Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF-LIT LOG0210C" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:52:50 -0700 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Jennifer Krauel Subject: BDG: Books of Great Alta Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I finished these books last night and have been trying to figure out why I was so disappointed. Here are some of the reasons going through my mind: 1. The Hames seemed like girl scout camps. By this I mean they were simple, shallow, pleasant romps in the woods. There were arts and crafts, nuts and berries, even sing-a-longs. But no real meat. Even the conflicts felt shallow. And they were just so chaste, only occasionally venturing into town to sleep with a man. 2. I got REALLY tired of all the folksy sayings. 3. What does "on the slant" mean, anyway? I get the part about not trying to look for literal interpretations while decoding prophecy, but they really seemed to think it was more meaningful and general than that. 4. Maybe this is part of #1, but why were the women so blase about losing their way of life when the hames were attacked? It's as if they gave up way too easily. Almost like the "ending" meant they were too old to be girl scouts anymore.. If Selden hame survived, then that didn't really end, did it? Are we supposed to believe that the other hames shut down? I think it said that Selden hame never got another priestess, so perhaps that meant that their Altan religion ended, but nobody seemed too upset about it. 5. At some point, the Alta said of Jenna that she loved both men and women. But what did that mean, when the only love interest was Carum? 6. And while we're on the subject, how could it be that there weren't any lesbians? There was only the suggestion of one, Iluna and her grieving friend, and even then it's just implied. I found that just really hard to believe. 7. If the little green men were the ones that gave Alta her magic, including how to manifest their dark sides, then how come the dark sisters didn't show up in their special world under the hill? 8. I agree with Dave that Pullman's daemons were a much more powerful illustration of the idea of the dark sisters. In fact, the Golden Compass was so much deeper and more powerful than these books. 9. Overall these books felt very dated, which seems odd for something written to sound like a fairy tale. I can't exactly put my finger on why. I notice the date of Sister Light is 1988, which is not that long ago. Maybe it's the traditional depictions of sexuality. Anyone else get this impression? Well, that's enough ranting and raving. I did read both books, and was somewhat entertained. But I was quite disappointed. Jennifer ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:04:23 +1000 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Julieanne Le Comte Subject: Re: BDG: Books of Great Alta Comments: To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia , FEMINISTSF-LIT@UIC.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm with you on this one Jennifer. I was disappointed and couldn't see much feminist about it, either. The first book, I had read some years ago - and did like that as an appetizer, almost written from Jenna's childlike point-of-view, so I could accept some of the shallowness, in the spirit of the story being from a child's perception - but was expecting more depth as Jenna grew up. But - not even an adventure story, which might have saved it, what a letdown. The dark sisters seem to be an afterthought, Jenna becomes a stereotype romantic 19th-century heroine blushing at her first kiss, and the Hames just keel over and nobody could care less - including me. Julieanne > From: Jennifer Krauel > I finished these books last night and have been trying to figure out why I > was so disappointed. Here are some of the reasons going through my mind: > > 1. The Hames seemed like girl scout camps. By this I mean they were > simple, shallow, pleasant romps in the woods. There were arts and crafts, > nuts and berries, even sing-a-longs. But no real meat. Even the conflicts > felt shallow. And they were just so chaste, only occasionally venturing > into town to sleep with a man. > > 2. I got REALLY tired of all the folksy sayings. > > 3. What does "on the slant" mean, anyway? I get the part about not trying > to look for literal interpretations while decoding prophecy, but they > really seemed to think it was more meaningful and general than that. > > 4. Maybe this is part of #1, but why were the women so blase about losing > their way of life when the hames were attacked? It's as if they gave up > way too easily. Almost like the "ending" meant they were too old to be > girl scouts anymore.. If Selden hame survived, then that didn't really > end, did it? Are we supposed to believe that the other hames shut > down? I think it said that Selden hame never got another priestess, so > perhaps that meant that their Altan religion ended, but nobody seemed too > upset about it. > > 5. At some point, the Alta said of Jenna that she loved both men and > women. But what did that mean, when the only love interest was Carum? > > 6. And while we're on the subject, how could it be that there weren't any > lesbians? There was only the suggestion of one, Iluna and her grieving > friend, and even then it's just implied. I found that just really hard to > believe. > > 7. If the little green men were the ones that gave Alta her magic, > including how to manifest their dark sides, then how come the dark sisters > didn't show up in their special world under the hill? > > 8. I agree with Dave that Pullman's daemons were