From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:51:09 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:38:37 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0104D" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:13:02 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: BDG nominations -- BLACK CHALICE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got a copy, but would like to warn everyone it took weeks and weeks to arrive -- I'd actually resigned myself it wasn't coming... Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:09:00 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Janice E. Dawley" Subject: Re: BDG: The Northern Girl -- Characters In-Reply-To: <3AD44C36.3D4FC3DC@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 08:21 AM 4/11/01 -0400, Marcie McCauley wrote: >The figure of Marti Hok loomed large in my reading; I wish we'd gotten >to know more of her story as well. So if I try to answer Janice's >question for myself, I guess I liked it so much because of the >characters that Elizabeth Lynn creates therein; it often comes down to >character for me. Marti Hok was a wonderful character, a crone in the best sense of the word. More than once her snippy comments made me laugh. And I enjoyed the friendship between her and Arré. Both professionally and personally they seemed very compatible, bouncing ideas off one another and providing support for one another in the often stressful business of the Council. Between them, these two "spiders", spinning their webs, appeared to be largely responsible for the orderly operation of the city, yet they never seemed larger than life. It's easy to imagine having lunch with them, sharing gossip over a glass of wine. One glass, and one glass only, for Arré. Maybe because her brother was involved, she seemed much more affected by the stress of all the intrigue than Marti was. I was alarmed when Sorren found her dead drunk after downing two carafes of wine. I was also a little puzzled. In the preceding scene she had been calmly concocting a plan to force the Ron Ismenin's hand and didn't seem particularly distraught. But I guess she may have felt that she had earned some relaxation, some forgetfulness. Obviously it went too far. From the description, it sounded like she came very close to fatal alcohol poisoning. Yikes. I wonder if we are supposed to see her as an alcoholic? She's a very unusual one, if so. Her brother Isak was an unusual villain as well. An incredibly skilled, charismatic dancer with a twisted, envious soul. I liked Lynn's approach to his character. He wasn't an embodiment of pure evil; through Arré we get glimpses of what he was like as a child as well as some guesses as to what might have made him the person he became. But there were no excuses made for him, either. However Arré may have slighted him, attempted murder was not an acceptable response. When Arré announced that he was to be exiled, I wondered if he would find some way to menace her from afar. But then I thought, no, it would be more like Lynn to have him change into a better person once his rank and wealth were stripped from him. The answer is beyond the bounds of the story, but it is interesting to think about. It took me a while to warm to Paxe. At first she seemed like a traditional honorable warrior. But then there was her night on the town, first trapping the con-artists then being chased across the city, over roofs and through houses, by her second-in-command Kaleb. Afterwards, while falling asleep, she thought how much she needed him and loved him, how bereft she would be if he left the city. Even at this point, I think she knew that her relationship with Sorren wasn't going to last. Sorren had her whole life ahead of her; Paxe, as she said at the end, "made [her] trip to the mountains years ago." Maybe it's just the point I am at in my own life, but I sensed a poignant ennui in Paxe. Her days of glory were over, she was settled down in a high-status position that was largely routine, people who had been important to her were dead or drifting away... She seemed ripe for a big, life-changing event. Maybe travelling with Kaleb? Another unanswered question. It's a tribute to Lynn's skill that so many of these characters seem to have a life beyond what we read about in the story. As another example, I really wanted to know what was up with Kadra. On the one hand, I found her sickeningly self-destructive; on the other I was very curious about her past as a messenger and how she had come to be such a sad sack. Unfortunately, Sorren didn't meet her until her date with death was imminent. Their lives touched only briefly, and that was all. As a final note, I found that Sorren, the central character of the book, never really came into focus for me. She was more like a roving eye than a full person. I suppose this could be partly explained by her youth. But Arré and Marti Hok both make note of her pleasant personality. Am I imagining it? > Anyone else have any character-driven