From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:53:17 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:38:48 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0112C" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:52:51 -0500 Reply-To: Amy Harlib Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Amy Harlib Subject: Fw: TO EVERYONE I LOVE! 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Comments: To: ker@paradymstudio.com, scoobymlc@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Funny stuff....... >> > - He'd live in North Carolina instead of the North Pole. >> > - Christmas wouldn't be on the 25th, it'd fall on the 2nd, the day >>after >> > he got his check and he'd still be late. >> > - He'd shop at Walmart and Kmart.>> > - His sleigh would have chrome rims. >> > - He'd wear a FUBU sweatsuit (he couldn't wear red on the west coast), >> > Timbs, and a wave cap. >> > - He'd have sideburns, a goatie and 2 carat diamond earrings. >> > - He'd wrap all the presents in newspaper or paper bags. >> > - He'd pack a nine just in case someone tried to jack him. >> > - He'd have rot's and pits pulling the sleigh instead of reindeer. >> > - He'd leave canned beets to the naughtychildren. >> > - He'd want wings and Crown instead of cookies and milk. >> > - He'd back in the driveway instead of using the chimney. >> > - He'd save all his receipts so he could get a price adjustment, just >>in >> > case something went on sale. >> > - Everyone would know when he was coming cuz they'd hear the bas coming >> > down the street. >> > - Instead of yelling MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT. >>He'd>> > yell ... HOLLLLLAAAAAA! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:10:45 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Saille Warner Norton Subject: Re: If Santa Was Black!! Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This is so racist, I can't believe it was posted. Especially on a feminist list where we're supposed to be aware of these types of related issues. - Saille At 01:54 PM 12/18/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Funny stuff....... > > > >> > - He'd live in North Carolina instead of the >North Pole. > >> > - Christmas wouldn't be on the 25th, it'd fall on >the 2nd, the day >>after > >> > he got his check and he'd still be late. > >> > - He'd shop at Walmart and Kmart.>> > - His >sleigh would have chrome rims. > >> > - He'd wear a FUBU sweatsuit (he couldn't wear >red on the west coast), > >> > Timbs, and a wave cap. > >> > - He'd have sideburns, a goatie and 2 carat >diamond earrings. > >> > - He'd wrap all the presents in newspaper or >paper bags. > >> > - He'd pack a nine just in case someone tried to >jack him. > >> > - He'd have rot's and pits pulling the sleigh >instead of reindeer. > >> > - He'd leave canned beets to the naughtychildren. > >> > - He'd want wings and Crown instead of cookies >and milk. > >> > - He'd back in the driveway instead of using the >chimney. > >> > - He'd save all his receipts so he could get a >price adjustment, just >>in > >> > case something went on sale. > >> > - Everyone would know when he was coming cuz >they'd hear the bas coming > >> > down the street. > >> > - Instead of yelling MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND >TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT. > >>He'd>> > yell ... HOLLLLLAAAAAA! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:30:20 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Terri Wakefield Subject: Re: If Santa Was Black!! Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Not funny. :o( Terri > Subject: [*FSF-L*] If Santa Was Black!! > > Funny stuff....... > > >>>> - He'd live in North Carolina instead of the > North Pole. >>>> - Christmas wouldn't be on the 25th, it'd fall on > the 2nd, the day >>after ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:24:11 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Tracy A Mitchell Subject: this was a mistake Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I apologize to all on the list. This was sent totally by accident, with the group's email address somehow, regretfully, making its way into my outgoing address. I do apoligize and the message in no way was meant to be send to this list. Tracy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:52:07 EST Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Lou Hoffman Subject: Re: If Santa Was Black!! Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ff.10edbf05.29515ad7_boundary" --part1_ff.10edbf05.29515ad7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is really bad, racist bull. What the heck is this doing on a feminist list? Lou --part1_ff.10edbf05.29515ad7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is really bad, racist bull.
What the heck is this doing on a feminist list?
