos of the issues it raises about human hierarchy and = the alien/human interaction)=20 Suzy McKee Charnas=20 Walk to the End of the World and The Motherlines (wonderful dystopia = and satire of the early 70s feminist movement)=20 Sherri Tepper=20 Gate to Women's Country (raises all kinds of questions about how to = make change between the sexes)=20 Grass trilogy=20 Marge Piercy=20 Woman on the Edge of Time (utopia and dystopic classic famous for = its pronouns)=20 Pamela Sargeant (ed)=20 The Women of Wonder series of short storiy anthologies (eg Russ, = When it Changed; Tiptree, Houston, Houston Do you Read?) Marilyn Zimmer Bradley=20 Free Amazons of Darkover (for its inspirational impact on fans)=20 Janrae Frank=20 The Ruined Tower (inspiring fantasy short story - does anyone know = of any other writing by this author?)=20 Of course I could go on for ages, but I have to go back to work = (southern hemisphere time)=20 Jenny Rankine=20 Auckland, New Zealand=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BFC62D.FC2B7E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [fsff-L] The = essentials
OH, and p.s. to everyone---Butler's = Xenogenesis=20 trilogy is about to be re-issued as a one-volume set.  It's called=20 _Lilith's Brood_, and will be released in a month or two.
Sheryl
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Jenny Rankine <JRankine@HRC.GOVT.NZ>
T= o:=20 FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.U= IC.EDU=20 <FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.U= IC.EDU>
Date:=20 Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:40 PM
Subject: [*FSF-L*] = [fsff-L]=20 The essentials

I thought I'd have a = go answering=20 this - of course, it depends on my mood and lots of other things on = the=20 day.

Joan Slonczewski =
A Door into Ocean (great = depiction of=20 non-violent resistance and green genetic engineering)

Ursula Le Guin =
Left Hand of Darkness (a = classic whose flaws=20 raise as many interesting questions as the successes)

Joanna Russ =
The Female Man (another = classic,=20 stylistically challenging)

Octavia Butler =
Survivor (cos I've read it = time after=20 time)
Imago = trilogy (cos of=20 the issues it raises about human hierarchy and the alien/human=20 interaction)

Suzy McKee = Charnas
Walk to the End of the World = and The=20 Motherlines (wonderful dystopia and satire of the early 70s feminist = movement)

Sherri Tepper =
Gate to Women's Country = (raises all kinds of=20 questions about how to make change between the sexes) =
Grass trilogy

Marge Piercy =
Woman on the Edge of Time = (utopia and=20 dystopic classic famous for its pronouns)

Pamela Sargeant (ed)=20
The Women of = Wonder series=20 of short storiy anthologies (eg Russ, When it Changed; Tiptree, = Houston,=20 Houston Do you Read?)

Marilyn Zimmer = Bradley=20
Free Amazons of = Darkover (for its=20 inspirational impact on fans)

Janrae Frank =
The Ruined Tower (inspiring = fantasy short=20 story - does anyone know of any other writing by this = author?)

Of course I could go = on for ages,=20 but I have to go back to work (southern hemisphere time)

Jenny Rankine =
Auckland, New Zealand=20

------=_NextPart_000_004D_01BFC62D.FC2B7E40-- ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:40:07 EDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Glenda Alexander Subject: Re: FEMINISTSF-LIT Digest - 24 May 2000 to 25 May 2000 (#2000-83) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sheryl writes: << Butler's Xenogenesis trilogy is about to be = re-issued as a one-volume set. It's called _Lilith's Brood_, and will = be released in a month or two. >> Cover art having improved somewhat in the sci-fi genre, maybe this time the publisher will put something besides nekkid babes on the cover of the trilogy, unlike the jacket on the copy of Dawn I checked out from the library. But the really ironic thing about the picture, which typically relates very loosely to the content, is that both the babes in the picture are white. As an artist, I really like to see illustrations that look like the artist read the book. Glenda ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:14:43 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sandy Candioglos Subject: Re: FEMINISTSF-LIT Digest - 24 May 2000 to 25 May 2000(#2000-83) Comments: To: glendaalex@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Cover art having improved somewhat in the sci-fi genre, maybe this time the > publisher will put something besides nekkid babes on the cover of the > trilogy, unlike the jacket on the copy of Dawn I checked out from the > library. But the really ironic thing about the picture, which typically > relates very loosely to the content, is that both the babes in the picture > are white. As an artist, I really like to see illustrations that look like > the artist read the book. > > Glenda In this case, it's already been done, for the 1997 mass-market release of the three separate books; your library probably had an older editon. They're still nekkid, but they sure aren't white babes! :) http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0446603775.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0446603783.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0446603635.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif -Sandy ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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In the case of Imago, I believe the figure is meant to be an ooloi--neither male nor female, but with all disturbing appendages out of the picture, except for a couple of tasteful antennae. :-) Glenda In a message dated 5/28/2000 1:07:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU writes: << In this case, it's already been done, for the 1997 mass-market release of the three separate books; your library probably had an older editon. They're still nekkid, but they sure aren't white babes! :) http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0446603775.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0446603783.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0446603635.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif -Sandy >> ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:07:36 +0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jane Fletcher Subject: Re: The Essentials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Grete wrote <<. I'm also relatively new to science fiction as a genre ...... and would be interested to know what y'all think of as the essentials in your feminist sf libraries. If you had to pick, say, three or four books that are terribly important to you, what would they be, and why?>> Four books? Now there's a challenge. I would say that Joanna Russ, "The Female Man" and Ursula LeGuin, "The Left Hand of Darkness" have to be there, not because they are necessarily the best but because they are the two big ones. I think both books have been on everyone else's lists so far. So it's just the other two spots to argue over. Personally I would give them to Theodore Sturgeon's 'Venus Plus X', for its 'historical' perspective (published 1960). and its pioneering influence on everything that has come after. The last place I'd give to Marilyn Zimmer Bradley's 'The Shattered Chain', just because it's fun to read, and looking back on my involvement with the Woman's Liberation Movement in the 70's I feel that the importance of having fun for its own sake was not always given the importance it deserved. Jane ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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