From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:48:53 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:38:32 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0101C" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:40:22 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nomination Period Opened MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The present discussion is rather quiet, but otherwise BDG discussions have fortunately picked up again after the low tide last year. Let's hope it stays that way. It's again time to select 4 books for the BDG (March to June). Please send in your nominations. The nomination period is open until Sunday, 21 January (incl.). I will post the final nomination list next Monday (1/22) and then we have one week of voting (until Sunday, 1/28). Terri Wakefield will handle the votes. Please don't hesitate to continue posting on _Nights at the Circus_ because of the nominations. There's no reason why the discussion and the nominations cannot be done in parallel. Books can be nominated that fulfill the following criteria: - speculative fiction (science fiction, fantasy, horror, etc.) - feminist (loose definition, nominators do _not_ have to have read the book already, it is enough if the story outline, reviews, or general reputation indicate that the book might be of interest from a feminist perspective) - currently available in the US (in English ;-) ) as mass market or trade paperback. Nominated books can be novels, collections and anthologies. If you nominate a collection or an anthology please specify which stories in particular you think the group should discuss (especially if it's a large one). During the nomination period, you can nominate one book per person, by sending email to the FeministSF-Lit list with "BDG Nomination" in the subject line. Please confirm the availability of any title before nominating it by contacting Maryelizabeth at Mysterious Galaxy (http://www.mystgalaxy.com/), by looking it up on Amazon.com or by enquiring at a near-by bookstore. With the nomination members should provide the following information: - author - title - publisher - list price - ISBN For example: Nalo Hopkinson: Brown Girl in the Ring. (July 1998). Warner Books; ISBN: 0446674338, List Price: $12.99 Nominations without this information are returned to the nominator. If somebody has for any reason difficulties confirming availability (e.g. non-US residents without full internet access) I am very ready to help them (please contact me off-list). Nominators of books finally selected are expected to kick-off the discussion when their books are due for discussion. Nominators can do this any way they want. We will contact successful nominators before we fix the BDG schedule for March to June so that we can take your time constraints into account. I handle the nominations and continuously update the nomination webpage (see http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0101.htm ). Especially for the newcomers I want to stress: The BDG is one (and only one) feature of the feministsf-lit. It's purpose is to focus discussion on a particular book at a particular time. Other books can be discussed in parallel to the BDG, of course, and past and future BDG books can be discussed at any time on the list. The only difference to a 'normal' list discussion is that in BDG messages spoilers (for the BDG book under discussion) have not to be pointed out (the 'BDG' in the subject line is the actual spoiler warning). I recommend that newcomers look up the selection procedure, old nomination lists, the archives and the purpose of the BDG at the BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:55:14 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Comments: Sender has elected to use 8-bit data in this message. If problems arise, refer to postmaster at sender's site. From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT I nominate Pat Murphy: The Falling Woman. List Price: $11.95, Paperback, Reprint edition (August 1993), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312854064. First published in 1986. I liked Murphy's _The City, Not Long After_ and I would like to read more by her. In an anecdote Pat Murphy related that an aquaintance told her that he admired the book very much, but it had one fault: there was no significant male protagonist. All important protagonists were women. _The Falling Woman_ won the 1987 Nebula Award. Reviews are rather mixed. I highlight the more positive: Under the covers review by Paul Lappen http://www.silcom.com/~manatee/murphy_falling.html (Highly Recommended) "Elizabeth Butler is the leader of an archaeological dig on the site of an ancient Mayan city on the present-day Yucatan Peninsula. She basically ran away from home years before, leaving a husband and young daughter, because she was very uncomfortable as a wife and mother. One day, Diane, her daughter, now grown up, arrives at the site to try to connect with the mother she never knew, and to tell Elizabeth of the death of her ex-husband. Because of Elizabeth's inexperience as a mother, the relationship between the two is strained. Back at the Mayan city, Elizabeth has somehow acquired the ability to see ghosts, or shadows, of the people who lived there centuries before. She is actually able to converse with one of them, a Mayan priestess. The Mayan calendar consists of several cycles at the same time. The very bad part of the calendar is approaching; to appease the Mayan gods, a human sacrifice is expected from Elizabeth. This is an excellent novel. It is a very good mixture of myth and reality, of ancient and present-day culture, with a bit of fantasy and horror included. Here is a brilliant piece of writing." The Linköping Science Fiction & Fantasy Archive (review by Evelyn C. Leeper) http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/sf- texts/books/M/Murphy,Pat.mbox#6890@pbhyc.PacBell.COM "This book won the 1988 Nebula and deservedly so. It is a fantasy, but not one of those Tolkienesque elves-or-what-have-you-on-a- quest-to-save-the-world-from-the-ultimate -evil sort of novel. (No slur towards Tolkien--he did it early and he did it better. But, oh the imitators he spawned!) THE FALLING WOMAN is about an archaeologist who is very involved with her work, so much so that she communicates with the spirits of those who lived and died where she is digging. Her work takes her to Dzibilchaltun in the Yucatan where she is visited by the spirit of a long- dead priestess. How she deals with this is the meat of the novel. There is not a lot of action, but there is a lot of thoughtful character development and a good use of the Mayan setting. As a well-written, literate fantasy, this is hard to beat." Further reviews: by Michael Rawdon http://surfin.spies.com/~rawdon/books/sf/murphy.html Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:12:36 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Kirsten Hoyte Subject: BDG Nomination Period In-Reply-To: <3A62FDC4.28626.7EFF6C@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd like to nominate The Gumshoe, the Witch, and the Virtual Corpse by Keith Hartman Meisha Merlin Publishing; ISBN: 1892065053; List Price $16.00 I read this book quite a while ago, but I still pull it out every so often for a chuckle. There is also a lot of social commentary in it and a unique vision of a near-future Atlanta. One of the reasons why I wanted to discuss it is because I liked the politics in it but was unsure of my thoughts about some of the characterizations. I am curious to hear other folks' opinions. The book is a page turner certainly once you get used to the jumpy multiple point-of-view style. Kirsten All the quotes below are from Amazon "The date is September 2024. Atlanta is a patchwork of subcultures, coexisting but not communicating. Young gays are all Catholic; since the gay gene was identified, others countenance abortion in the case of homosexuality. Baptists, represented by televangelist media mogul and U.S. Senator Zachary Stonewall, denounce Wiccans as Satanists (along with most other denominations). The Wiccans worship naked, though, and Wiccan magick actually works. The Cherokee made their pile in casino gambling and seek a return to Native culture in Northern Georgia, led by a cross-dressing shaman who actually sees the spirit world. That's the backdrop for The Gumshoe, The Witch, and The Virtual Corpse, a noir mystery-thriller with SF and fantasy elements^Å" Charles de Lint, The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, June 1999 "If you can get past the unwieldy (and rather too cutesy) title, there's a fine debut novel by Keith Hartman. What kind of novel I'm at a little of a loss to say. Equal arguments can be made that it's a police procedural, a contemporary Wiccan fantasy, a gay PI novel, a near future sf thriller, a novel of social commentary, and even, in the sections from the point of view of one character, a YA coming of age story. In the end, it's a bit of them all, I suppose, which is part of what made me enjoy it so much. I love a book that breaks down the walls between genres, that just tells a story, the author trusting himself and the story enough to let it go wherever it leads him. " Oh yes, I enjoyed this novel. Very much. It's a deft, unusual combination of mystery, social commentary, fantasy, and humor. I couldn't have told you where it was going until the last chapter, but I kept reading faster and faster find out. --P.C. Hodgell A Fabulous romp-- with some sharp edges. --Nicola Griffith Liked his hero, loved his plot, and envied his style --Mike Resnick Witty, inventive, and endlessly entertaining, Hartman's debut novel seamlessly weaves the plausible and the outrageous, the hilarious and the fearful. This is an amazing book. --Nancy Kress This is a wonderful first novel by an exciting new author. I look forward to seeing more of his work. --Lee Killough Compelling and engrossing, this book grabbed me and didn't let go until long after the end. --Nina Kiriki Hoffman ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:15:36 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Laura Quilter Subject: Re: suggestions for comics & graphic novels? