From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:52:14 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:38:43 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0108C" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:57:17 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Terri Subject: Re: trouble finding list-reads Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <3B769D6F.39F4CD7A@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi All Thanks for all the suggestions on trying to find a copy of The Fortunate Fall :o). I had ordered it from our local book store in early July, and they tell me it is will still be coming in, but they are not sure when. I try hard to buy my books locally, this is the only book store that has managed to stay open with all the "big store" competition. If this one closes down I will have to drive 20 miles to browse. Thanks again Terri ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:12:51 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Misha Bernard Subject: Re: Brain Plague Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <001301c12464$572a3d00$bea53bcb@carolphil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Carol & Phil Ryles wrote: > Petra said: > > >Some things, however, seem too facile in this book, e.g. > >Plan 10 for yourhealth. > >Have a perfect body and muscles as much as you want > >without any effort! I wish. Of course, this was introduced > > to stress the differences to Plan 1 which does not even > >cover life-threatening diseases. Nonetheless, it > >creates this unrealistic Schlaraffenland-feeling > >(Shangrila?, land of milk >and honey? my > >dictionary cannot help me this time, people lying > >around while >their food flies by itself into their mouth?). Petra- I think a word in English that covers that is 'Cockaigne' which was a Medieval idea about the same. yes, it is unrealistic, but I think that it's also just the unfamiliarity that's created by the future created; some of her other books had that aspect, too, and I just left it because I didn't know how accurate the bio-medicine would be. > > I agree that it does seem unrealistic to have such an effortless way to stay > healthy. However, if nanomedicine takes off, it could be possible. The > websites below are worth a look: Joan takes the process just a wee step > further -- trim off a few fat cells, add a few extra muscles. [snip websites] > The difference between plan 1 and plan 10 does raise some important > questions, however. It is predicted that life preserving nanomachines can > be manufactured cheaply, conveniently, and in vast numbers (see above > URL's). Therefore, after a few generations there would be plenty for > all -- everyone should be able to be free of life threatening diseases > regardless of their wealth. Yet, in Brain Plague, this level of protection > is heavily restricted -- a more believable scenario, I think. BUT, as Carol says, the issue of nanomachines 'for all' and 'cheaply' is something I expect Joan Slonczewski to take up soon. Both in her other books and this one, the reason given why nanotech was excluded by size from being paid was their ubiquity: everyone would have to pay a LOT of mony in salary or for services. Now, in _Brain Plague_ we see that many folks can't afford nanotech through their medical plans, but I think beyond the costs of having them/using them- the additional cost of paying them would place them even farther out of reach for most, but would also cut out some of the 'richness' of their users to stay young, etc. > On a lighter note: I also found a URL for a nanorobot 'art gallery', where > you can download images of specialized 'bots such as respirocytes, > endotheliocytes etc. They are reminiscent of Chrys' microbe pictures :) > > http://www.foresight.org/Nanomedicine/Gallery/index.html Oh, and thanks for the URLS! I'll have to go see them =) Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University ------------------------- -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:49:21 -0800 Reply-To: shander@cdsnet.net Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Sharon Anderson Subject: Re: trouble finding list-reads Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having trouble finding the gumshoe and the witch thingie. My local bookstore said they can't get it, and advised me to call the publishers directly. Any suggestions? --s ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems.