Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0202C" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:53:37 -0800 Reply-To: publicity@mystgalaxy.com Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: "Bitch" magazine articles -- black women in SF Comments: To: Fem-SF , IsaacL , Science Fiction and Fantasy Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the current issue (#15) of "Bitch magazine has a long article about "Sci-Fi Sisters" by Elyce Rae Helford (focused mostly on film media) and a sidebar on Octavia Butler by Inga Muscio. Seemed like there was not much new information for regular sf readers, but the articles are pretty informative for folks less familiar with the genre. Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:00:36 -0800 Reply-To: publicity@mystgalaxy.com Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Re: AW: [*FSFFU*] "Bitch"-- black women in SF Comments: To: Ingrid Thaler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Ingrid: Looks like your original post just came to me, and I don't have any answers for you. Maybe their web site could help? http://www.bitchmagazine.com/ Otherwise, perhaps someone else on the list has a source closer to you? Good luck, Maryelizabeth Ingrid Thaler wrote: > Could you or anybody else on this list please let me know how I can get a > copy of that issue?? I am living in Germany and have a hard time obtaining > this kind of material. > > Thanks! > Best Wishes, > Ingrid Thaler > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:58:55 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Margaret McBride Subject: Illicit Passage Comments: To: feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was talking with someone about books I had recently read and in trying to remember the title of this month's discussion, I started thinking about what the title means. The characters do "an illicit passage" from their part to the rest of the city, but that doesn't seem to be enough for the title. Other thoughts? ************************************ Margaret McBride, University of Oregon ************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:10:13 +0000 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Angela Barclay Subject: Re: Illicit Passage Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Margaret et. al.: I too suspect there are multiple significances of Nunn's Title. Firstly, we learned that Gillie & co. used the subterranean passages as their preferred travel route even when traveling out in the open would have been legitimate. Do you think this was one more of Gillie's ways of creating her M.O.? ie) She had used the secret passageways for so long people didn't question when she did it. Then, when it came to D day we infer she was able to pick up a cloak at a relative's place and make it unobserved to the square in front of the Red Brick. On. p. 236 it says a woman resembling her entered the square, was killed by what most likely was a laser missile, but that visibility was not good and "no organic matter from her body was recovered." This leads me to several questions: Did Gillie, knowing she was going to die as a result of the combination of drugs in her system, use the laser she had stolen earlier to do herself in? Did she allow herself to be lured there and done in by Flynn and his boys knowing she was going to die anyways? Was someone else duped into going in her place? Did she manage to disappear down one of those illicit passages just before the explosion? (One thing that nags at me is the mention of the man who rented a room near the square the night before- an accomplice? Uncle Mick?- see p. 236) If so, did she meet Bruno on the bombsite as promised? And, as we've already discussed, perhaps the ultimate 'illicit passage' was Gillie and Bruno's escape off the planet. These, of course, are musings about literal passages. In what ways is 'illicit passage' used symbolically? I'm also wondering about the significance/symbolism of the cape. Was insulating it with aluminum a convenience or part of Gillie's intricate schemes? ---------- >From: Margaret McBride >To: feministsf-lit@UIC.EDU >Subject: [*FSF-L*] Illicit Passage >Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2002, 1:58 AM > >I was talking with someone about books I had recently read and in trying to >remember the title of this month's discussion, I started thinking about >what the title means. The characters do "an illicit passage" from their >part to the rest of the city, but that doesn't seem to be enough for the >title. Other thoughts? >************************************ >Margaret McBride, University of Oregon >************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:28:21 -0800 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: Lee Anne Phillips Subject: Re: Illicit Passage Comments: To: Feminist SF/F Literature In-Reply-To: <20020222020159.YVCH28817.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.ne t@[161.184.46.97]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:10 PM 2/21/02 +0000, Angela Barclay wrote: >I'm also wondering about the significance/symbolism of the cape. Was >insulating it with aluminum a convenience or part of Gillie's intricate >schemes? If we begin to believe that she *may* have escaped, then aluminum *might* be reflective enough to deflect a laser, although it would be iffy. Mirror shielding against lasers has a long history in SF, and has the advantage that it would actually work against most visible light (as opposed to X-Ray or other energetic wavelength) lasers. It does seem telling that no organic matter was left behind from her supposed body, since real lasers are not noted for Star Trek phaser-style total disintegration with appropriately sparkling special effects. Even against an X-Ray laser, aluminum would be of some protection, so this may be yet another level of subtlety in a subtle work. One might also wonder about the possibility that Gillie, a somewhat obscure Scots Gaelic reference to an attendant on the Chief of a clan, and Bruno refer in part to Lewis Carroll's Sylvie and Bruno, whose very first words are: "Less Bread! More Taxes!" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:43:04 -0500 Reply-To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC Sender: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC From: "Janice E. Dawley" Subject: Re: Illicit Passage Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC In-Reply-To: <20020222020159.YVCH28817.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.ne t@[161.184.46.97]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:10 PM 2/21/02 +0000, Angela Barclay wrote: >On. p. 236 it says a woman resembling her entered the square, was killed by >what most likely was a laser missile, but that visibility was not good and >"no organic matter from her body was recovered." This leads me to several >questions: Did Gillie, knowing she was going to die as a result of the >combination of drugs in her system, use the laser she had stolen earlier to >do herself in? Hi, Angela. I'm in the process of writing a longer message about *Illicit Passage* (I finished the book the other morning after an all-night reading session!), but I wanted to reply to this right away. I have my doubts about your theory that Gillie was drugged by Security. Why would all the testimony make such a big deal about her and Bruno *not* eating or drinking the offered "refreshment" if they actually did? I thought the background material on the drugs was important to the rest of the story (it was pertinent to the interrogation of Robert Border, Bruno's history of paloramine overdose, and perhaps the testimony of Gravement), but I don't think there was textual evidence that Gillie took any of the drugs. My interpretation of her recklessness near the end is that she had already planned her dramatic exit from Anastasia Union and felt the euphoria of someone who was calling it quits forever. Which isn't to say that I think she died. Dave mentioned the possibility that it was not Gillie but a robot that was blown up outside the Red Brick Lounge. That's my theory. We know Gillie had access to all kinds of storerooms. Just before her supposed death, Annette mentions that Gillie was "pottering about the basement" and poring over an instruction manual (p. 226). I think she abstracted a robot and was programming it to play its part in her great escape. As to why she wanted to escape... I think she knew that she had permanently blown her cover. No longer could she hide in New Town little suspected by the bigwigs. Dorman and Doll both had their eyes on her as did more ominous folk like Gravement and Rosenbery. She could never be sure that no one was out to kill her or worse yet recruit her for their cause! So she decided to leave and start anew somewhere else. >(One thing that nags at me is the mention of the man who rented a room >near the square the night before- an accomplice? Uncle Mick?) Wasn't the room rented by Robert Border, the guy with the missile launcher? ----- Janice E. Dawley.....Burlington, VT http://homepages.together.net/~jdawley/ Listening to: Jory Nash -- One Way Down "I've built my white picket fence around the Now, with a commanding view of the Soon-to-Be." -- The Tick