a much more powerful > illustration of the idea of the dark sisters. In fact, the Golden Compass > was so much deeper and more powerful than these books. > > 9. Overall these books felt very dated, which seems odd for something > written to sound like a fairy tale. I can't exactly put my finger on > why. I notice the date of Sister Light is 1988, which is not that long > ago. Maybe it's the traditional depictions of sexuality. Anyone else get > this impression? > > Well, that's enough ranting and raving. I did read both books, and was > somewhat entertained. But I was quite disappointed. > > Jennifer > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:25:09 +1000 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Maire Subject: Re: BDG: Books of Great Alta Comments: To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20021017201845.00b22260@pop.krauel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi- I don't have much time.. I just wanted to say- I absolutely *loved* the Books of Alta.. I enjoyed every word thoroughly. Feel that Secret History of Ash is rather similar- derivative? I didnt have the reactions others did re the dark sisters. definately my favourite book of the year, and i would put it on top ten. I will write a more interesting (I hope) post later. Also saw the similarity with Pullman's daemons. And- also wondered at lack of lesbians. HOwever, I personally felt PERHAPS taht this was not a lack of lesbian=ness (not a word I guess, sorry) but a lack in general of sexual depiction.. I felt that there *was* lesbianness, but that it was just utterly not remarked on (By author). Obviously, the women of the Hames were very different from people in general.. they lived a kind of.. Buddhist monk type of piousness etc etc... perhaps we can't judge them by the same standards. I simply can't understand saying that its not feminist- am totally puzzled by that comment. I felt that more explanation of the dark sisters would have had a "info-dump" effect... if that makes sense.. prob not, more explanation later. Did nobody else love this book?? Anyone know any more about the fourth book? Maire > -----Original Message----- > From: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and > Utopia [mailto:FEMINISTSF-LIT@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jennifer Krauel > Sent: Friday, 18 October 2002 1:53 PM > To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@UIC.EDU > Subject: [*FSF-L*] BDG: Books of Great Alta > > > I finished these books last night and have been trying to figure out why I > was so disappointed. Here are some of the reasons going through my mind: > > 1. The Hames seemed like girl scout camps. By this I mean they were > simple, shallow, pleasant romps in the woods. There were arts and crafts, > nuts and berries, even sing-a-longs. But no real meat. Even the > conflicts > felt shallow. And they were just so chaste, only occasionally venturing > into town to sleep with a man. > > 2. I got REALLY tired of all the folksy sayings. > > 3. What does "on the slant" mean, anyway? I get the part about > not trying > to look for literal interpretations while decoding prophecy, but they > really seemed to think it was more meaningful and general than that. > > 4. Maybe this is part of #1, but why were the women so blase about losing > their way of life when the hames were attacked? It's as if they gave up > way too easily. Almost like the "ending" meant they were too old to be > girl scouts anymore.. If Selden hame survived, then that didn't really > end, did it? Are we supposed to believe that the other hames shut > down? I think it said that Selden hame never got another priestess, so > perhaps that meant that their Altan religion ended, but nobody seemed too > upset about it. > > 5. At some point, the Alta said of Jenna that she loved both men and > women. But what did that mean, when the only love interest was Carum? > > 6. And while we're on the subject, how could it be that there > weren't any > lesbians? There was only the suggestion of one, Iluna and her grieving > friend, and even then it's just implied. I found that just really hard to > believe. > > 7. If the little green men were the ones that gave Alta her magic, > including how to manifest their dark sides, then how come the dark sisters > didn't show up in their special world under the hill? > > 8. I agree with Dave that Pullman's daemons were a much more powerful > illustration of the idea of the dark sisters. In fact, the Golden Compass > was so much deeper and more powerful than these books. > > 9. Overall these books felt very dated, which seems odd for something > written to sound like a fairy tale. I can't exactly put my finger on > why. I notice the date of Sister Light is 1988, which is not that long > ago. Maybe it's the traditional depictions of sexuality. Anyone else get > this impression? > > Well, that's enough ranting and raving. I did read both books, and was > somewhat entertained. But I was quite disappointed. > > Jennifer ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:59:20 -0400 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Gwen Veazey Subject: Books of Great Alta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C276A6.2C610640" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C276A6.2C610640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I probably shouldn't clog the mailboxes with this, since I only made it = through 50 pages of _Books of Great Alta_, but I did like the = wand-throwing scenes. I could hear the slapping and picture this - very = vivid, also interesting with its relation to sword play. I think I = would have enjoyed this story more as a young girl. Yes, it offered the = comfort of knowing you could relax into a gentle story, but maybe it was = too gentle. I wondered if my reaction was because I don't much like = fantasy, but then Pullman's books were mentioned, and I realized how = much I like them, also Harry Potter books, Wizard of Oz, so that's not = it. Have enjoyed all the comments. Best, Gwen ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C276A6.2C610640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I probably shouldn't clog the mailboxes with this, since I only = made it=20 through 50 pages of _Books of Great Alta_, but I did like the = wand-throwing=20 scenes.  I could hear the slapping and picture this - very vivid, = also=20 interesting with its relation to sword play.  I think I would have = enjoyed=20 this story more as a young girl.  Yes, it offered the comfort of = knowing=20 you could relax into a gentle story, but maybe it was too gentle.  = I=20 wondered if my reaction was because I don't much like fantasy, but then=20 Pullman's books were mentioned, and I realized how much I like them, = also Harry=20 Potter books, Wizard of Oz, so that's not it.  Have enjoyed all the = comments.
Best,
Gwen
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C276A6.2C610640-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:33:50 -0700 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Jennifer Krauel Subject: BDG: great alta.. one more thing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here's one gripe I left off my earlier list: the prophecy said she would be queen but not queen. What part of not-queen applies here? I thought that meant she might refuse to marry Carum, even if she had children with him. But nothing very un-traditional happened. If she goes out into the country a lot instead of sitting on the throne all the time, does that make her not a queen? Maybe it's the unfulfilled promises that make this story so frustrating. It's not a quest, though it sounds like it will be (repeatedly). It's not untraditional, though it promises to be. The idea of a culture of warrior women just isn't novel enough on its own anymore I guess. And I don't believe it stands up to Leguin or Tolkien, even though some reviews make it out that way. The dark sister idea seems very intriguing, but it's never really explored. Obviously some people really love this book, and I don't mean to disparage your tastes. For me, when I think about this book compared to the others we've read and discussed, it just doesn't compare favorably at all. grumpy jennifer, with no white hair (quite a bit of gray though) and a still-living mother ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:19:09 -0700 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Lee Anne Phillips Subject: Books of Great Alta Comments: To: Feminst SF In-Reply-To: <002701c276c7$b4760c80$61c0fea9@vistatech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:59 PM 10/18/2002 -0400, Gwen Veazey wrote: >I probably shouldn't clog the mailboxes with this, since I only made it >through 50 pages of _Books of Great Alta_, but I did like the >wand-throwing scenes. I could hear the slapping and picture this - very >vivid, also interesting with its relation to sword play. I think I would >have enjoyed this story more as a young girl. Yes, it offered the >comfort of knowing you could relax into a gentle story, but maybe it was too >gentle. I wondered if my reaction was because I don't much like fantasy, >but then Pullman's books were mentioned, and I realized how much I like >them, also Harry Potter books, Wizard of Oz, so that's not it. Have >enjoyed all the comments. I wasn't terribly annoyed by the books, although they left quite a bit to be desired. I did get the impression that the comparisons between children's fantasy fiction were apt, although written ostensibly for adults. The Pullman books deliberately avoid the children's book cliches, and Pullman himself is fascinating to listen to, as he soundly trashes such saccharine "classics" as the Narnia books of C.S. Lewis. Lewis, according to Mr. Pullman, hated children and showed it by killing all his "favorites" before they grew to adulthood. The only one to survive was one too reluctant to stay a child forever, Susan, who grew up before Lewis could kill her. Another "children's" series worth comparison is the "So You Want To Be a Wizard" series, which contain a wonderfully complex cast of characters, including a cute gay (but not overt) couple and enough ambiguity and moral choices to engage an average college philosophy class. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:57:35 +0100 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Angela Barclay Subject: Re: BDG: Books of Great Alta Comments: To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm very tentatively replying to your post, Jennifer, because it's been years since I read _Sister Light, Sister Dark_ and _White Jenna_. I'm wondering if these books come across as simple because they were written for a teen audience. Maybe that's why they also aren't as spicy as we'd like. Doesn't Yolen write primarily children's/teen's books? Re: same sex relationships. My take on the dark sisters was not that they were the more daring alter ego of the light sister, but that they were their lovers. Were they also called 'Blanket Sisters?' or 'Blanket Companions'? or did that term come out of another conversation we've had on the list? Angela ---------- >From: Jennifer Krauel >To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@UIC.EDU >Subject: [*FSF-L*] BDG: Books of Great Alta >Date: Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 4:52 AM > >I finished these books last night and have been trying to figure out why I >was so disappointed. Here are some of the reasons going through my mind: > >1. The Hames seemed like girl scout camps. By this I mean they were >simple, shallow, pleasant romps in the woods. There were arts and crafts, >nuts and berries, even sing-a-longs. But no real meat. Even the conflicts >felt shallow. And they were just so chaste, only occasionally venturing >into town to sleep with a man. > >2. I got REALLY tired of all the folksy sayings. > >3. What does "on the slant" mean, anyway? I get the part about not trying >to look for literal interpretations while decoding prophecy, but they >really seemed to think it was more meaningful and general than that. > >4. Maybe this is part of #1, but why were the women so blase about losing >their way of life when the hames were attacked? It's as if they gave up >way too easily. Almost like the "ending" meant they were too old to be >girl scouts anymore.. If Selden hame survived, then that didn't really >end, did it? Are we supposed to believe that the other hames shut >down? I think it said that Selden hame never got another priestess, so >perhaps that meant that their Altan religion ended, but nobody seemed too >upset about it. > >5. At some point, the Alta said of Jenna that she loved both men and >women. But what did that mean, when the only love interest was Carum? > >6. And while we're on the subject, how could it be that there weren't any >lesbians? There was only the suggestion of one, Iluna and her grieving >friend, and even then it's just implied. I found that just really hard to >believe. > >7. If the little green men were the ones that gave Alta her magic, >including how to manifest their dark sides, then how come the dark sisters >didn't show up in their special world under the hill? > >8. I agree with Dave that Pullman's daemons were a much more powerful >illustration of the idea of the dark sisters. In fact, the Golden Compass >was so much deeper and more powerful than these books. > >9. Overall these books felt very dated, which seems odd for something >written to sound like a fairy tale. I can't exactly put my finger on >why. I notice the date of Sister Light is 1988, which is not that long >ago. Maybe it's the traditional depictions of sexuality. Anyone else get >this impression? > >Well, that's enough ranting and raving. I did read both books, and was >somewhat entertained. But I was quite disappointed. > >Jennifer ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 03:19:10 +1000 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Maire Subject: Re: BDG: Books of Great Alta Comments: To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia In-Reply-To: <20021019164159.VNDH18256.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@[161.184.46.151]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blanket companions.. that was the term that arose from the fact that many of the Hame warrior fought with the male armys.. and shared their blankets.. Maire > -----Original Message----- > From: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and > Utopia [mailto:FEMINISTSF-LIT@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Angela Barclay > Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2002 7:58 PM > To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@UIC.EDU > Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] BDG: Books of Great Alta > > > I'm very tentatively replying to your post, Jennifer, because it's been > years since I read _Sister Light, Sister Dark_ and _White Jenna_. I'm > wondering if these books come across as simple because they were > written for > a teen audience. Maybe that's why they also aren't as spicy as we'd like. > Doesn't Yolen write primarily children's/teen's books? > > Re: same sex relationships. My take on the dark sisters was not that they > were the more daring alter ego of the light sister, but that they > were their > lovers. Were they also called 'Blanket Sisters?' or 'Blanket Companions'? > or did that term come out of another conversation we've had on the list? > > Angela > ---------- > >From: Jennifer Krauel > >To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@UIC.EDU > >Subject: [*FSF-L*] BDG: Books of Great Alta > >Date: Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 4:52 AM > > > > >I finished these books last night and have been trying to figure > out why I > >was so disappointed. Here are some of the reasons going through my mind: > > > >1. The Hames seemed like girl scout camps. By this I mean they were > >simple, shallow, pleasant romps in the woods. There were arts > and crafts, > >nuts and berries, even sing-a-longs. But no real meat. Even > the conflicts > >felt shallow. And they were just so chaste, only occasionally venturing > >into town to sleep with a man. > > > >2. I got REALLY tired of all the folksy sayings. > > > >3. What does "on the slant" mean, anyway? I get the part about > not trying > >to look for literal interpretations while decoding prophecy, but they > >really seemed to think it was more meaningful and general than that. > > > >4. Maybe this is part of #1, but why were the women so blase > about losing > >their way of life when the hames were attacked? It's as if they gave up > >way too easily. Almost like the "ending" meant they were too old to be > >girl scouts anymore.. If Selden hame survived, then that didn't really > >end, did it? Are we supposed to believe that the other hames shut > >down? I think it said that Selden hame never got another priestess, so > >perhaps that