Lou
--part1_ff.10edbf05.29515ad7_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:40:55 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Laura Quilter Subject: apologies to all Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII apologies to everyone for the recent inappropriate & off-topic posts. i've contacted the senders. while we're on the subject, i'm in the middle of exams right now so i might not be as attentive as i should be -- so if there any problems, please send a note to me directly at lauraq@exo.net (my personal account) labelled URGENT in the subject line, okay? peace Laura Quilter / lquilter@exo.net list-mistress feministsf / feministsf-lit ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:23:57 +0000 Reply-To: Torreif Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Torreif Subject: Re: If Santa Was Black!! Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 18 Dec 2001, 18:54:32, Tracy A Mitchell wrote: TAM> Funny stuff....... Actually, I found it rather racist and tasteless. I thought this was a feminist list. -- Wildbird mailto:torreif@yahoo.co.uk Prue: If he can kill thirteen unmarried witches before midnight, he'll be freed from the underworld to wreak his terror every single day. Piper: Unmarried. Like being single doesn't have enough problems. Charmed Owner/Moderator of: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MoonShield_WingSisters http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magevale ICQ: 82980723 Authorization required OutVale Wizard for MageVale MUSH, an adult kink-friendly role play MUSH Telnet:MageVale.mudservices.com:3333 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:24:25 -0700 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Susan Hericks Subject: Re: BDG: War for the Oaks Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message-----Sandra wrote: In the edition I have (2001, Orb Edition/Tom Doherty Associates), there is an appendix entitled "That Would Make a Great Movie" and it includes some scenes from a screenplay written by Emma Bull and her husband Will Shetterly. One of the scenes sheds a different light on the character of Stuart and until I read it I felt the same way as Janice described above. Bull points out: "Will and I were able to fill out Stuart's story and give it more resolution, something I couldn't do when I was writing exclusively from Eddi's point of view." I actually wish that I hadn't read these scenes at all! They seemed very predictable "Hollywood" to me, lacking the texture of the book. The climactic scene was especially hokey, I thought--the band prevailing, the crowd cheering, Eddie being swept up into the Phouka's arms. Please! I walked away from the book with a much less positive feeling after that. I loved this book, but I also felt that the tension wasn't kept up in the second battle or the final showdown. As someone else suggested, they were too short. I liked the scene in the ladies room with both faerie queens, however. The best part of this book for me personally was the Minneapolis setting. I lived there for 5 years, literally on the next street over from Eddie's, right on Loring Park. The nostalgia for Nicolett Mall and all the rest was just killing me. Hmmm... I was loving the book as I read it and now feel much less enthusiastic as some of its flaws begin to occur to me. Well---at least I finished the BDG book for once! I enjoyed reading all your comments. Lou, go and have lunch at St. Martin's Table for me, would ya? And take a stroll around the Walker Sculpture Garden while you're at it! Susan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:38:49 EST Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Lou Hoffman Subject: Re: BDG: War for the Oaks Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5a.3b64764.2952b749_boundary" --part1_5a.3b64764.2952b749_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/01 6:24:59 PM Central Standard Time, shericks@PRESCOTT.EDU writes: > Lou, go and have lunch at St. Martin's Table for me, would ya? And take a > stroll around the Walker Sculpture Garden while you're at it! > > Susan > Not a hard suggestion to follow up on! I'll give your greetings to the lakes and the falls too! And try another of Emma's books, "Bone Dance", Mpls in a not so wonderful future.... Lou --part1_5a.3b64764.2952b749_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/01 6:24:59 PM Central Standard Time, shericks@PRESCOTT.EDU writes:


Lou, go and have lunch at St. Martin's Table for me, would ya? And take a
stroll around the Walker Sculpture Garden while you're at it!

Susan


Not a hard suggestion to follow up on! I'll give your greetings to the lakes and the falls too! And try another of Emma's books, "Bone Dance", Mpls in a not so wonderful future....

Lou --part1_5a.3b64764.2952b749_boundary--