From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:52:39 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:38:45 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0109E" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:55:52 +0200 Reply-To: p.mayerhofer@web.de Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: BDG Schedule Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on availability the BDG schedule for the next months is: 5 Nov. The Handmaid's Tale, by Margaret Atwood 3 Dec. War for the Oaks, by Emma Bull 7 Jan. A Women's Liberation: A Choice of Futures by and About Women, edited by Connie Willis and Sheila Williams 4 Feb. Illicit Passage, by Alice Nunn The October book is _The Fortunate Fall_ by Raphael Carter. The discussion starts on Monday. To repeat myself: I strongly recommend to order the books now if you want to participate in the discussion. That's the whole point of this long-term schedule. Illicit Passage is out of print but can be ordered from Mysterious Galaxy (send an email to mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com, or orders@mystgalaxy.com). There are 10 copies left, if enough people order MG will place another bulk order to Alice Nunn in Australia. That would take sometime. So please order now if at all. On all other BDG books Mysterious Galaxy gives a 15% discount. Having said all that I have to own that I decided to wait a bit before I order _A Woman's Liberation_. I haven't found any contents list anywhere on the net. In the review at Amazon four stories are explicitly mentioned, 2 of them I already have in other collections. The four stories are one by Nancy Kress (cannot remember the titel right now), 'Even the Queen' by Connie Willis (there were already some lively discussions of it on the list in the past), 'Rachel in Love' by Pat Murphy (also part of _Women of Wonder: Contemporary Years_) and 'A Woman's Liberation' by Ursula Le Guin (also in _Four Ways to Forgiveness_). As the anthology explicitly contains only already published stories, doubles to what I have already are very probable. If somebody has access to the whole content list, it would be nice if s/he posted it. Thank you in advance. Petra -- Petra Mayerhofer p.mayerhofer@web.de Website of Book Discussion Group on feminist sf http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:48:42 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Rose Reith Subject: Re: BDG Schedule Comments: To: p.mayerhofer@web.de, feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU In-Reply-To: <000501c148ff$710ea4d0$dc64e2c3@pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Having said all that I have to own that I decided to wait a bit before I >order _A Woman's Liberation_. I haven't found any contents list anywhere on >the net. In the review at Amazon four stories are explicitly mentioned, 2 of >them I already have in other collections. The four stories are one by Nancy >Kress (cannot remember the titel right now), 'Even the Queen' by Connie >Willis (there were already some lively discussions of it on the list in the >past), 'Rachel in Love' by Pat Murphy (also part of _Women of Wonder: >Contemporary Years_) and 'A Woman's Liberation' by Ursula Le Guin (also in >_Four Ways to Forgiveness_). As the anthology explicitly contains only >already published stories, doubles to what I have already are very probable. >If somebody has access to the whole content list, it would be nice if s/he >posted it. Thank you in advance. Hi, I don't have a copy of the book already, but I went to Amazon to see what they had to say, and from the various reviews I found that the anthology has 10 stories. Within the reviews I managed to find 9 titles mentioned as included: 1. Nancy Kress "Inertia" 2. Connie Willis "Even the Queen" 3. Pat Murphy "Rachel in Love" 4. Ursula LeGuin "A Woman's Liberation" 5. Vonda McIntyre "Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand" 6. Katherine McLean "The Kidnapping of Baroness 5" 7. Anne McCaffery "The Ship Who Mourned" 8. Octavia Butler "Speech Sounds" 9. Sarah Zettle "Fool's Errand" 10. ?????? only one not mentioned???? It does seem entirely possible that all the stories are available elsewhere. Rose > > >Petra > >-- >Petra