meant that their Altan religion ended, but nobody seemed too > >upset about it. > > > >5. At some point, the Alta said of Jenna that she loved both men and > >women. But what did that mean, when the only love interest was Carum? > > > >6. And while we're on the subject, how could it be that there > weren't any > >lesbians? There was only the suggestion of one, Iluna and her grieving > >friend, and even then it's just implied. I found that just > really hard to > >believe. > > > >7. If the little green men were the ones that gave Alta her magic, > >including how to manifest their dark sides, then how come the > dark sisters > >didn't show up in their special world under the hill? > > > >8. I agree with Dave that Pullman's daemons were a much more powerful > >illustration of the idea of the dark sisters. In fact, the > Golden Compass > >was so much deeper and more powerful than these books. > > > >9. Overall these books felt very dated, which seems odd for something > >written to sound like a fairy tale. I can't exactly put my finger on > >why. I notice the date of Sister Light is 1988, which is not that long > >ago. Maybe it's the traditional depictions of sexuality. > Anyone else get > >this impression? > > > >Well, that's enough ranting and raving. I did read both books, and was > >somewhat entertained. But I was quite disappointed. > > > >Jennifer ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:16:37 -0700 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Jennifer Krauel Subject: Re: BDG: Books of Great Alta Comments: To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia In-Reply-To: <20021019164159.VNDH18256.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.ne t@[161.184.46.151]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Angela- At 02:57 AM 10/19/02 , you wrote: >I'm very tentatively replying to your post, Jennifer, because it's been >years since I read _Sister Light, Sister Dark_ and _White Jenna_. I'm >wondering if these books come across as simple because they were written for >a teen audience. Maybe that's why they also aren't as spicy as we'd like. >Doesn't Yolen write primarily children's/teen's books? According to Yolen's web site, these books are intended for adults. She does have lots of children's or YA books as well. >Re: same sex relationships. My take on the dark sisters was not that they >were the more daring alter ego of the light sister, but that they were their >lovers. Were they also called 'Blanket Sisters?' or 'Blanket Companions'? >or did that term come out of another conversation we've had on the list? At first I thought the dark sisters were lovers, when both stepped up to adopt the baby Jenna. But later we find out that's not true, that they are two sides of the same person. As Maire points out, the term "blanket companions" referred to their intimate relationships with male soldiers they fought beside. What about the ending? Do people think she took her husband or her dark sister under the hill with her? I thought Yolen's suggestion that women think she took her husband and men think she took her sister to be more traditional romance stuff. I liked that she left it ambiguous, but that last analysis robbed it of its power for me. Jennifer ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 07:52:27 -0700 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Lyla Miklos Subject: Re: BDG: Books of Great Alta Comments: To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20021019200940.00b2f9f0@pop.krauel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > According to Yolen's web site, these books are > intended for adults. She > does have lots of children's or YA books as well. Hey Jennifer! Could you share the URL for Yolen's website with the rest of the list? Thanks Lyla __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 08:19:25 -0700 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: Jennifer Krauel Subject: Re: BDG: Books of Great Alta Comments: To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia In-Reply-To: <20021021145227.74850.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Lyla - Yolen's website is www.janeyolen.com. At 07:52 AM 10/21/02 , you wrote: > > According to Yolen's web site, these books are > > intended for adults. She > > does have lots of children's or YA books as well. > >Hey Jennifer! > >Could you share the URL for Yolen's website with the >rest of the list? > >Thanks >Lyla ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:04:32 -0400 Reply-To: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Sender: friendly STRICTLY ON TOPIC discussion of Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia From: "Janice E. Dawley" Subject: BDG Voting Results and Schedule Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi everyone! The votes have been counted and the results are: Babel-17 (Nov. 4) The Saga of the Renunciates (Dec. 2) Perdido Street Station (Jan. 6) The Silver Metal Lover (Feb. 3) Since we have only two weeks until the next discussion begins, and since Babel-17, at 218 pages, is the shortest of these books, it was chosen for the November slot. Apologies for the lateness. Further details about each book are still available at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/bdg_nom_0210.htm and the schedule will be updated on the BDG home page -- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/index.html -- shortly. Thanks to all. ----- Janice E. Dawley.....Burlington, VT http://therem.net/ Listening to: Coldplay -- A Rush of Blood to the Head "I've built my white picket fence around the Now, with a commanding view of the Soon-to-Be." -- The Tick