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey, i took the comics suggestions y'all made & added them to the web page - does anyone want to volunteer to come up with more, or better bibliographic information for these titles? On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Kate Dall wrote: > I assume _Tank Girl_ is off the list? > > And what does everyone think of _Aeon Flux_? OK, so it's not a comic, but it > is graphic ;) > > Kate > > >From: eva > >Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC > > > >To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU > >Subject: [*FSF-L*] suggestions for comics & graphic novels? > >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:03:17 -0800 > > > >i consider myself a bit of a comic book geek, although my geek-dom has > >waned in recent years. today i was looking at the comics & graphic novels > >section on the femsf website (http://www.feministsf.org/femsf/comix.html). > >i started racking my brains for good feminist SFF titles, and to my dismay > >realized i could hardly think of any. feminist comics? sure. SFF > >comics? sure. feminist SFF comics? hmmm.... > > > >i shot off a quick IM to a friend of mine who's considerably more serious > >about his comic book geek status. his suggestions (keeping in mind that > >he tends to be a lot more generous in his definition of "feminist" than i > >would be): > > > >finder > >castle waiting > >rumble girls ("maybe, maybe not") > > > >i've never read any of the above series, but i'm going to borrow some of > >them this week and take a look. is anyone else familiar with them? > >or does anyone have any other suggestions? the bros. hernandez, maybe... > > > >-> eva > > > >-- > >http://mrow.net > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > > >Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Laura Quilter / lquilter@exo.net ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:33:00 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: eva Subject: Re: suggestions for comics & graphic novels? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Laura Quilter wrote: > hey, i took the comics suggestions y'all made & added them to the web page > - does anyone want to volunteer to come up with more, or better > bibliographic information for these titles? sure--give me a day or so and i can dig up bibliographic information and better descriptions. quick correction: my friend informs me that alan moore's _princess patagonia_ referred to in an earlier email is actually titled _promethea_. quick additions: i would add some of neil gaiman's _sandman_ story arcs (particularly "a game of you" and "death: the time of your life") as well as gilbert & jaime hernandez' _love and rockets_. -> eva -- http://mrow.net ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:42:55 -0800 Reply-To: shander@cdsnet.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sharon Anderson Subject: Re: BDG Nomination Period Opened MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just tried three times to send a message, and have reason to believe it was refused. SO, 1) Can someone tell me how to post to this list? (My hard drive got fried and I lost my address book.) 2) Can someone send me the website for Amazon.com (Same reason.) --- ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:22:13 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Re: suggestions for comics & graphic novels? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone want to read some or all of these for BDG? Just a thought. Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:13:45 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Misha Bernard Subject: Re: BDG Nomination In-Reply-To: <3A62FDC4.28626.7EFF6C@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well thinking ahead to WisCon, I'd like to nominate something by Nancy Kress. _Beggars in Spain_ is available in mass market paperback (about $6US) and audio cassette Mass Market Paperback Reprint edition (March 1994) Avon; ISBN: 0380718774 I've read the novella/short story from _Beakers Dozen_ "Beggars in Spain" and found it interesting enough to want to start the trilogy. _Beggars_ is the FIRST book, and would be about what happens when parents can select to have genetically modified children (who become adults) who don't require sleep and their interactions with the rest of the world. Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University ------------------------- -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:25:00 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Sara H. Brosnan" Subject: BDG Nomination Period In-Reply-To: <3A62FDC4.28626.7EFF6C@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Octavia Bulter: Dawn ( ). Warner Books; ISBN:0446603775, List Price: 6.50 ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:40:20 +0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Castiello=20Restituta?= Subject: BDG Nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I nominate: Octavia Butler, Lilith's Brood published by Warner Books - ISBN: 0446676101 retail price: 13.95, available at Barnes and Noble Restituta ______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:58:05 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Joyce Jones Subject: BDG nominations I want to nominate: The moon and the sun by Vonda Mcintyre Below is from the Powell's bookstore page In stock Ships in 1 to 3 days $7.95 HARDCOVER, USED (I got mine in paperback, so it's out there) ISBN: 0671567659 Publisher: Pocket Books Subject: France Subject: Fiction Subject: Historical Subject: Fantasy - Historical Subject: Sea monsters -- Fiction. Publication Date: September 1997 More About this Book Review from Kirkus Reviews, 07/01/1997: "A dazzling and spirited evocation of the passions, intrigues, and, preconceptions of the age, along with a dandy pair of misfit, star-crossed lovers: an enchanting slice of what-if historical speculation." Review from Locus: "...Vonda N. McIntyre is anything but a standard fantasist....[She] has the skills to explore matters sociological, theological, and thoroughly 'outre', in the course of an absorbing, sometimes harrowing, adventure....[A] genuinely impressive novel." -- Faren Miller Review: A successful sf writer takes a stab at alternate history in this Gothic tale featuring a captured sea monster in 17th-century France. Review: Inspired by tales of ancient sea-monsters, McIntyre (The Crystal Star) spins a marvelous alternative-history fable about greed and goodness, power and pathos set at the 17th century court of Louis XIV, France's glittering Sun King. At breathtaking (and chilly) Versailles, Louis pays for his glory by sacrificing his comfort and privacy. He lusts after bodily immortality and unending treasure, and he hopes to find both by devouring the entrails of a sea-woman trapped by Jesuit explorer Yves de la Croix. Enthralled by the creature's songs and telepathic tales, Yves's musician sister Marie-Jos phe must defy brother, king and pope to save the sea-woman from the court butcher. Marie-Jos phe isn't alone in her proto-ecofeminist struggle. She finds an ally (and lover) in Lucien, Comte de Chr^Âtien, a great-hearted dwarf whose inner pain and essential nobility recall Cyrano and Quasimodo. Drawing on deep research (detailed in an afterword), McIntyre vividly re-creates a Versailles poised on the cusp between alchemy and modern science. Her imaginings enliven her history with wonder, but, as in the best fantasy, they serve less to dazzle by their inventiveness than to illuminate brilliantly real-world truthss here, humanity's responses, base and noble, when confronting the unknown. (Sept.) Joyce ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:23:50 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Comments: Sender has elected to use 8-bit data in this message. If problems arise, refer to postmaster at sender's site. From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nominations - Intermediate list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT So far 6 books have been nominated (see list below). I encourage you to add to that. Don't hesitate to re-nominate. In many of the selection rounds so far the ballots were close. Your nominations might have lost by 1 or 2 votes. Books can be nominated until 21 January (incl.). We have the unusual situation that both _Dawn_ and _Lilith's Brood_ by Octavia Butler are nominated. _Lilith's Brood_ is an omnibus of the ^ÓXenogenesis^Ô trilogy, incl. _Dawn_ (!), _Adulthood Rites_, and _Imago_. I don't know whether the second nominator was aware of this. Of course, we can just leave it at that. We have the rule that "If multiple works by a single author are