Mayerhofer p.mayerhofer@web.de > >Website of Book Discussion Group on feminist sf >http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ -- 'As a woman I have no country. As a woman my country is the whole world.' Virginia Woolf ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 14:08:45 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Janice E. Dawley" Subject: Contents of *A Woman's Liberation* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Petra wrote: >If somebody has access to the whole content list, it would be nice if s/he >posted it. I found a list of contents at Powells.com. The stories are: Inertia, by Nancy Kress Even the Queen, by Connie Willis Fool's Errand, by Sarah Zettel Rachel in Love, by Pat Murphy Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand, by Vonda McIntyre The July Ward, by S.N. Dyer The Kidnapping of Baroness 5, by Katherine MacLean Speech Sounds, by Octavia Butler The Ship Who Mourned, by Anne McCaffrey A Woman's Liberation, by Ursula K. Le Guin This seems like a strange sampling of stories. The Amazon.com reviewer, Cynthia Ward, says, "*A Woman's Liberation* seems to promise explicitly feminist stories, but with one exception, that is not what you get. In sociopolitical terms, there isn't much in *A Woman's Liberation* that would discomfort the white, suburban, American middle class, and that's something that will discomfort many feminists." Yet she later sums up, "*A Woman's Liberation* is a superior collection of modern SF stories accompanied by an insightful introduction." So can we assume that the reviewer would rather see feminists than the white, suburban, American middle class (are these mutually exclusive groups?) suffer discomfort? Looks like this one could provide some controversy... ----- Janice E. Dawley.....Burlington, VT http://homepages.together.net/~jdawley/ Listening to: Boiled in Lead -- Alloy "...the public and the private worlds are inseparably connected; the tyrannies and servilities of the one are the tyrannies and servilities of the other." Virginia Woolf, Three Guineas ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 07:41:22 +1000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maire Subject: Re: BDG Schedule Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, that may make it easier. I already have all those Maire Hard SF- Oct discussion "A Door Into Ocean" by Joan Slonczewski http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hardsf > -----Original Message----- > From: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC > [mailto:feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Rose Reith > Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 3:49 AM > To: feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU > Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] BDG Schedule > > > > > >Having said all that I have to own that I decided to wait a bit before I > >order _A Woman's Liberation_. I haven't found any contents list > anywhere on > >the net. In the review at Amazon four stories are explicitly > mentioned, 2 of > >them I already have in other collections. The four stories are > one by Nancy > >Kress (cannot remember the titel right now), 'Even the Queen' by Connie > >Willis (there were already some lively discussions of it on the > list in the > >past), 'Rachel in Love' by Pat Murphy (also part of _Women of Wonder: > >Contemporary Years_) and 'A Woman's Liberation' by Ursula Le > Guin (also in > >_Four Ways to Forgiveness_). As the anthology explicitly contains only > >already published stories, doubles to what I have already are > very probable. > >If somebody has access to the whole content list, it would be > nice if s/he > >posted it. Thank you in advance. > > Hi, > I don't have a copy of the book already, but I went to Amazon to see > what they had to say, and from the various reviews I found that the > anthology has 10 stories. Within the reviews I managed to find 9 > titles mentioned as included: > 1. Nancy Kress "Inertia" > 2. Connie Willis "Even the Queen" > 3. Pat Murphy "Rachel in Love" > 4. Ursula LeGuin "A Woman's Liberation" > 5. Vonda McIntyre "Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand" > 6. Katherine McLean "The Kidnapping of Baroness 5" > 7. Anne McCaffery "The Ship Who Mourned" > 8. Octavia Butler "Speech Sounds" > 9. Sarah Zettle "Fool's Errand" > 10. ?????? only one not mentioned???? > > It does seem entirely possible that all the stories are available > elsewhere. > > Rose > > > > > > > > > >Petra > > > >-- > >Petra Mayerhofer p.mayerhofer@web.de > > > >Website of Book Discussion Group on feminist sf > >http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ > > > -- > 'As a woman I have no country. As a woman my country is the whole world.' > Virginia Woolf ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:24:29 -0700 Reply-To: publicity@mystgalaxy.com Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: A WOMAN'S LIBERATION Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Janice for listing the contents. I got Petra's request and her response in the same digest. > Inertia, by Nancy Kress > Even the Queen, by Connie Willis > Fool's Errand, by Sarah Zettel > Rachel in Love, by Pat Murphy > Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand, by Vonda McIntyre > The July Ward, by S.N. Dyer > The Kidnapping of Baroness 5, by Katherine MacLean > Speech Sounds, by Octavia Butler > The Ship Who Mourned, by Anne McCaffrey > A Woman's Liberation, by Ursula K. Le Guin > While many of us have undoubtedly encountered these stories in the past, as they are all reprints, I found this a handy collection. Can't wait to see Ursula Le Guin on Friday. :: happy sigh :: Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:22:02 +0200 Reply-To: p.mayerhofer@web.de Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: AW: [*FSF-L*] Contents of *A Woman's Liberation* Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010929134235.00a9d910@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, Rose and Janice, for the content list. I'm not so lucky as Maire, I only have half of the stories. Nonetheless I've decided not to buy the book. Instead I will try to find the other stories in the library. It's a pity I will miss the 'insightful introduction' though. That's always an interesting part of any anthology and this time I am especially curious about the intentions of the editors. To find out where I might get the missing stories I looked for them in the Locus Index and in the ISFDB database. As others might also be interested the results of my search are put at the end of this email. For some stories it will be tough. Petra Contents of _A Woman's Liberation_ and pre-publications of stories acc. to Locus and ISFDB (please excuse gaps and mistakes): * Inertia, by Nancy Kress - Analog Jan '90 - The Year's Best Science Fiction: Eighth Annual Collection, ed. Gardner R. Dozois, St. Martin's, 1991 - The Aliens of Earth, Arkham House, 1993 * Even the Queen, by Connie Willis - IASFM Apr '92 - The Year's Best Science Fiction: Tenth Annual Collection, ed. Gardner Dozois, St. Martin's, 1993 - Impossible Things, Bantam Spectra, 1994 - Nebula Awards 28, ed. James Morrow, Harcourt Brace, 1994 - Uncharted Territory, NEL, 1994 - Isaac Asimov's Skin Deep, ed. Gardner Dozois & Sheila Williams, Ace, 1995 - The New Hugo Winners Volume IV, ed. Gregory Benford & Martin H. Greenberg, Baen, 1997 - Isaac Asimov's Mother's Day, ed. Gardner Dozois & Sheila Williams, Ace, 2000 * Fool's Errand, by Sarah Zettel - Analog May '93 - Later expanded into the novel Fool's War * Rachel in Love, by Pat Murphy - Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, Apr 1987, Gardner Dozois, 1987, $2.00 - Orbit SF Yearbook 1987, David Garnett, 1988, Orbit, 0-7088-8292-7, ?4.99, tp - World's Best SF 1988, Donald A. Wollheim, 1988 - The Year's Best Science Fiction: Fifth Annual Collection, Gardner Dozois, 1988, St. Martin's Press, 0-312-01854-1, $15.95, tp - Nebula Awards 23, Michael Bishop, 1989 - Points of Departure, Pat Murphy, 1990, Bantam Spectra, 0-553-28615-3, $3.95, pb - Future on Fire, Orson Scott Card, 1991, Tor, 0-812-51183-2, $4.95, pb - Paragons: Twelve Master Science Fiction Writers Ply Their Craft, Robin S. Wilson, 1996, St. Martin's Press, 0-312-14023-1, $24.95, hc - Women of Wonder: Contemporary Years, 1994 * Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand, by Vonda McIntyre - Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, October 1973, Ben Bova, 1973, $.60 - Best SF of the Year 3, Terry Carr, 1974, Ballantine, pb - Nebula Award Stories 9, Kate Wilhelm, 1974, Harper & Row, hc - Women of Wonder, Pamela Sargent, 1975, Vintage, 0-394-71041-X, $1.95, pb - Looking Ahead, Dick Allen+Lori Allen, 1975, HBJ, 0-15-551184-X, $5.50, tp - The Infinite Web, Robert Silverberg, 1977, Dial, 0-8037-4135-9, hc - The Best of Analog, Ben Bova, 1978, Baronet, tp - Dreamsnake, Vonda N. McIntyre, 1978, Houghton Mifflin, hc - Fireflood and Other Stories, Vonda N. McIntyre, 1979, Houghton Mifflin, 0-395-28422-8, $10.95, hc - Constellations, Malcolm Edwards, 1980, Gollancz, hc - The Arbor House Treasury of Modern Science Fiction, Robert Silverberg+Martin H. Greenberg, 1980, Arbor House, hc - Analog Anthology #1, Stanley Schmidt, 1981, Davis Publications, $2.95, tp - Road to SF 4, James E. Gunn, 1982, Mentor, pb - Fireflood and other stories, Vonda N. McIntyre, 1982, London: Pan Books Ltd, 0330265377, ?1.95, pb - The Road to Science Fiction #4, James E. Gunn, 1982, Mentor, 0-451-62136-0, $4.95, pb - The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume IV, Terry Carr, 1986, Avon, 0-380-89710-5, $4.95, pb - 6 Decades: The Best of Analog, Stanley Schmidt, 1986, Davis, pb - Great Science Fiction of the 20th Century, Robert Silverberg+Martin H. Greenberg, 1987, Avenel Books, 0-517-64124-0 - The Best of the Nebulas, Ben Bova, 1989, Tor, 0-312-93184-0, $19.95, hc - The Best of the Nebulas, Ben Bova, 1990, Robert Hale, 0-7090-4258-2, hc - Women of Wonder: The Classic Years, 1994 * The July Ward, by S.N. Dyer - IASFM Apr '91 - Nebula Awards 28, ed. James Morrow, Harcourt Brace, 1994 - Isaac Asimov's Ghosts, ed. Gardner Dozois & Sheila Williams, Ace, 1995 * The Kidnapping of Baroness 5, by Katherine MacLean - Analog Jan '95 - Women of Other Worlds, 1998 * Speech Sounds, by Octavia Butler - Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, Mid-Dec 1983, Shawna McCarthy, 1983, $1.75 - The New Hugo Winners, Isaac Asimov+Martin H. Greenberg, 1989, Baen, 0-671-72081-3, pb - Norton Book of SF, Ursula K. Le Guin+Brian Attebery, 1993, Norton, 0-393-03546-8, $27.50, hc - Bloodchild and Other Stories, Octavia E. Butler, 1995, Four Walls Eight Windows, 1-56858-055-X, $18.00, hc - Virtually Now: Stories of Science, Technology, and the Future, Jeanne Schinto, 1996, Persea Books, 0-89255-220-4, $13.95, tp - Future on Ice, Orson Scott Card, 1998, Tor, 0-312-86694-1, $24.95, hc * The Ship Who Mourned, by Anne McCaffrey - Analog Science Fiction -> Science Fact, March 1966, John W. Campbell, Jr., 1966, $0.50 - The Ship Who Sang, Anne McCaffrey, 1969, Walker, hc - The Worlds of Anne McCaffrey, Anne McCaffrey, 1981, Andre Deutsch, 0-233-97414-8, hc * A Woman's Liberation, by Ursula K. Le Guin (also part of _Four Ways to Forgiveness_) - Asimov's Jul '95 - Four Ways to Forgiveness, HarperPrism, 1995 - The Year's Best Science Fiction: Thirteenth Annual Collection, ed. Gardner Dozois, St. Martin's, 1996 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:15:59 -0400 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Janice E. Dawley" Subject: Le Guin Web Site (was Re: [*FSF-L*] A WOMAN'S LIBERATION) In-Reply-To: <3BB7554D.1259D98F@mystgalaxy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:24 AM 9/30/01 -0700, Maryelizabeth wrote: >Can't wait to see Ursula Le Guin on Friday. :: happy sigh :: Speaking of whom... A member of the Ekumen mailing list pointed out the other day that Le Guin now has her own web site. It's at http://www.ursulakleguin.com There are excerpts from her latest books there, as well as a delightful array of other content. I particularly enjoyed the rejection letter she received from a publishing house for what became one of her most famous and respected novels. ;-) Does everyone know that Le Guin's latest Earthsea novel, *The Other Wind*, is now available? Anyone have thoughts on it? ----- Janice E. Dawley.....Burlington, VT http://homepages.together.net/~jdawley/ Listening to: Boiled in Lead -- Alloy "...the public and the private worlds are inseparably connected; the tyrannies and servilities of the one are the tyrannies and servilities of the other." Virginia Woolf, Three Guineas