favourites they > would recommend? Wow, I'm having a hard time narrowing down the list in my head. What SF & fantasy books, apart from *The Northern Girl*, have you read and thought of as good character-driven works? With a little more info, I'm sure I could come up with some recommendations. ----- Janice E. Dawley.....Burlington, VT http://homepages.together.net/~jdawley/ Listening to: Coldplay -- Parachutes "...the public and the private worlds are inseparably connected; the tyrannies and servilities of the one are the tyrannies and servilities of the other." Virginia Woolf, Three Guineas ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:14:18 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: 21 Apr 2001 22:36:54 -0700 To: mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de From: divadiane1@ivillage.com Subject: Always Coming Home Hi Petra, I currently can only POP my mail from the address I've got the BDG subscription on so I can't post this directly to the list. Can you forward it if you'd like. It is actually a response to you: I've read Always Coming Home and enjoyed it but it is long and sometimes difficult. I would suggest if you nominate it to limit the actual required reading to the main story. I think it's broken up into 3 shortish stories. I'd have to take a look at it again to see what else might be of interest from a feminist POV, but I can't do that at the moment because I'm in the US and the book lives on my shelf at home in Frankfurt. I would love to read the main-frame story again. Diane ------- End of forwarded message ------- NightSky/Margaret said something similar. I felt encouraged enough to nominate _Always Coming Home_ by Ursula K. Le Guin Paperback - 525 pages (February 5, 2001) Univ California Press; ISBN: 0520227352, List Price: $14.95 First published in 1985. There is also a CD with songs and poems of the Valley available ($18). Based on the recommendations my suggestion is to read the frame story, "Stone Telling": - Part one, p.7-42, - Part Two, p. 173-202, - Part Three, p. 340-387 Reviews: Danny Yee's Book Reviews at http://dannyreviews.com/h/Always_Coming_Home.html "The subject of Le Guin's work is the Kesh - a people who inhabit a valley in a far-future California and who are clearly based on native American models. Mostly she lets them speak for themselves, allowing the reader to learn about them through a montage of their short stories, poems, and myths. These are laid out around a central novella, which tells the story of a woman called Stonetelling who leaves the valley to live with her father's people, the Condor. The "back of the book" contains additional information about the Kesh in more traditional ethnographic form. While there are a few passages of reflexive commentary in Always Coming Home (where Pandora the archaeologist addresses the reader directly) and some of these make direct comments on contemporary issues, Le Guin's "message" is not directly imparted. [...]" Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:23:49 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Intermediate Nomination List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT So far 5 books were nominated (see list at the end of this email). The comments and reviews can be looked up at http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0401.htm . Books can be nominated until Thursday, 26 April (incl.). Unfortunately, _The Black Chalice_ by Marie Jakober is not admissable as it is only available in hardcover. I've substituted the Kirkus Review of _Playing God_ by Sarah Zettel by the Booklist Review and hope that it does not reveal to much. Sorry about that. Petra Nominations: 5, 23 April - Keith Hartman: The Gumshoe, the Witch, and the Virtual Corpse. Meisha Merlin Publishing; ISBN: 1892065053; List Price $16.00 - Mercedes Lackey: The Black Swan. DAW Books. List price 6.99 - Ursula K. Le Guin: Always Coming Home. Paperback - 525 pages (February 5, 2001) Univ California Press; ISBN: 0520227352, List Price: $14.95 - Janine Ellen Young: The Bridge. List Price: $6.50, Mass Market Paperback - 348 pages (September 2000), Aspect; ISSBN: 0446607991 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.03 x 6.74 x 4.27 - Sarah Zettel: Playing God. Mass Market Paperback - 448 pages (November 1999), Warner Books; ISBN: 0446607584; List Price: $6.99 ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:04:43 EDT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Phoebe Wray Subject: BDG Nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Honor of the Queen (Honor Harrington) by David Weber Price: $7.99 (amazon sells it for $7.19) Mass Market Paperback - 422 pages Reissue edition (June 1993) Baen Books; ISBN: 0671721720 We've had some discussions about the Honor Harrington series on this list before, and I know there are some who just flat-out don't like this space jockey heroine. I do. This is the second of the series. It's the first one that I read and it made me a fan. Most reviewers think it outshines the first HH book (On Basilisk Station) and I agree. You don't need to have read the first one to enjoy this one. Is it feminist? People will disagree about this, and already have if you check the archives. It's action-packed, lots of military stuff, a huge cast of characters. And, just for fun -- here are three interesting reviews from readers on amazon... * ... I passed this and other Honor Harrington books because of the female lead character. I made a BIG MISTAKE. The is one of the best sci-fi book I have read in a LONG time. Honor Harrington makes other space heros (Cpt. Kirk and company) look like whimps! [sic] * ... Basically, I think it's a sin to read this book... * ... As for this book it is bigoted. it puts down Christians and over-amplifies the prejudice against women. The story, if it were set in that time, would not at all happened that way... The Christian bigotry noted above relates to a planet with a fundamentalist religion-type society into which Honor comes as part of her job. best wishes, phoebe wray ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:32:15 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Joyce Jones Subject: BDG Nominations I nominate the first thing I read by Starhawk (I thought I had discovered her myself). In light of the continuing debate over the WTO I thought it would be relevant to read something by one of it's chief opponents. Joyce The Fifth Sacred Thing by Starhawk from the Barnes and Noble site: Our Price: $13.45 In Stock:Ships within 24 hours Same Day Delivery In Manhattan Format: Paperback, 1st ed., 496pp. ISBN: 0553373803 Publisher: Bantam Books, Incorporated Pub. Date: May 1994 Edition Desc: REPRINT >From the Publisher Imagine a world without poverty, hunger, or hatred, where a rich culture honors its diverse mix of races, religions, and heritages, and the Four Sacred Things that sustain all life - earth, air, fire, and water - are valued unconditionally. Now imagine the opposite: a nightmare world in which an authoritarian regime polices an apartheid state, access to food and water is restricted to those who obey the corrupt official religion, women are property of their husbands or the state, and children are bred for prostitution and war. The best and worst of our possible futures are poised to clash in twenty-first-century California, and the outcome rests on the wisdom and courage of one clan caught in the conflict. Ninety-eight-year-old Maya has helped shape the ecumenical culture of the North by reviving and re-creating an earth-based spiritual tradition. Madrone, the granddaughter of Maya's longtime lovers, is a healer trying to thwart recurring epidemics that she suspects are biological warfare waged by the tyrannical South. Bird, Maya's grandson, returns from ten years in a Southern prison with warnings of impending invasion and an urgent request for help from the resistance in the hills. When Madrone travels south to aid the rebels and search for a cure to the deadly viruses, she finds herself fighting for her own life alongside battle-weary guerrillas and beautiful pirates. Meanwhile, in the North debates rage about how to repel the invaders. "All war is first waged in the imagination, first conducted to limit our dreams and visions," Maya says, and warns that by killing their enemies, they may themselves become transformed by violence and destroy all they have built. Bird champions her alternative vision and becomes a leader of the faction calling for nonviolent resistance. When he is captured and pressured to cooperate with the enemy, the fate of the North hangs in the balance. Richly imagined and beautifully written, The Fifth Sacred Thing is a powerful novel ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:47:31 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Misha Bernard Subject: BDG Nomination In-Reply-To: <3AE02A9A.24566.90C8A7@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd like to nominate Joan Slonczewski: Brain Plague (2000) TOR 6.99 Mass Market ISBN: 0812579143 This is a book in Slonczewski's future that also includes _A Door Into Ocean_, _Daughter of Elysium_, and _Children Star_ but definately can stand alone. It is set in the same approximate present as _Children Star_ on Valan (the twin planet to Elysium). Briefly, it deals with issues of microbial 'people', control, infection, and oh so many more things. The plot follows an artist, who due in part to economic pressures and feelings of social threat puts herself on the list to receive brain-enhancing technology. It turns out that this new technology is really special strains of microbial colonies (readers of _Children's Star will recognize the idea) that are also part of those warnings (the brain plague) of infection and slavery (humans to microorganisms). I thought it was a really great book, and it has so many issues I want to discuss about it, and I think it is very much worth taking up on the FSFFU BDG Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University ------------------------- -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:12:40 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Susan Hericks Subject: Re: Slonsczewski BDG Nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard of Slonsczewski's other books on this list and LOVED them. They are SO smart and interesting! I would love to read this one too. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Misha Bernard To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:47 PM Subject: [*FSF-L*] BDG Nomination >I'd like to nominate > >Joan Slonczewski: Brain Plague (2000) >TOR >6.99 Mass Market >ISBN: 0812579143 > > This is a book in Slonczewski's future that also includes _A Door >Into Ocean_, _Daughter of Elysium_, and _Children Star_ but definately can >stand alone. It is set in the same approximate present as _Children Star_ >on Valan (the twin planet to Elysium). Briefly, it deals with issues of >microbial 'people', control, infection, and oh so many more things. The >plot follows an artist, who due in part to economic pressures and feelings >of social threat puts herself on the list to receive brain-enhancing >technology. It turns out that this new technology is really special >strains of microbial colonies (readers of _Children's Star will recognize >the idea) that are also part of those warnings (the brain plague) of >infection and slavery (humans to microorganisms). > I thought it was a really great book, and it has so many issues I >want to discuss about it, and I think it is very much worth taking up on >the FSFFU BDG > > >Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student >mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University > >------------------------- > >-mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- > Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) > >------------------------------------------------------ >This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > >Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:00:58 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Comments: Sender has elected to use 8-bit data in this message. If problems arise, refer to postmaster at sender's site. From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nomination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Given that with 8 nominations so far we are still on the short side for the nomination list I allow myself a third nomination. I nominate The Fortunate Fall, by Raphael Carter Paperback - 288 pages (May 1997) Tor Books; ISBN: 0312863276, $13.95 Carter won the 1998 Tiptree for one of his short stories. This was his first novel which is generally praised (there's a multitude of reviews out there). I think _Fortunate Fall_ would be an interesting book to discuss. >From Booklist , July 19, 1996 http://www.ala.org/booklist/v92/33a.html#Carter In one of the most brilliant sf debuts n one of the most brilliant sf debuts in years, Carter offers an unforgettably original vision of the news media's future in cyberspace broadcasting. Maya Andreyeva is a "camera" ; that is, she is wired with microchips and nanobugs to transmit her on-the-scene reports, with complete input from all five senses, to a global audience. Viewers equipped with "moistdisk" can even read her thoughts, which is why Maya needs Keishi, a "screener," who edits out unwanted memories and feelings. Besides the immediate psychic intimacy of their relationship, Keishi quickly discovers Maya's secret: a 10-year memory shield slapped in place by Net police in punishment for Maya's previous life of crime. Unfortunately, those same 10 years, into which Maya must eventually delve somehow, also contain the secrets behind a story she and Keishi are investigating about a genocidal massacre that rivals the Holocaust. Carter's vision of a twenty-fourth century dominated by intelligence-enhancing microchips and twisted political ideologies is as breathtakingly imaginative as the accompanying story line is gripping. A mind-boggler than ranks with Gibson's Neuromancer and Stephenson's Snow Crash as one of the best novels about virtualreality. Carl Hays Copyright© 1996, American Library Association. All rights reserved Review in Strange Words http://www.strangewords.com/archive/fall.html "To put it simply, Raphael Carter has a genius for language. Carter wields a compelling prose style that effectively evokes a grimly wired cyber-future, then uses it to confront issues of Censorship, Surveillance, and Sexual Identity. (Visit the author's web site extolling the virtues of androgyny for a deeper look into "zer" (his/her) views on this last topic.) The treatment is sophisticated and powerful, calling to mind totalitarian horrors of the modern age, without trivialization or paraphrasing. Make no mistake, The Fortunate Fall is a stunning first novel and Raphael Carter is a powerful new addition to the science fiction scene." There's a sample chapter online: http://www.tor.com/sampleFortunateFall.html Further reviews: - PostViews http://www.cs.latrobe.edu.au/~agapow/Postviews/past_c- d.html#fortunatefall - Review by Christina Schulman http://www.pitt.edu/~schulman/SF/fortunate- fall.html - Review by Michael Rawdon http://surfin.spies.com/~rawdon/books/sf/carter.html - Publisher's Weekly Online http://www.bookwire.com/PW/Science- Fiction/read.Review$2423 - Review by Rich Horton http://www.sff.net/people/richard.horton/fortfall.htm - The Paired Reading Page (Spoilers!) http://www.steelypips.org/paired/fall_playrv.html - Emerald City #58 (Review by Cheryl Morgan) http://www.emcit.com/emcit058.shtml#Minds - Basilisk Dreams Books http://www.basilisk.on.ca/books/reviews/staff/fortunate.html Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:15:35 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG 2. Intermediate Nomination List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT It's the last day of the nomination period. So far 9 books are nominated (see list at the end of this email). The comments and reviews can be looked up at http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0401.htm . The nomination period closes today. You can still nominate books! Petra Nominations: 9, 26 April - Raphael Carter: The Fortunate Fall. List Price: $13.95 (Amazon $11.16), Paperback 288 pages (May 1997), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312863276 - Keith Hartman: The Gumshoe, the Witch, and the Virtual Corpse. Meisha Merlin Publishing; ISBN: 1892065053; List Price $16.00 - Mercedes Lackey: The Black Swan. DAW Books. List price 6.99 - Ursula K. Le Guin: Always Coming Home. Paperback - 525 pages (February 5, 2001) Univ California Press; ISBN: 0520227352, List Price: $14.95 - Joan Slonczewski: Brain Plague. 2000, TOR, $6.99, Mass Market, ISBN: 0812579143 - Starhawk: The Fifth Sacred Thing. Format: Paperback, 1st ed., 496pp., ISBN: 0553373803, Publisher: Bantam Books, Incorporated, Pub. Date: May 1994, Edition Desc: REPRINT, List price $14.95 - David Weber: The Honor of the Queen (Honor Harrington). Price: $7.99, Mass Market Paperback - 422 pages Reissue edition (June 1993), Baen Books; ISBN: 0671721720 - Janine Ellen Young: The Bridge. List Price: $6.50, Mass Market Paperback - 348 pages (September 2000), Aspect; ISSBN: 0446607991 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.03 x 6.74 x 4.27 - Sarah Zettel: Playing God. Mass Market Paperback - 448 pages (November 1999), Warner Books; ISBN: 0446607584; List Price: $6.99 Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:50:29 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Todd Mason Subject: Hugo Ballot items, courtesy Mike Resnick and SF-Lit@LOC.Gov (apol ogies for redundancy) Comments: To: "sciencefiction-l@listserv.indiana.edu" Comments: cc: "fictionmags@yahoogroups.com" , "keiko_hassler@hotmail.com" , "jem@sonicbox.com" , Virginia Ely , Fred K Ollinger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 2001 HUGO BALLOT Nominations for Novel: (381 nominating ballots, 205 nominees): A Storm of Swords by George R.R. Martin (Voyager; Bantam Spectra) Calculating God by Robert J. Sawyer (Tor) Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling (Bloomsbury; Scholastic/Levine) Midnight Robber by Nalo Hopkinson (Warner Aspect) The Sky Road by Ken MacLeod (Orbit 1999;Tor 2000) Nominations for Novella: (229 nominating ballots, 50 nominees; 6 nominees due to a tie): "A Roll of the Dice" by Catherine Asaro (Analog Jul/Aug 2000) "Oracle" by Greg Egan (Asimov's Jul 2000) "Radiant Green Star" by Lucius Shepard (Asimov's Aug 2000) "Seventy-Two Letters" by Ted Chiang (Vanishing Acts: A Science Fiction Anthology, Tor Jul 2000) "The Retrieval Artist" by Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Analog Jun 2000) "The Ultimate Earth" by Jack Williamson (Analog Dec 2000) Nominations for Novellette: (237 nominating ballots, 131 nominees): "Agape Among the Robots" by Allen Steele (Analog May 2000; Imagination Fully Dilated, Vol. 2, IFD Publishing May 2000) "Generation Gap" by Stanley Schmidt (Artemis Spring 2000) "Millennium Babies" by Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Asimov's Jan 2000) "On the Orion Line" by Stephen Baxter (Asimov's Oct/Nov 2000) "Redchapel" by Mike Resnick (Asimov's Dec 2000) Nominations for Short Story: (295 nominating ballots, 248 nominees): "Different Kinds of Darkness" by David Langford (F&SF Jan 2000) "Kaddish for the Last Survivor" by Michael A. Burstein (Analog Nov 2000) "Moon Dogs" by Michael Swanwick (Moon Dogs, NESFA Press Feb 2000; Asimov's Mar 2000) "The Elephants on Neptune" by Mike Resnick (Asimov's May 2000) "The Gravity Mine" by Stephen Baxter (Asimov's Apr 2000) Nominations for Related Book: (213 nominating ballots, 86 nominees): Concordance to Cordwainer Smith, Third Edition by Anthony R. Lewis (NESFA Press) Greetings from Earth: The Art of Bob Eggleton by Bob Eggleton, Nigel Suckling (Paper Tiger) Putting It Together: Turning Sow's Ear Drafts Into Silk Purse Stories, by Mike Resnick (Wildside Press) Robert A. Heinlein: A Reader's Companion by James Gifford Nitrosyncretic Press) Terry Pratchett: Guilty of Literature ed. by Andrew M. Butler, Edward James and Farah Mendlesohn (The Science Fiction Foundation) Nominations for Dramatic Presentation: (279 nominating ballots, 151 nominees): Chicken Run Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon Frank Herbert's Dune Frequency X-Men Nominations for Professional Editor: (288 nominating ballots, 77 nominees): Ellen Datlow Gardner Dozois David G. Hartwell Stanley Schmidt Gordon Van Gelder Nominations for Professional Artist: (246 nominating ballots, 145 nominees): Jim Burns Bob Eggleton Frank Kelly Freas Donato Giancola Michael Whelan Nominations for Semiprozine: (241 nominating ballots, 56 nominees): Interzone edited by David Pringle Locus edited by Charles N. Brown New York Review of Science Fiction edited by Kathryn Cramer, David G. Hartwell, and Kevin Maroney Science Fiction Chronicle edited by Andrew I. Porter Speculations edited by Denise Lee and Susan Fry; published by Kent Brewster Nominations for Fanzine: (194 nominating ballots, 90 nominees): Challenger edited by Guy Lillian III File 770 edited by Mike Glyer Mimosa edited by Nicki and Richard Lynch Plokta edited by Alison Scott, Steve Davies and Mike Scott Stet edited by Dick Smith and Leah Zeldes Smith Nominations for Fan Writer: (201 nominating ballots, 134 nominees): Bob Devney Mike Glyer Dave Langford Evelyn C. Leeper Steven H Silver Nominations for Fan Artist: (127 nominating ballots, 81 nominees): Sheryl Birkhead Brad Foster Teddy Harvia Sue Mason Taral Wayne Nominations for the John W. Campbell Award: (201 nominating ballots, 100 nominees): James L. Cambias (1st year of eligibility) Thomas Harlan (2nd year of eligibility) Douglas Smith (2nd year of eligibility) Kristine Smith (2nd year of eligibility) Jo Walton (1st year of eligibility) Summary: category ballots votes nominees range Novel 381 1189 205 56-28 Novella 229 615 50 45-33 Novellette 237 734 131 32-21 Short Story 295 864 248 31-21 Related Book 213 478 86 35-25 Dramatic Presentation 279 876 151 105-46 Professional Editor 288 786 77 129-61 Professional Artist 246 669 145 127-30 Semiprozine 241 537 56 88-46 Fanzine 194 481 90 54-30 Fan Writer 201 498 134 41-23 Fan Artist 127 316 81 42-16 Campbell Award 201 449 100 29-19 ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:35:06 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Saille Warner Norton Subject: Help identifying a book? In-Reply-To: <3AE80354.29361.3F576A@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, I am trying to remember the title/author of a book I read many years ago. I thought perhaps someone might know what I'm talking about. From what I recall, the book was about a young woman who lived with her tribe on the shore of a river. She decides to see what is further downriver, for no one's every traveled it and returned to tell the others what they found. She encounters various peoples as she goes, and eventually arrives at a large city. Apparently, the technologically advanced urban dwellers know of her people, but have a policy of non-interference. So once she's come to the city, she cannot return and "contaminate" her former people. She's allowed to return to observe them only. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I read this mid to late 80's, but I don't recall if it was a new book, or older. I recall that the title was rather pastoral and/or lyrical. Thanks for any help you can give, Saille ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:42:35 0100 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Nomination Period closed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The nomination period is over. Thank you to all nominators for making suggestions. 9 books were nominated (see list below).The comments and reviews can be looked up at http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/bdg_nom_0401.htm . Voting will be handled by Terri Wakefield . She will send an email explaining the procedure. Please don't send your votes to the list. I wish you a nice weekend. Petra Nominations: 9 - Raphael Carter: The Fortunate Fall. List Price: $13.95 (Amazon $11.16), Paperback 288 pages (May 1997), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312863276 - Keith Hartman: The Gumshoe, the Witch, and the Virtual Corpse. Meisha Merlin Publishing; ISBN: 1892065053; List Price $16.00 - Mercedes Lackey: The Black Swan. DAW Books. List price 6.99 - Ursula K. Le Guin: Always Coming Home. Paperback - 525 pages (February 5, 2001) Univ California Press; ISBN: 0520227352, List Price: $14.95 - Joan Slonczewski: Brain Plague. 2000, TOR, $6.99, Mass Market, ISBN: 0812579143 - Starhawk: The Fifth Sacred Thing. Format: Paperback, 1st ed., 496pp., ISBN: 0553373803, Publisher: Bantam Books, Incorporated, Pub. Date: May 1994, Edition Desc: REPRINT, List price $14.95 - David Weber: The Honor of the Queen (Honor Harrington). Price: $7.99, Mass Market Paperback - 422 pages Reissue edition (June 1993), Baen Books; ISBN: 0671721720 - Janine Ellen Young: The Bridge. List Price: $6.50, Mass Market Paperback - 348 pages (September 2000), Aspect; ISSBN: 0446607991 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.03 x 6.74 x 4.27 - Sarah Zettel: Playing God. Mass Market Paperback - 448 pages (November 1999), Warner Books; ISBN: 0446607584; List Price: $6.99 Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:44:09 +1000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Kate Orman Subject: Chix in pix :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is a little off-topic, but I'd like peoples' thoughts on it, especially on the difference between cinematic and written SF. A curious comment from SF author Steven Barnes, in the Author's Note to his novelisation of the ST: DS9 episode "Far Beyond the Stars": "Well, come the 1960s or so, and black characters began appearing in science fiction, horror, and action films. But do you know what? They usually only existed to die horribly, and usually to protect white people. (And whatever feminists say about the parallels between sexism and racism, there is _no_ similar pattern of women dying in movies to protect men. Quite the opposite, in fact. Male lives are cheaper than women's, and minority lives cheaper than white." (p 265) "Quite the opposite" indeed. Women in those films don't die to protect men; they die at the hands of men. Merely strolling through the horror section of any video store would open Barnes' eyes to the role of women in so many films: sex crime victim. Women's lives are just as "cheap" in SF and action films - especially when they're "bad" women, such as the slaughtered prostitutes in "Alien Nation" and "Total Recall". (But my personal favourite is the monster in "Galaxy of Terror" whose secretions dissolve only women's clothes.) The "parallel" between racism and sexism here is that the main heroes of horror, action, and SF films are almost always white men. Blacks and women (and black women!) can be sidekicks, love interests, rewards, and victims, but rarely have a central role. (I've just been rather disappointed by "Dr No" - Ursula Andress' knife-wielding, rapist-slaying tough girl ends up being rescued and ravished by Bond. HIs black buddy, true to Barnes' complaint, got barbequed. Bleargh.) Are roles for women and blacks better in written SF than in the fruits of Hollywood? My general impression so far is: yes! Kate Orman http://www.zip.com.au/~korman/ "I have no idea what that meant." - Dot Warner ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:00:22 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Cera Kruger Subject: Re: Help identifying a book? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426132823.00b44490@floating.idyll.org> from "Saille Warner Norton" at Apr 26, 2001 01:35:06 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saille Warner Norton writes: > >Hi, > >I am trying to remember the title/author of a book I read many years ago. I >thought perhaps someone might know what I'm talking about. From what I >recall, the book was about a young woman who lived with her tribe on the >shore of a river. She decides to see what is further downriver, for no >one's every traveled it and returned to tell the others what they found. >She encounters various peoples as she goes, and eventually arrives at a >large city. Apparently, the technologically advanced urban dwellers know of >her people, but have a policy of non-interference. So once she's come to >the city, she cannot return and "contaminate" her former people. She's >allowed to return to observe them only. > >Does this sound familiar to anyone? I read this mid to late 80's, but I >don't recall if it was a new book, or older. I recall that the title was >rather pastoral and/or lyrical. Sounds to me a bit like Patricia McKillip's _Moon-Flash_ -- sadly out of print, but I've seen a number of used copies floating around. -- Cera -- Cera Kruger -++- diony@idiom.com -+- http://www.requiem.com -++- SFLAaE/BS "And it's alright if you hate that way / hate me cause I'm different / hate me cause I'm gay / Truth of the matter come around one day / so it's alright." -- Emily Saliers (Indigo Girls' _Shaming of the Sun_) ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:10:28 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Jennifer R. J." Subject: Re: Help identifying a book? In-Reply-To: <200104271900.MAA89352@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'll second what Cera said. It sounds a lot like Moon-Flash to me. I read it and the sequel The Moon and the Face last year. Jennifer At 12:00 PM 4/27/01 -0700, you wrote: >Saille Warner Norton writes: > >Hi, > >I am trying to remember the title/author of a book I read many years ago. I > >thought perhaps someone might know what I'm talking about. From what I > >recall, the book was about a young woman who lived with her tribe on the > >shore of a river. She decides to see what is further downriver, for no > >one's every traveled it and returned to tell the others what they found. > >She