nominated, all votes for that author's works are counted together; if the total votes for the author's works are among the four highest, then the book by that author with the most votes is selected for discussion." However, I am concerned that _Lilith's Brood_ (3 novels, 784 pages in total) is a bit long for one BDG discussion (on the other hand, probably a significant part of the list members knows the whole trilogy already). The alternative would be to withdraw one Butler book, i.e. Lilith's Brood. I tend to just leave it as it is and let the votes decide. But I'd like to have some feedback on this, especially from the 2 nominators. Petra Books nominated (17 January): Octavia Bulter: Dawn. Warner Books; ISBN:0446603775, List Price: 6.50 $ Octavia Butler: Lilith's Brood. Published by Warner Books - ISBN: 0446676101, retail price: 13.95 Keith Hartman: The Gumshoe, the Witch, and the Virtual Corpse. Meisha Merlin Publishing; ISBN: 1892065053; List Price $16.00 Nancy Kress: Beggars in Spain. Mass Market Paperback Reprint edition (March 1994), Avon; ISBN: 0380718774, $6.99US, also available as audio cassette Vonda N. McIntyre: The Moon and the Sun. List Price: $6.99, Mass Market Paperback - 496 pages (September 1998), Pocket Books; ISBN: 0671567667 Pat Murphy: The Falling Woman. List Price: $11.95, Paperback, Reprint edition (August 1993), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312854064. First published in 1986. Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:43:34 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nominations Intermediate - Corrections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'm getting old. _Dawn_ by Octavia Butler was the BDG book in February 2000 (see http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/archives/bdg_dawn.t xt for the discussion archive). That means it cannot be nominated again. The nomination of _Lilith's Brood_ stands. However, _Lilith's Brood_ in total might be a bit long. Opinions on that? Please excuse this confusion. Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:21:52 EST Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Phoebe Wray Subject: Re: BDG Nominations Intermediate - Corrections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/01 5:44:29 AM, mayerhof@USF.UNI-KASSEL.DE writes: << I'm getting old. >> We all are, Petra, so you're in good company. Didn't we already read The Moon and the Sun? I know it has been discussed on this list. best, phoebe w ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:36:15 +0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Castiello=20Restituta?= Subject: Re: BDG Nominations Intermediate - Corrections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was aware that Lilith's brood was the complete trilogy of Octavia E. Butler and I also remembered that Dawn was already nominated and discussed. At the time of that nomination, though, many complained that the trilogy couldn't be discussed as a whole. I thought we could take the chance to do it now since the trilgy has been republished in one book. I'm sorry if my nomination caused so much confusion. Restituta --- Petra Mayerhofer ha scritto: > I'm getting old. > > _Dawn_ by Octavia Butler was the BDG book in > February 2000 > (see > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/archives/bdg_dawn.t > xt for the discussion archive). > > That means it cannot be nominated again. The > nomination of > _Lilith's Brood_ stands. However, _Lilith's Brood_ > in total might be > a bit long. Opinions on that? > > Please excuse this confusion. > > Petra > > Petra Mayerhofer > mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de > -- > BDG website > http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only > for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the > message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if > there are problems. ______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:13:29 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Lyla Miklos Subject: I have some nominations too! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here are some books I would like to investigate and discuss: Sharyn McCrumb's "Bimbos of the Deathsun" Published by Ballantine Books ISBN 0-345-41215-X copyright ??? US $5.99 Can $6.99 WINNER OF THE EDGAR AWARD! Description from Amazon.com: For one fateful weekend, the annual science fiction and fantasy convention, Rubicon, has all but taken over a usually ordinary hotel. Now the halls are alive with Trekkies, tech nerds, and fantasy gamers in their Viking finery *all of them eager to hail their hero, bestselling fantasy author Appin Dungannon: a diminutive despot whose towering ego more than compensates for his 5' 1" height . . . and whose gleeful disdain for his fawning fans is legendary. Hurling insults and furniture with equal abandon, the terrible, tiny author proceeds to alienate ersatz aliens and make-believe warriors at warp speed. But somewhere between the costume contest and the exhibition Dungeons & Dragons game, Dungannon gets done in. While die-hard fans of Dungannon's seemingly endless sword-and-sorcery series wonder how they'll go on and hucksters wonder how much they can get for the dead man's autograph, a hapless cop wonders, Who would want to kill Appin Dungannon? But the real question, as the harried convention organizers know, is Who wouldn't ? Comments from moi: You will piss yourself from laughing so hard reading this book. Ursula K. Leguin's "Always Coming Home" Published by Harper & Row ISBN 0-06-015456-X copyright 1985 $ ??? Description from Amazon.com: Ursula Le Guin's Always Coming Home is a major work of the imagination from one of America's most respected writers of science fiction. More than five years in the making, it is a novel unlike any other. A rich and complex interweaving of story and fable, poem, artwork, and music, it totally immerses the reader in the culture of the Kesh, a peaceful people of the far future who inhabit a place called the Valley on the Northern Pacific Coast. Mary Doria Russel's "The Sparrow" Published by Ballantine copyright 1996 ISBN 0-449-91255-8 US $12 Can $16.95 Description from Amazon.com: In 2019, humanity finally finds proof of extraterrestrial life when a listening post in Puerto Rico picks up exquisite singing from a planet which will come to be known as Rakhat. While United Nations diplomats endlessly debate a possible first contact mission, the Society of Jesus quietly organizes an eight-person scientific expedition of its own. What the Jesuits find is a world so beyond comprehension that it will lead them to question the meaning of being "human." When the lone survivor of the expedition, Emilio Sandoz, returns to Earth in 2059, he will try to explain what went wrong... Words like "provocative" and "compelling" will come to mind as you read this shocking novel about first contact with a race that creates music akin to both poetry and prayer. This strange, ambitious science fiction novel has already won enough attention for its first-time author to make it a selection by both the Book of the Month and QPB clubs. Father Emilio Sandoz, a Jesuit linguist, heads a team of scientists and explorers on an expedition to the planet Rakhat, where contact has been established with two apparently primitive races, the Runa and the Jana'ata. The narrative shifts back and forth between 2016, when contact is first made, and 2060, to a Vatican inquest interrogating the maimed and broken Sandoz. A paleoanthropologist, Russell makes the descriptions of the inhabitants of Rakhat both convincing and unsettling. Virginia Woolf's "Orlando" Published by Harcourt Brace copyright 1928 ISBN 0-15-670160-X US $10.95 Can $14.25 Decription from Amazon.com: Amazon.com In 1928, way before everyone else was talking about gender-bending and way, way before the terrific movie with Tilda Swinton, Virginia Woolf wrote her comic masterpiece, a fantastic, fanciful love letter disguised as a biography, to Vita Sackville-West. Orlando enters the book as an Elizabethan nobleman and leaves the book three centuries and one change of gender later as a liberated woman of the 1920s. Along the way this most rambunctious of Woolf's characters engages in sword fights, trades barbs with 18th century wits, has a baby, and drives a car. This is a deliriously written, breathless-making book and a classic both of lesbian literature and the Western canon. Margaret Wander Bonano's "Strangers From The Sky" A Star Trek Pocketbook publiched by Simon and Schuster Copyright 1993 ISBN 0-671-64049-6 US $4.95 - although I suspect it is more now Description from Amazon.com: In the twenty-first centruy humanity has united after countless years of warfare, and turns toward the stars. But when an alien spacecraft crashlands in the South Pacific bearing visitors from another world, the Vulcans, Earth must decide whether to extend the hand of friendship, or the fist of war. In the distant future, horrible dreams torment Admiral James T. Kirk, dreams prompted by his reading of Strangers From the Sky, a book about that historic first contact. He dreams of an alternate reality where he somehow changed the course of history, and destroyed the Federation before it began.END Comments from moi: This is one of my fave Star Trek books, back when they pushed the envelope and took our beloved Star Trek characters where they truly never went before. This is a fun absorbing read chocked full of interesting characters both familiar and new. Thoose are my nominations. Lyla Miklos __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:19:03 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Janice E. Dawley" Subject: BDG Nomination Last year saw the reprinting of another classic of feminist science fiction, which I would like to nominate for discussion: *The Northern Girl*, by Elizabeth A. Lynn 470 pages, ISBN: 0441007279, List Price: $14 The back cover describes it: "At a time when the use of weapons has been forgotten, and the dancing cheari warriors of Arun are only a myth, a magical land knows peace. Then a young servant girl called Sorren is haunted by her dreams of Tornor Keep - the legendary tower that was created to protect the realm from its enemies. To discover the meaning of these visions, she will undergo a quest to the watchtower; and a humble girl will become part of a revolution in which the common people will find the courage to stand up to tyranny..." The cover also sports favorable blurbs by Vonda McIntyre, Marge Piercy and Joanna Russ. This is the third in the Chronicles of Tornor, a series whose first volume, *Watchtower*, won the World Fantasy Award in 1980. The three books take place at different times in their world's history and do not have to be read in order. *The Northern Girl* is the only one to be told from the point of view of a female character. I first read it over ten years ago and remember the way Lynn's matter-of-fact descriptions of sexuality and the power of women bent my brain in new directions. I am eager to reread it and very happy that it is back in print. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:27:53 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Sara H. Brosnan" Subject: Re: BDG Nominations - Intermediate list In-Reply-To: <3A6580C5.15293.54EF86@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd be fine with reading the whole trilogy (Lilith's Brood by Octavia Butler). Since I am fairly new to the list, I was unaware that Dawn had already been a BDG group book. Maybe we could slot Lilith's Brood, if selected, for the last BDG slot, to give us all more time to read it. Sara ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:23:51 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Which begs the question... Because of its mockery of the fannish community? TM -----Original Message----- From: Maryelizabeth Hart [mailto:publicity@MYSTGALAXY.COM] Please, let's NOT choose this. I think it is a very unpleasant book. My $.02. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:31:45 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah. I know there are people who believe it's just satire, but it reads in a very mean spirited way to me. Todd Mason wrote: > Which begs the question... > > Because of its mockery of the fannish community? TM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maryelizabeth Hart [mailto:publicity@MYSTGALAXY.COM] > > Please, let's NOT choose this. I think it is a very unpleasant book. My > $.02. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:31:27 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Allen Briggs Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Please, let's NOT choose this. I think it is a very unpleasant book. My > $.02. I find it hilarious, but probably in part because the setting is familiar (in and around a somewhat transmogrified version of the university town in which I live). But then, I came into it looking for it to be comedic & tongue-in-cheek, not serious. -allen ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:55:38 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: BDG possible nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was a brief flurry of exchanges about ILLICIT PASSAGE by Alice Nunn, currently being offered directly by the author in Australia. Some discussion was also generated about MG buying copies in bulk to distribute to folks interested state side. Do we have enough interest to pursue this? Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:02:39 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Lyla Miklos Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I find it hilarious, but probably in part because > the setting is familiar (in and around a somewhat > transmogrified version of the university town in > which I live). But then, I came into it looking > for it to be comedic & tongue-in-cheek, not serious. > > -allen Okay I feel I msut defend my silly nomination. Although calling it feminist might be a bit of a stretch. I have been a *FAN* for years. Star Trek fan clubs and conventions and the whole bit. You are reading an e-mail from someone who wore Spock ears in her high school yearbook photo. Mostly I did this to piss off all my classmates, most of whom I loathed, and boy did it work :) (insert sinister laugh here). Anyhow I digress. I have seen the Fandom scene live and in person and now that I have been working for Space:The Imagination Station in Canada for the past two years I can see it from the other end. I loved the book because even though it is very much camp and slightly exaggerated far too much of what happens in this novel rings way too scarily true. Anyhow. That's my defense and I rest. The people who are making negative comments about the book aren't really backing them up. They are just saying they don't like it. I'd be interested to know why. I had tears in my eyes while reading this I was laughing so hard. Does this mean I have a sick sense of humour? Lyla __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:00:20 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Sara H. Brosnan" Subject: Re: BDG possible nomination In-Reply-To: <3A6606CA.EB25A6D8@mystgalaxy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <> I'd be interested. Sara ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:02:08 +1100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Julieanne Subject: Re: BDG possible nomination In-Reply-To: <3A6606CA.EB25A6D8@mystgalaxy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:55 PM 17/01/01 -0800, you wrote: >There was a brief flurry of exchanges about ILLICIT PASSAGE by Alice >Nunn, currently being offered directly by the author in Australia. Some >discussion was also generated about MG buying copies in bulk to >distribute to folks interested state side. Do we have enough interest to >pursue this? Thanks MaryElizabeth - I apologise I have been away with my work, and have only just caught up with the backlog of e-mails. I will now officially nominate _Illicit Passage_ by Alice Nunn!! Trade paperback, 250 pages. In addition, to the previous blurb I sent a few weeks ago , _Illicit Passage_ was also shortlisted for the 1994 Tiptree Awards. As for availability, the book went out-of-print when the original publisher folded in 1995 - However, remaining copies are held by the author, and even with shipping/postage the cost is well below original retail pricing. I understand some members of the list have already placed orders with Alice, but she has recently indicated that individual orders are somewhat overwhelming! So, if it wins selection in the BDG, it would be preferable for a bulk order to be placed with Maryelizabeth at Mystery Galaxy for US/Canadian orders. Australian/New Zealanders can order through me for pricing details. Cheers - Julieanne:) ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:09:47 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Jessie Stickgold-Sarah Subject: Re: BDG possible nomination In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:02:08 +1100." <3.0.6.32.20010118090208.00a8e180@pop.ozemail.com.au> I'd be interested in buying _Illicit Passage_ if MG made a bulk order; whether or not it's a BDG book, in fact. Jessie ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:25:37 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Terri Subject: Re: BDG possible nomination In-Reply-To: <979768820.3a6615f4e7f04@webmail.hampshire.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'd also be interested! Terri ><currently being offered directly by the author in Australia. Some >discussion was >also generated about MG buying copies in bulk to distribute to folks >interested >state side. Do we have enough interest to pursue this?>> > >I'd be interested. > >Sara > >------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:44:31 EST Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Phoebe Wray Subject: Re: BDG possible nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/01 4:47:36 PM, shb00@HAMPSHIRE.EDU writes: << < >> I would, too. phoebe w ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:55:16 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Deborah A. Oosterhouse" Subject: Re: BDG possible nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would also be interested in purchasing this book, even if it is not chosen for BDG. Maryelizabeth Hart wrote: > There was a brief flurry of exchanges about ILLICIT PASSAGE by Alice > Nunn, currently being offered directly by the author in Australia. Some > discussion was also generated about MG buying copies in bulk to > distribute to folks interested state side. Do we have enough interest to > pursue this? > > Maryelizabeth ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:55:11 -0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Kate Dall Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm rather fond of _Bimbos_ myself. My main problem with it as a BDG book is that I had thought it was a pretty obvious, if very funny, satire, and therefore wouldn't be particularly effective in generating discussion. Clearly, I was wrong, wrong, wrong. This is shaping up to be a very interesting debate. I heartily second the nomination. Kate (an English major, lent the book by her hard science type ex-boyfriend - close to home for me in a rather different sense than fandom...) >From: Lyla Miklos >Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC > >To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU >Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:02:39 -0800 > > > I find it hilarious, but probably in part because > > the setting is familiar (in and around a somewhat > > transmogrified version of the university town in > > which I live). But then, I came into it looking > > for it to be comedic & tongue-in-cheek, not serious. > > > > -allen > >Okay I feel I msut defend my silly nomination. >Although calling it feminist might be a bit of a >stretch. I have been a *FAN* for years. Star Trek fan >clubs and conventions and the whole bit. You are >reading an e-mail from someone who wore Spock ears in >her high school yearbook photo. Mostly I did this to >piss off all my classmates, most of whom I loathed, >and boy did it work :) (insert sinister laugh here). >Anyhow I digress. I have seen the Fandom scene live >and in person and now that I have been working for >Space:The Imagination Station in Canada for the past >two years I can see it from the other end. I loved the >book because even though it is very much camp and >slightly exaggerated far too much of what happens in >this novel rings way too scarily true. > >Anyhow. > >That's my defense and I rest. > >The people who are making negative comments about the >book aren't really backing them up. They are just >saying they don't like it. > >I'd be interested to know why. I had tears in my eyes >while reading this I was laughing so hard. > >Does this mean I have a sick sense of humour? > >Lyla > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >------------------------------------------------------ >This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > >Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:27:52 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Cera Kruger Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart In-Reply-To: <20010117210239.14919.qmail@web1202.mail.yahoo.com> from "Lyla Miklos" at Jan 17, 2001 01:02:39 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lyla Miklos writes: > >That's my defense and I rest. > >The people who are making negative comments about the >book aren't really backing them up. They are just >saying they don't like it. > >I'd be interested to know why. I had tears in my eyes >while reading this I was laughing so hard. This is one of the few books that I really, *really* disliked. As I read it several years ago I can't provide a raft of quotes explaining exactly why, and I'm unlikely to want to wade through it again just to pick out all the bits I found distasteful. I don't think it's that I dislike satire in general, but rather that the way the author went about it -- focusing on stereotypes within the fannish community and then depicting those stereotypes at their very worst -- feels *mean* to me. She claims that she was trying to enlighten fans about the foolishness of living their lives in fiction, but she comes off like a playground bully getting her kicks by picking on the weak kids. If obsessing over Star Trek makes some people feel better about their lives, why shouldn't they do so? And how is obsessing over Star Trek somehow more satire-worthy than obsessing over vintage cars or quilts or NYPD Blue? I came away from the book with a bad taste in my mouth. I'm glad to hear that there are some people who enjoyed it, though. -- Cera -- Cera Kruger -++- diony@idiom.com -+- http://www.requiem.com -++- SFLAaE/BS "And it's alright if you hate that way / hate me cause I'm different / hate me cause I'm gay / Truth of the matter come around one day / so it's alright." -- Emily Saliers (Indigo Girls' _Shaming of the Sun_) ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:09:21 EST Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maire Shanahan Subject: Re: BDG Nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just read a short story from the book of short stories that came out recently where well known authors are asked to contribute a story set on the same universe as their books ie Ender; also a story telling what happened to the woman from Forever War; also a story by Ursula lG; also a story by Nancy Kress in the Beggars world. I was so impressed by nearly all the stories that I decided to read most of the original books, including Beggars in Spain. I just finished it (Beggars, actually) I did like it - however, I'm not sure if it's feminist exactly. Although it has a female protagonist. SO may be it's a s feminist as Wicked etc. Kress's writing style is fairly easy reading, which was why I started reading it at that time, wanting something fairly relaxing to read. However, I didn't really 'approve; of the central debate in the book, which is basically why should productive, law-abiding members of society, support the non-productive via tax etc. Maybe this would be received more sympathetically in the US? Maire ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:22:09 EST Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maire Shanahan Subject: Re: BDG Nominations Intermediate - Corrections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just checking.. Xenogenesis is the same as Lilith's Brood, is that right? I read the whole trilogy together, as one book (having them in one volume). Personally, I would prefer to have the entire trilogy nominated- I imagine people would want to read the last 2 books after reading the first one anyway. When the BDG read Ash, by Gentle, there was the unusual situation of different US/UK eds. So some people read just the first 'book' whereas others ad the 4 'books' in one volume, and so read the while lot- which seemed to be manageable for the BDG. Maybe for Lilith's Brood, people can make up their own minds how much of the series the want to read and/or post on, as per Ash? Maire ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:09:03 -0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Kate Dall Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Cera Kruger wrote: >And how is obsessing over Star Trek somehow more satire-worthy >than obsessing over vintage cars or quilts or NYPD Blue? Who said it was? Have you never seen _Funky Squad_? [OK probably not, I don't know if it made it outside Australia. Or _Cop Rock_ for that matter?] And I have just finished Chuck Pahlanuik's (author of _Fight Club_)new book, which contains some brilliant (not to mention completely tasteless) satire re the Aids quilt. It could be argued that _How to Make an American Quilt_ is a satire, but that's probably a bit too generous for that particular load of appalling shlock. Can't help you with vintage cars, but I'm sure it's out there. It's just that all this stuff is a bit harder to justify discussing on a femsf list... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:49:15 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Elizabeth Pandolfo Briggs Subject: Re: _Illicit Passage_ orders In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010118090208.00a8e180@pop.ozemail.com.au>; from jalc@OZEMAIL.COM.AU on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 09:02:08AM +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 09:02:08AM +1100, Julieanne wrote: > As for availability, the book went out-of-print when the original publisher > folded in 1995 - However, remaining copies are held by the author, and even > with shipping/postage the cost is well below original retail pricing. > > I understand some members of the list have already placed orders with > Alice, but she has recently indicated that individual orders are somewhat > overwhelming! > > So, if it wins selection in the BDG, it would be preferable for a bulk > order to be placed with Maryelizabeth at Mystery Galaxy for US/Canadian > orders. Australian/New Zealanders can order through me for pricing details. I, too, would very much like a copy of Nunn's book regardless of it winning BDG selection. Maryelizabeth, are you willing to handle a bulk order for it anyway? How many copies would people need to request to make it worthwhile for you to do so? Elizabeth Elizabeth L. Pandolfo Briggs pandolfo@ninthwonder.com ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:32:51 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Allen Briggs Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > focusing on stereotypes within the fannish community and then > depicting those stereotypes at their very worst -- feels *mean* to me. This is, IMO, how stereotypes are often deconstructed. It seems to me that much literature, perhaps especially some types of feminist sf and other literature that struggles against the norm, is about taking, exaggerating, and then dismantling stereotypes. In Bimbos, the author is (obviously) very familiar with the fan community (IIRC, she was part of the fan community), and so I saw a lot of very accurate (but exaggerated) stereotypes. That's one of the things that I found very funny--I recognised myself and people that I know in some of the roles. I didn't feel that it was mean-spirited, but I can certainly see how people might feel that way. How is this materially different from, say, Tepper deconstructing the stereotypical testosterone-sloshed Guy in _Gate to Women's Country_? -allen ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:38:49 -0800 Reply-To: shander@cdsnet.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sharon Anderson Subject: Re: BDG Nomination Period Opened MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Petra Mayerhofer wrote: > With the nomination members should provide the following > information: > - author > - title > - publisher > - list price > - ISBN > For example: > Nalo Hopkinson: Brown Girl in the Ring. (July 1998). Warner > Books; ISBN: 0446674338, List Price: $12.99 > Okay, I went to Amazon.com to look up Louise Marley's The Terrorists of Irustan. This book has been nominated before, but I don't think it ever was selected. The info I found was that it costs $5.39 and Ace Books; ISBN: 0441007430 is the other stuff. Have I got it all? Can I nominate this now? ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:31:25 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My opinion of McCrumb's intent comes from an overall sense that in her work she does not have a lot of respect for other people. I have read some interviews with her where she is very dismissive of her mystery fans, for example, and it has probably colored my perspective. I can't point to anything more objective in the work at present, sorry. Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:01:23 -0600 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Partial novel-spoiler, below. Bad attitude toward one's readers is no fun, particularly when only a few are ever likely to deserve a jaundiced eye (even if they loom too large). My major impression of BIMBOS (don't think it was the sequel, ZOMBIES) was that I thought it a bit cowardly to base the decedent so apparently on Harlan Ellison, and then introduce Ellison himself later in the novel so as to...stave off civil action? Mollify him in case he'd merely be irked rather than moved to court action? Otherwise, I took it as less than mean-spirited, but had no nonfiction from her at hand to suggest otherwise. TM -----Original Message----- From: Maryelizabeth Hart [mailto:publicity@MYSTGALAXY.COM] My opinion of McCrumb's intent comes from an overall sense that in her work she does not have a lot of respect for other people. I have read some interviews with her where she is very dismissive of her mystery fans, for example, and it has probably colored my perspective. I can't point to anything more objective in the work at present, sorry. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:45:31 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nominations - Intermediate 2 In-Reply-To: <78.f3de27f.27970480@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This is one of the more "complex" nomination rounds. On 17 Jan 2001, Phoebe Wray wrote: > We all are, Petra, so you're in good company. Didn't we already read The Moon > and the Sun? I know it has been discussed on this list. It hasn't been a BDG book yet, although I also remember a very lively discussion in summer 1999 (?). But only former BDG books cannot be nominated again. So, the nomination of _The Moon and the Sun_ is o.k. Not accepted was _The Sparrow_ by Mary Doria Russell. _Sparrow_ was the BDG book of December 1998 (see discussion archive at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/archives/bdg_sparro w.txt) Concerning _Lilith's Brood_: IMO the nomination is o.k., let's see how people vote. According to Amazon Margaret Wander Bonano's "Strangers From The Sky" is no longer in print. Therefore, this nomination was not accepted. However, after some thinking I've accepted _Illicit Passage_ with the caveat that Julieanne and Maryelizabeth (or someone else) take the responsibility for supplying list members with the book and for keeping them informed about how they can get the book. The attentive list members will have noted that I accepted several nominations from one list member. The rule actually is 'one nomination per person' but I didn't want to be too strict and refuse interesting books. The rule was originally introduced after a very lively nomination round in which some people nominated a multitude of books of which several were not in print. Please understand, such things waste my time! To give everybody the same opportunity I will accept several nominations per person but please do your part, too. Books can be nominated up to 21 January (incl.). Nominator's comments can be looked up at http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0101.htm Petra Nominations so far (18 January): Octavia Butler: Lilith's Brood. Published by Warner Books - ISBN: 0446676101, retail price: 13.95 Keith Hartman: The Gumshoe, the Witch, and the Virtual Corpse. Meisha Merlin Publishing; ISBN: 1892065053; List Price $16.00 Nancy Kress: Beggars in Spain. Mass Market Paperback Reprint edition (March 1994), Avon; ISBN: 0380718774, $6.99US, also available as audio cassette Ursula K. Le Guin, Todd Barton, Margaret Chodos-Irvine, geor Hersh: Always Coming Home (California Fiction). Amazon Price: $14.95, Paperback - 525 pages (February 5, 2001), Univ California Press; ISBN: 0520227352. This item will be published on February 5, 2001. Elizabeth A. Lynn: The Northern Girl. 470 pages, ISBN: 0441007279, List Price: $14 Louise Marley: The Terrorists of Irustan. List Price: $5.99, ISBN: 0441007430 Sharyn McCrumb: Bimbos of the Death Sun. List Price: $5.99, Mass Market Paperback - 212 pages, Reprint edition (February 1997), Ballantine Books; ISBN: 034541215X Vonda N. McIntyre: The Moon and the Sun. List Price: $6.99, Mass Market Paperback - 496 pages (September 1998), Pocket Books; ISBN: 0671567667 Pat Murphy: The Falling Woman. List Price: $11.95, Paperback, Reprint edition (August 1993), Tor Books; ISBN:0312854064. First published in 1986. Alice Nunn: Illicit Passage. Trade paperback, 250 pages. Virginia Woolf: Orlando : A Biography. Paperback (December 1999), Wordsworth Edition; ISBN: 1853262390, $4.95 Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:26:53 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: ILLICIT PASSAGE -- Feminist SF Comments: To: rreith@racores.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, all! Elizabeth asks: Elizabeth Pandolfo Briggs wrote: > > > So, if it wins selection in the BDG, it would be preferable for a bulk > > order to be placed with Maryelizabeth at Mystery Galaxy for US/Canadian > > orders. Australian/New Zealanders can order through me for pricing details. > > I, too, would very much like a copy of Nunn's book regardless of it > winning BDG selection. Maryelizabeth, are you willing to handle a bulk > order for it anyway? How many copies would people need to request to make > it worthwhile for you to do so? > > Elizabeth > My proposal at present is thus: perhaps ILLICIT PASSAGE can be an informal choice, to avoid some of the difficulties we have encountered with small press books in the past? At present I have not quite a dozen people who have expressed interest in purchasing the book, so I would probably order a dozen copies from Alice, figuring that would give me enough to fill orders and have a few to spare, but not too many just in case. I would order them in bulk, and USA/CAN members can then order them from MG. US price to be determined, and reflect shipping. But with any luck the shipping costs (and work on Alice's part) should be drastically reduced by the bulk buy. Thoughts? Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:18:48 +1100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Julieanne Subject: Re: BDG Nomination Period Opened In-Reply-To: <3A669D87.1BD792D0@cdsnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Firstly, Yes on support for supplying _Illicit Passage_ on or off BDG list. OK..since we are allowed to nominate more than one this time round...I'm jumping in with a 2nd nomination: The Rainbow Cadenza - J Neil Schulman (2nd ed 1999) - pb 394 pages ISBN: 1584451238 Amazon.com list price $US22.00 (Australian/NZ - is available through Angus & Robertson orders on-line or stores - price highly variable, 1st ed tends to crop up in 2nd-hand collections) This was another book which unfortunately went out-of-print for several years, after original publication in the 80s, and winning the Prometheus Award in 1984 so I was pleased to find it had been reissued. "After appearing in hardcover from Simon & Schuster and winning the Prometheus Award in 1984, Baen Books withdrew an offer to reprint it in paperback after Schulman refused to edit out the book's most controversial sex scenes--scenes which set up the character conflicts for the climax of the story". Although it has been several years since I read it, it has always 'haunted' me. Some of my favourite reviews include: "The book left me feeling for three days that I wished I'd been born without a penis"' --Larry Niven, "[I]n The Rainbow Cadenza, J. Neil Schulman has touched yet another nerve. The damn book haunted me for days after I read it. ... Schulman has given us not only a fine story but a great deal to think about -- perhaps especially if we think ourselves sexually unprejudiced." --Poul Anderson, Reason Magazine "Wickedly funny, highly satirical and suspensefully chilling at the same time. Reminiscent of Orwellian and Huxley visions of Paradise as Nightmare" _______________________________________________________________ In this speculative future - the Earth is finally 'politically correct' - The People Who Care have remade the earth in their image, and it's paradise. War, hunger, crime and violence are conquered etc. Gays and lesbians are not only accepted, but are the 'ruling class'. But why do men outnumber women 7 to 1 ? Why is reproduction strictly controlled through fertility manipulation and cloning? And why is there an underclass called the 'Untouchables' (hunted for sport) in such a 'perfect world'? In a world with no rape, why are women drafted to 'serve' 3 years in the sex service, the Gyn Corps, from age 18-21? The book is centered on Joan Darris, a lasergraphic composer and performer -holographic laser art has replaced music as the pre-eminent form of entertainment on Earth - and her struggles for freedom and artistic expression. The adage "Make Love, Not War" has been taken to its ultimately logical, but ridiculous conclusion: females are drafted into sexual service. Despite her budding talent, and the likelihood of exemption from the Draft, Joan is drafted. Is it her destiny to play music for men's eyes, or to make herself a plaything for their desires? Why does her love for her mother threaten to subject her to three years of institutionalised & valourised legal rape, and why does her family--the very politics on Earth in her time--tell her it's her duty to comply? How does the murder she witnessed at five years old make serving in the Gyn Corps seem the lesser of evils twelve years later--and how does the lingering horror of that murder threaten not only to rob her of her artistic triumph but threaten the life of a man she loves but who can't give himself to her without betraying everything he believes in? ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:23:53 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: lquilter Subject: anthologies - help Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu, feministsf-lit@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey y'all - i'm looking for the tables of contents of the following anthologies -- if anyone can help by taking a little time & keying them in for me it would be great. the information is to be included on the feminist-sf anthologies pages -- www.feministsf.org/femsf/anths/ these are the anthologies i either don't have or are packed away in boxes ... please be sure to include *all* contents including forewords, afterwords, additional reading lists, etc. any other interesting tidbits -- like artists, illustrations, different editions, etc. -- is gratefully appreciated. AND if you're really ambitious check out the anthologies pages and let me know if there are anthologies that should be included. i've included all-woman-author anthologies, all-female-protagonist anthologies, and anthologies that are oriented towards feminist concerns, gender issues, or so-called "women's issues" -- if there's an anthology you think should be included please tell me a little bit about it. and include any information about yourself you would like included in the credit. finally, do this OFF LIST !!! send to me directly at lquilter@feministsf.org Laura Quilter / lquilter@feministsf.org -------------------------------- Aliene, amazzoni, astronaute - Oriana Palusci - 1990 (in italian - english translation in addition to original italian would be desireable) chicks and chained mails - esther friesner - 2000? (3d in series) girls' night out: 29 female vampire stories - martin greenberg (date?) girls to the rescue - bruce lansky - date? the lifted veil: book of fantasic literature by women, 1800-wwii - a susan williams, 1992 penguin book of CLASSIC fantasy by women - never actually seen it; has anybody else? second virago book of fairy tales - angela carter - date? somewhere in the night - 8 gay tales of the supernatural - mcmahan, 1st & 2d editions (any difference?) marion zimmer bradley's sword & sorceress series: volume 2 volume 5 volume 6 volume 8 volume 11 volume 13 volume 15, 16, 17, 18 venus factor - vic ghidalia & roger elwood - 1972 virago book of ghost stories - dalby - 1989, 1987 (differences?) warrior princesses - scarborough & greenberg - date? women of darkness - ed by kathryn ptacek - 1989 - "original horror & dark fantasy by contemporary women writers" ---------------------- thanks again laura q ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:41:23 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] anthologies - help Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Laura: What's the time frame on these? I would be willing to take on > women of darkness - ed by kathryn ptacek - 1989 - "original > horror & dark > fantasy by contemporary women writers" > wasn't there a second volume as well? Pax, Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:14:22 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Laura Quilter Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] anthologies - help In-Reply-To: <3A677F22.95EBB92F@mystgalaxy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Time frame is whenever you can do it -- there's no deadline, but it's nice to get it done relatively soon. Say, in the next few weeks. And if there was a second volume I don't know about it, and would like to get info about both. Thanks. On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Maryelizabeth Hart wrote: > Hi, Laura: > > What's the time frame on these? > > I would be willing to take on > > > > women of darkness - ed by kathryn ptacek - 1989 - "original > > horror & dark > > fantasy by contemporary women writers" > > > > wasn't there a second volume as well? > > Pax, > > Maryelizabeth > > > -- > ******************************************************************* > Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 > 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 > San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 > http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: > mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com > > ******************************************************************* > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > > Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Laura Quilter / lquilter@exo.net ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:46:41 EST Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: anthologies - help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/2001 5:24:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, lquilter@FEMINISTSF.ORG writes: << hey y'all - i'm looking for the tables of contents of the following anthologies -- if anyone can help by taking a little time & keying them in for me it would be great. the information is to be included on the feminist-sf anthologies pages -- www.feministsf.org/femsf/anths/ these are the anthologies i either don't have or are packed away in boxes ... please be sure to include *all* contents including forewords, afterwords, additional reading lists, etc. any other interesting tidbits -- like artists, illustrations, different editions, etc. -- is gratefully appreciated. >> I should be able to email you the infro for MZB's Sword and Scoresss Vol 2,5, 8 and 17. Hopefully should have them for you sometime this weekend. I should email the infromation directly to you correct? Sorry for the misspellings, I'm just recovering from a 24 bug (which is why I'm not going out this weekend which means I should have the time.) Chris ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:02:44 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Joyce Jones Subject: BDG nomination The Moon and the Sun was discussed here but not as a scheduled book, so those who hadn't read it weren't able to prepare and join in the discussion. However, if a repeat discussion would be redundant, I'd like to nominate: Dorothy Bryant: The Kin of ATA Are Waiting for You. Paperback, Reprint edition (April 1997), Random House (Paper); ISBN: 0679778438, List Price: $11.95 2 synopses on Amazon: Synopsis 1: A car crash causes a young writer to journey into a dream world, where, for three weeks, he encounters people from the island of Ata and embarks on a series of adventures, accompanied by a woman seeking spiritual and sexual enlightenment. Reprint. Synopsis 2: Part love story, part utopian fantasy, part spiritual fable, The Kin of Ata Are Waiting for You is "a beautiful, symbolic journey of the soul" (Berkeley Monthly). Into the world of the Ata comes a desperate man, running from a fast life of fame and fortune, drugs and crime. He is led by the kin of Ata on a spiritual journey that, sooner or later, we all must take. >From the Publisher The kin of Ata live only for the dream. Their work, their art, their love are designed in and by their dreams, and their only aim is to dream higher dreams. Into the world of Ata comes a desperate man, who is first subdued and then led on the spiritual journey that, sooner or later, all of us must make. The Kin of Ata Are Waiting for You is part love story, part science fiction, at once Jungian myth and utopian allegory. Joyce ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:58:34 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nomination - Intermediate List 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'm away over the weekend so this is the last intermediate report from the nomination front. You can nominate books until Sunday (incl.) and I will finalize the nomination list on Monday. Have a nice weekend. Petra Nominated books so far (19 January): Dorothy Bryant: The Kin of Ata Are Waiting for You. List Price: $11.95, Paperback Reprint edition (April 1997), Random House (Paper); ISBN: 0679778438 Octavia Butler: Lilith's Brood. Published by Warner Books - ISBN: 0446676101, retail price: 13.95 Keith Hartman: The Gumshoe, the Witch, and the Virtual Corpse. Meisha Merlin Publishing; ISBN: 1892065053; List Price $16.00 Nancy Kress: Beggars in Spain. Mass Market Paperback Reprint edition (March 1994), Avon; ISBN: 0380718774, $6.99US, also available as audio cassette Ursula K. Le Guin, Todd Barton, Margaret Chodos-Irvine, geor Hersh: Always Coming Home (California Fiction). Amazon Price: $14.95, Paperback - 525 pages (February 5, 2001), Univ California Press; ISBN: 0520227352. This item will be published on February 5, 2001. Elizabeth A. Lynn: The Northern Girl. 470 pages, ISBN: 0441007279, List Price: $14 Louise Marley: The Terrorists of Irustan. List Price: $5.99, ISBN: 0441007430 Sharyn McCrumb: Bimbos of the Death Sun. List Price: $5.99, Mass Market Paperback - 212 pages, Reprint edition (February 1997), Ballantine Books; ISBN: 034541215X Vonda N. McIntyre: The Moon and the Sun. List Price: $6.99, Mass Market Paperback - 496 pages (September 1998), Pocket Books; ISBN: 0671567667 Pat Murphy: The Falling Woman. List Price: $11.95, Paperback, Reprint edition (August 1993), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312854064. First published in 1986. Alice Nunn: Illicit Passage. Trade paperback, 250 pages. J. Neil Schulman: The Rainbow Cadenza. List Price: $27.50, Paperback - 394 pages (July 1999), Unknown; ISBN: 15884451238 Virginia Woolf: Orlando : A Biography. Paperback (December 1999), Wordsworth Edition; ISBN: 1853262390, $4.95 Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:27:01 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Kirsten Hoyte Subject: Re: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN: Hart In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU writes: >Bad attitude toward one's readers is no fun, particularly when only a few >are ever likely to deserve a jaundiced eye (even if they loom too large). First my disclaimers.... 1) I haven't read Bimbos 2) I don't know anything about fan culture or conventions. However, this discussion reminded me of Deep Secret by Diana Wynne Jones. Jones is one of my favorite authors for her children's books (The Ogre Downstairs and Charmed Life are both all time favorites of mine). I don't like her adult fiction as much including Deep Secret. Still she is always very funny and creates great imaginary worlds with consistent rules and consequences. Anyway without really being familiar with the subject matter, I got the feeling that Deep Secret was poking gentle fun at fans, sf and fantasy writers themselves and convention culture --meaning she was deliberately portraying goofiness but in a loving way. It might be worth checking out for those of you who thought the satire was too harsh in Bimbos. Kirsten ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:58:20 -0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Heather Stark Subject: FSF BDG Nomination Suggestion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting crop of nominations so far - look forward to reading many of them over the coming months. Here's a last minute suggestion to add to the list. (I've been on a biz trip to Munich for two weeks...just got back yesterday.) If it's been done already please disregard - but people who are new joiners might be interested in the following description anyway. Mission Child - Maureen McHugh (UK edition Orbit, ISBN 1- 85723-861-3, paperback 6.99 GBP - it is also available in the US, where it was published by Avon in 1998). Maureen McHugh has been on my 'buy' list since I read and enjoyed China Mountain Zhang. Reviews of Mission Child on Amazon are mixed - the main 'grumble' theme seems to be that nothing much happens. Given the rather extravagently packed plot line (which I won't tell you about), this criticism is absurd at face value. But it *is* true that the main points of the story are interior rather than exterior - and many are not ever really resolved. I think it is this, rather any actual lack of action, that the 'anti' reviewers are responding to. Why might *you* be interested in it? The lead cover review from Booklist says: "Another astonishing, compulsively readable movel...McHugh tells a classic story of the clash between tradition and technology as seen with the eyes and heard of an indomitable unforgettable protagonist." Why might *BDG* be interested in it? The lead protogonist is female - although some ambiguity develops on this point, which may be of interest to people who have an interest in transgender issues. The treatment of this element is personal, pragmatic, and also mystical - not explicitly anthropological or political. The lead reminds me of the lead in 'Miss Smilla's feeling for snow' by Peter Hoeg (which I think had another title in the US). She's taciturn, and takes things as they come. She also has a capacity for survival in the most unlikely and harrowing circumstances, which are supplied in ample measure. And it snows a lot. The environment in which she acts is reminiscent of Lapland - but is on another planet. There is a Cherryh-like theme of loss of contact with the main thrust of colonial expansion - and rediscovery at some years remove. Hoeg meets Cherryh by way of McIntyre might be the elevator pitch for this book. I found it very compelling as a novel. If it's not chosen for BDG in this round - I encourage you to check it out, if the above description appeals. cheers, Heather ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:34:49 EST Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Phoebe Wray Subject: Re: FSF BDG Nomination Suggestion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/01 4:54:08 PM, heather.stark@VIRGIN.NET writes: << Mission Child - Maureen McHugh (UK edition Orbit, ISBN 1- 85723-861-3, paperback 6.99 GBP - it is also available in the US, where it was published by Avon in 1998). >> I loved this book. Like her other books, it is meticulously drawn. a great read. phoebe w ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:01:47 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Margaret McBride Subject: BDG:Nights at the Circus MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" not much comment on Nights at the Circus--maybe like me, you haven't finished reading it. I decided I would write something because most months I have good intentions but don't get around to commenting. I am enjoying the book for certain aspects although I don't think it's one I would have read if I had just skimmed the first few pages first. The content and more fantasy-based material are not my interests generally. So far it's missing that ineffable something I appreciate the most in fiction--thought-provoking reflections on how we humans shape ourselves and our culture. The book has a reserved feel so I never forget I'm reading a wrought fiction--maybe part of the point of view aspects we discussed last month. I do respect how she is suggesting a Victorian time frame. Way back in college I read a nonfiction book on the Victorian era based on newspapers and government documents. The "nicey-nicey" prudish, "put pantaloons on piano legs and say white meat because we can't say breast in public" view of Victorian England is quite inaccurate. According to the book, that time period had more prostitutes than any other time in England; slum, santitation, disease problems etc. were dreadful. I think Carter conveys those aspects quite well. What I'm really liking is the writing style. The 2nd section in Petersburg that begins with the description of the old woman working the bellows as if she is alternately praying (Mary) and remembering the endless work she has to do (Martha) I found extremely well done and intriguing. I think it will be one of those memorable images from fiction that will stick with me even though other aspects of the book don't (like the woman who is genetically obsessed and follows the wood grains on the floor in one of Card's later Ender books). That section on the bellows is followed by the reporter's lyric description of Petersburg which I also quite enjoyed. The little note about the woman's murderess daughter is then picked up again in the section on the women's prison where the guards and the prisoners fall "in love" and escape together. In terms of style the 3rd section is also interesting because of the changes in voice. We get first person direct-to-the-reader comments from Fevvers (which is quite different than the voice when she was telling her life story to the journalist in the first section) mixed in with author comments. I find it intriguing and it certainly makes me stop and notice the writing effects more than in many books. I'm also appreciating the astute comments on class and wealth scattered throughout--particularly on how women's lives are affected by their status. So I have no direct questions, but perhaps this will get some comment. I don't think this book will go on my read-again list but I thank the list for getting me to read something I probably wouldn't have (even though I had appreciated other Carter pieces in the past). ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems.