From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:52:21 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:38:43 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0108E" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:47:11 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: John Snead Subject: Re: Maureen F. McHugh Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <200108290118.tooupo.n0h.37kbi16@payne.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tracy A Mitchell wrote: > Maire: > > I've read both books and Half the Day is Night is not a sequel China > Mountain Zhang. I think CMZ is her best book (and one of my all time > favorites) but I enjoyed HTDIN as well. I've never been able to get > through Mission Child, her latest, I won't go into details about my > dis ease with Mission Child because I don't want to spoil anything for > you if you plan to read it as well. Let me know when you finish CMZ > & HTDIN. I'd like to further share my thoughts on them. She is IMHO a truly excellent writer. I am curious as to why you didn't like Mission Child. That was my favorite book of hers, in part because I am very interested in gender variance and from my perspective she handled the topic exceptionally well. -John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:47:11 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: John Snead Subject: Re: Maureen F. McHugh Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <200108290118.tooupo.n0h.37kbi16@payne.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Maire wrote: > > Just wondering- I am reading Half of the Day is Night, by Maureen F. > McHugh, but I havent read her first novel, China Mountain Zhang. I > just wanted to check, that in fact, Half of teh Day is not a sequel to > China Mountain. Just because I know that China is about a young Asian > gay man... and Half of the day is about a, so far, young Asian quiet > reserved man with worries about his chicken legs. As the author;s > name, Maureen McHugh, isnt an Asian name, I dont know what nationality > she is, but i would think that its reasonably un-commonplace for > authors to write about people from different races and particularly > race + nationality/country/ culture. The two books are unrelated. As for writing about different cultures, I'm guessing that she uses Asian characters a lot because she lived in China for a number of years (info I got from her website, which also contain many excellent essays). -John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:30:54 +0200 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Marga <428476@FILOZ.UNIZAR.ES> Subject: currently reading Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm currently reading THE SHORE OF WOMEN by Pamela Sargent. Anyone read anything from her?. Just finished PRIESTESS OF AVALON by MZB ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 05:31:57 +1000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maire Subject: Re: currently reading Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, but I have Shore of WOmen... also have Priestess, also unread. Any good? IMO, none of the prequels weree quite up to Mists, but still v enjoyable. How far are you into Shore? If not too far, I might start so we can discuss Maire Currently Reading: The Riddle-Master Trilogy by Patricia McKilip; Half the Day is Night by Maureen F. McHugh; Elric by Moorcock; Threshold by Sara Douglass; The Master-Harper of Pern by Anne McCaffrey Just Read: Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson; City of Sorcery by MZB; The Keepers by Pauline Kirk; Ender;s Game by OSC > -----Original Message----- > From: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC > [mailto:feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Marga > Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2001 5:31 AM > To: feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU > Subject: [*FSF-L*] currently reading > > > I'm currently reading THE SHORE OF WOMEN by Pamela Sargent. Anyone read > anything from her?. > > Just finished PRIESTESS OF AVALON by MZB > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf-lit > > Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:04:18 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Janice E. Dawley" Subject: Pamela Sargent (was Re: currently reading) On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:30:54 +0200, Marga wrote: >I'm currently reading THE SHORE OF WOMEN by Pamela Sargent. Anyone read >anything from her? I read her novel *Venus of Dreams* several years ago and found it maddening. I hated the lead character, Iris Angharads, and the family dynamics were quite frustrating to read about -- everyone was stubborn, stubborn, stubborn. There was some interesting extrapolation of a future plains society in the midwestern US -- women holding the property and power and men roaming around like nomads. It didn't come across as very attractive, though. I've gathered that *The Shore of Women* is about a society that is even more sex-segregated. What do you think of it so far? -- Janice ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:37:30 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Dave Belden Subject: Re: Pamela Sargent (was Re: currently reading) Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <200108292004.PAA36338@listserv.uic.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read Pamela Sargent's Watchstar, probably about 18 years ago. The main thing I recall, apart from it being a good read, is that my wife, who is strongly feminist and rarely if ever likes sf, was delighted by it. Dave Belden (My first posting to this or any listserve list. To introduce myself: I'm a writer - two sf novels that I consider feminist sf published in the late 80's by NAL - Children of Arable and To Warm The Earth. I have revised them for republication by Vivisphere this year as part of a longer series I am calling Gendering; the third one is to come out next year.) -----Original Message----- From: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC [mailto:feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Janice E. Dawley Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:04 PM To: feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSF-L*] Pamela Sargent (was Re: currently reading) On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:30:54 +0200, Marga wrote: >I'm currently reading THE SHORE OF WOMEN by Pamela Sargent. Anyone read >anything from her? I read her novel *Venus of Dreams* several years ago and found it maddening. I hated the lead character, Iris Angharads, and the family dynamics were quite frustrating to read about -- everyone was stubborn, stubborn, stubborn. There was some interesting extrapolation of a future plains society in the midwestern US -- women holding the property and power and men roaming around like nomads. It didn't come across as very attractive, though. I've gathered that *The Shore of Women* is about a society that is even more sex-segregated. What do you think of it so far? -- Janice ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:36:15 GMT Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Jeremy H. Griffith" Organization: Omni Systems, Inc. Subject: Re: Pamela Sargent (was Re: currently reading) Comments: To: feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU In-Reply-To: <200108292004.PAA36338@listserv.uic.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:30:54 +0200, Marga wrote: >I'm currently reading THE SHORE OF WOMEN by Pamela Sargent. >Anyone read anything from her? Pamela Sargent has some 15 books to her credit, not counting the three anthologies, two of which were _Women of Wonder_. I've read almost all of the books (but not those anthologies, though they *are* in one of my To Be Read bookcases). ;-) My very favorite so far is _Climb the Wind_, a 1998 novel "of Another America" in which Native people come out a lot better off than they have historically. I'd like to move there, myself... _Shore of Women_ was pretty early, and has some similarities to Tepper's _Gate to Women's Country_; I consider both of them very much Second Wave feminist works. Both excellent, both with their problematic aspects, both well worth reading and rereading. Her Venus pair, _Venus of Dreams_ and _Venus of Shadows_, were painted with a broader brush, but I liked them both again... They have just become a trilogy, in fact, with her latest _Child of Venus_ (I think) out in hardcover. I may not be able to wait for the PB of that... ;-) One I've somehow missed is _Ruler of the Sky_, an historical about Genghis Khan, which seems unfortunately to be OOP. But all the rest are SF... Sargent was onto bioscience issues early on, and many of her books have that focus. --Jeremy H. Griffith http://www.omsys.com/jeremy/ ------------------------------------------------------ This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf-lit Contact feministsf-lit-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:52:10 +1000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maire Subject: Re: Pamela Sargent (was Re: currently reading) Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <3be1863f.535509191@smtp.omsys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thats interesting you ay that Climb the Wind is your fav, as I recently picked that up in HB in teh bargain shelf, which I was quite pleaseed about. Maire Currently Reading: The Riddle-Master Trilogy by Patricia McKilip; Half the Day is Night by Maureen F. McHugh; Elric by Moorcock; Threshold by Sara Douglass; The Master-Harper of Pern by Anne McCaffrey Just Read: Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson; City of Sorcery by MZB; The Keepers by Pauline Kirk; Ender;s Game by OSC > -----Original Message----- > From: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC > [mailto:feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith > Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2001 10:36 AM > To: feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU > Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] Pamela Sargent (was Re: currently reading) > > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:30:54 +0200, Marga wrote: > >I'm currently reading THE SHORE OF WOMEN by Pamela Sargent. > >Anyone read anything from her? > > Pamela Sargent has some 15 books to her credit, not counting > the three anthologies, two of which were _Women of Wonder_. > I've read almost all of the books (but not those anthologies, > though they *are* in one of my To Be Read bookcases). ;-) > > My very favorite so far is _Climb the Wind_, a 1998 novel > "of Another America" in which Native people come out a lot > better off than they have historically. I'd like to move > there, myself... > > _Shore of Women_ was pretty early, and has some similarities > to Tepper's _Gate to Women's Country_; I consider both of > them very much Second Wave feminist works. Both excellent, > both with their problematic aspects, both well worth reading > and rereading. > > Her Venus pair, _Venus of Dreams_ and _Venus of Shadows_, > were painted with a broader brush, but I liked them both > again... They have just become a trilogy, in fact, with > her latest _Child of Venus_ (I think) out in hardcover. > I may not be able to wait for the PB of that... ;-) > > One I've somehow missed is _Ruler of the Sky_, an historical > about Genghis Khan, which seems unfortunately to be OOP. > But all the rest are SF... Sargent was onto bioscience > issues early on, and many of her books have that focus. > > > --Jeremy H. Griffith > http://www.omsys.com/jeremy/ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This is the feministsf-lit listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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