From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:48:48 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:38:31 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0101B" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:47:52 +0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Angela Barclay Subject: on trying to pin down Carter Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Michelle Taylor wrote: > >Of all of Carter's works, I think Passion of New Eve certainly comes closest >to being 'Sci Fi', though I wondered at the time if she was in fact >parodying certain aspects of Fem Sci Fi (in the nicest possible way!) In >particular, the moments when Evelyn is turned into Eve, and Eves >relationship with Tristessa (a woman-man and a man-woman who both look like >women, but are in fact, both men). I am not sure I would class any of >Carter's other work as Sci-Fi, though the part about the prison for women >who had murdered their husbands in Nights at The Circus seemed slightly Sci >Fi. It is said that while she made free use of the tropes deriving from science fiction, was guest of honor at SF conventions and taught writing to a number of later influential figures in the SF world, Angela Carter was at no time a "science fiction writer". I haven't read _The Passion of New Eve_ (1977) but I thoroughly enjoyed _Heroes and Villains_ (1969) and would place it on the science fiction shelves, as opposed to the "adventure" or "magical romance" section as is suggested on the book jacket. As our recent conversations about the distinctions between fantasy and science fiction and magic realism point out, however, perhaps Angela Carter's work is best considered a pastiche of motifs from many genre. _Heroes and Villians_: In this surreal, postmodernist literary commentary on the cold war era, a post-apocalyptic society is divided into endlessly warring factions. At the top of the pecking order are the Professors who cling to the knowledge of the past, then come the Soldiers who heartlessly maintain what is left of civilization, next is a very colorful and superstitious band of barbarians, and last the deformed and diseased Out People, who struggle to survive in a netherworld of incinerated cities. The plot revolves around the violently passionate union of a professor's daughter and a beautiful barbarian boy. In the course of the story the protagonist discovers her own capacity for barbarism and learns to rule by wit rather than inheritance or marriage. At the same time I would recommend _Heroes and Villains_ (and point out that it was similar to John Wyndham's The Chrysalids) I would caution listmembers that the book has been criticized for its violent sexuality and that some have gone as far as to call it a rape fantasy. Others have suggested that the rapist , like so many other male characters in Carter's work is a creature of the Id, and since the woman triumphs over him, this is a power fantasy and not a rape fantasy. Angela, who is glad to be talking with some other Carter fans ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:03:17 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: eva Subject: suggestions for comics & graphic novels? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i consider myself a bit of a comic book geek, although my geek-dom has waned in recent years. today i was looking at the comics & graphic novels section on the femsf website (http://www.feministsf.org/femsf/comix.html). i started racking my brains for good feminist SFF titles, and to my dismay realized i could hardly think of any. feminist comics? sure. SFF comics? sure. feminist SFF comics? hmmm.... i shot off a quick IM to a friend of mine who's considerably more serious about his comic book geek status. his suggestions (keeping in mind that he tends to be a lot more generous in his definition of "feminist" than i would be): finder castle waiting rumble girls ("maybe, maybe not") i've never read any of the above series, but i'm going to borrow some of them this week and take a look. is anyone else familiar with them? or does anyone have any other suggestions? the bros. hernandez, maybe... -> eva -- http://mrow.net ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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OK, so it's not a comic, but it is graphic ;) Kate >From: eva >Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC > >To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU >Subject: [*FSF-L*] suggestions for comics & graphic novels? >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:03:17 -0800 > >i consider myself a bit of a comic book geek, although my geek-dom has >waned in recent years. today i was looking at the comics & graphic novels >section on the femsf website (http://www.feministsf.org/femsf/comix.html). >i started racking my brains for good feminist SFF titles, and to my dismay >realized i could hardly think of any. feminist comics? sure. SFF >comics? sure. feminist SFF comics? hmmm.... > >i shot off a quick IM to a friend of mine who's considerably more serious >about his comic book geek status. his suggestions (keeping in mind that >he tends to be a lot more generous in his definition of "feminist" than i >would be): > >finder >castle waiting >rumble girls ("maybe, maybe not") > >i've never read any of the above series, but i'm going to borrow some of >them this week and take a look. is anyone else familiar with them? >or does anyone have any other suggestions? the bros. hernandez, maybe... > >-> eva > >-- >http://mrow.net > >------------------------------------------------------ >This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > >Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:43:41 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Re: suggestions for comics & graphic novels? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eva: I'm still undecided about "Rumble Girls," but think Lea Hernandez's earlier "steampunk" works, especially "Clockwork Angels," qualifies. I'd also toss out Mark Crilley's "Akiko" as a definite possibility. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:27:17 +0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Dale Edmonds Subject: Re: suggestions for comics & graphic novels? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Qualifying as a horror-fantasy comic would be "House of Secrets", which was a Vertigo series that ran for about 20 issues and then was cancelled. It did have some trade paperbacks of the earlier issues. It has Rain, a runaway in Seattle, moving into a haunted house where she has to judge the damned - moves through history, has ghosts, demons etc. and had wonderful characters, great art - I wish it'd run through because it was a pretty complex plot and didn't conclude. Included rape, child abuse, drug use, and had Rain as a strong heroine and other female characters, all well-thought out. Fantasy comics with strong female characters or feminist issues: Hellblazer: The Restoration Comedy, a recent four-part Vertigo mini from the long running Hellblazer series (John Constantine, the cockney magician who's quite horrible - has v. strong minded girlfriends who usually die or leave him) which was set in the future, in a SF London - Diana culthood, genetic therepy and John screwing up the monarchy again. Wonderful, funny and cruel, with two dyke heroines. Books of Magic as fantasy had Molly, the girlfriend of Tim Hunter, who was more than equal to him, and also had quite a few strong female characters, especially Titania. There's also Tom Strong and the rest of Alan Moore's new comic series (I think the print is called Best American) - fantastic. I cannot say enough good things about them. Tom Strong is in the future, and has a superhero (white, raised by apes aka Tarzan) who married the local black priestess, fights crime with his family. There's Top Ten, the police series of superheroes (SF) which has a lesbian, about equal numbers women/men cops. There's Princess Patagonia (I think that's it) who's a symbol of female power through literature and medicine who posseses women and travels through dimensions, set in the future also (Much better than it sounds) And then there's the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Which is a Victorian pastiche - funny, lots of in-jokes and quite quite cruelly accurate to the cliches - which has an amazingly vicious female heroine, based on Lucy Harker (?), the wife of the Dracula guy. She's left him and is seriously pissed at the world. That's a mix of SF, fantasy and history. Amazing. I don't think Strangers in Paradise counts as SF, but hell, it's great anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Edmonds dale@oggham.com ---------- >From: eva >To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU >Subject: [*FSF-L*] suggestions for comics & graphic novels? >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:03 PM > > i consider myself a bit of a comic book geek, although my geek-dom has > waned in recent years. today i was looking at the comics & graphic novels > section on the femsf website (http://www.feministsf.org/femsf/comix.html). > i started racking my brains for good feminist SFF titles, and to my dismay > realized i could hardly think of any. feminist comics? sure. SFF > comics? sure. feminist SFF comics? hmmm.... > > i shot off a quick IM to a friend of mine who's considerably more serious > about his comic book geek status. his suggestions (keeping in mind that > he tends to be a lot more generous in his definition of "feminist" than i > would be): > > finder > castle waiting > rumble girls ("maybe, maybe not") > > i've never read any of the above series, but i'm going to borrow some of > them this week and take a look. is anyone else familiar with them? > or does anyone have any other suggestions? the bros. hernandez, maybe... > > -> eva > > -- > http://mrow.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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