encounters various peoples as she goes, and eventually arrives at a > >large city. Apparently, the technologically advanced urban dwellers know of > >her people, but have a policy of non-interference. So once she's come to > >the city, she cannot return and "contaminate" her former people. She's > >allowed to return to observe them only. > >Does this sound familiar to anyone? I read this mid to late 80's, but I > >don't recall if it was a new book, or older. I recall that the title was > >rather pastoral and/or lyrical. >Sounds to me a bit like Patricia McKillip's _Moon-Flash_ -- sadly out >of print, but I've seen a number of used copies floating around. >-- Cera >Cera Kruger -++- diony@idiom.com -+- http://www.requiem.com -++- SFLAaE/BS ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:13:40 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Saille Warner Norton Subject: Re: Help identifying a book? In-Reply-To: <200104271900.MAA89352@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That's it! Thanks so much! (I'd been trying to recall this title for several months now.) Saille At 12:00 PM 04/27/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Saille Warner Norton writes: > > > >Hi, > > > >I am trying to remember the title/author of a book I read many years ago. I > >thought perhaps someone might know what I'm talking about. From what I > >recall, the book was about a young woman who lived with her tribe on the > >shore of a river. She decides to see what is further downriver, for no > >one's every traveled it and returned to tell the others what they found. > >She encounters various peoples as she goes, and eventually arrives at a > >large city. Apparently, the technologically advanced urban dwellers know of > >her people, but have a policy of non-interference. So once she's come to > >the city, she cannot return and "contaminate" her former people. She's > >allowed to return to observe them only. > > > >Does this sound familiar to anyone? I read this mid to late 80's, but I > >don't recall if it was a new book, or older. I recall that the title was > >rather pastoral and/or lyrical. > >Sounds to me a bit like Patricia McKillip's _Moon-Flash_ -- sadly out >of print, but I've seen a number of used copies floating around. > > >-- Cera > >-- >Cera Kruger -++- diony@idiom.com -+- http://www.requiem.com -++- SFLAaE/BS >"And it's alright if you hate that way / hate me cause I'm different / >hate me cause I'm gay / Truth of the matter come around one day / so >it's alright." -- Emily Saliers (Indigo Girls' _Shaming of the Sun_) > >------------------------------------------------------ >This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT > >Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:07:00 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Terri Subject: BDG Voting Comments: To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Everyone! Please send your votes for your FOUR (4) choices for the next BDG group read to me at...... not to the list!! Also, would you list your choices from 1-4, with number 1 being your 1st choice. This new way of voting should eliminate any problem with tie votes. :o) You should receive a reply from me within 24 hours that I have received your votes. If you do not receive a confirmation from me, please let me know. We don't want anyone's votes to be lost in cyber space! The voting period is from now until midnight, May 5th, USA, EST. The winners will be announced early the following week. The nominated books are listed below. Happy voting! Terri Wakefield - Raphael Carter: The Fortunate Fall. List Price: $13.95 (Amazon $11.16), Paperback 288 pages (May 1997), Tor Books; ISBN: 0312863276 - Keith Hartman: The Gumshoe, the Witch, and the Virtual Corpse. Meisha Merlin Publishing; ISBN: 1892065053; List Price $16.00 - Mercedes Lackey: The Black Swan. DAW Books. List price 6.99 - Ursula K. Le Guin: Always Coming Home. Paperback - 525 pages (February 5, 2001) Univ California Press; ISBN: 0520227352, List Price: $14.95 - Joan Slonczewski: Brain Plague. 2000, TOR, $6.99, Mass Market, ISBN: 0812579143 - Starhawk: The Fifth Sacred Thing. Format: Paperback, 1st ed., 496pp., ISBN: 0553373803, Publisher: Bantam Books, Incorporated, Pub. Date: May 1994, Edition Desc: REPRINT, List price $14.95 - David Weber: The Honor of the Queen (Honor Harrington). Price: $7.99, Mass Market Paperback - 422 pages Reissue edition (June 1993), Baen Books; ISBN: 0671721720 - Janine Ellen Young: The Bridge. List Price: $6.50, Mass Market Paperback - 348 pages (September 2000), Aspect; ISSBN: 0446607991 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.03 x 6.74 x 4.27 - Sarah Zettel: Playing God. Mass Market Paperback - 448 pages (November 1999), Warner Books; ISBN: 0446607584; List Price: $6.99 ------------------------------------------------------ This is the FEMINISTSF-LIT listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF-LIT Contact FEMINISTSF-LIT-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems.