"FEMINISTSF LOG9708C" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:20:58 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Holly Yasui Subject: Re: utopias/A Door Into Ocean In-Reply-To: <19970814085635.20060@puma.macbsd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:56 AM 8/14/97 -0400, Allan wrote: >Anyway, I guess my question is what >outlet does the Sharer society have? If someone is basically a stable, >healthy person who does not want to be part of the Sharer society ... >where can that person go? A raft of her own? I think that's an important point, which I tend to overlook in my enthusiasm over the variety of means the Sharers have for peaceable resolution of conflicts. If someone really doesn't want to be a part of the society, I guess they have to go somewhere else, whether on a raft alone or to the planet, or as you mention, starfaring afar. Though this isn't a totally satisfactory solution, I think it's important that Sharers don't try to "keep" or "restrain" those who don't share their values. I guess for me, it comes down to that issue of equal rights AND equal responsibilities ... you don't get the advantages of living in an egalitarian community if you don't pull your weight and abide by the consensus. That may leave out some people ... but those people probably don't want to live in a Sharer society anyway. And the woman emissary who is a "part-time" Sharer seems to have both acceptance within Sharer society when she's there and the freedom to lead a different kind of life when she's not. Is the person from the Twin Oaks intentional community still on the list? If so, what are your thoughts on this issue? >If you really stretch it, you might say that as Merwen processes >the foodstuffs, she generates waste products that the plants will feed >on later, but that encompasses much more than the simple action "to eat". I like that interpretation ... it embodies the kind of awareness of consequences and processes of interrelationship of the Sharer language. Maybe not consciously, but on a deeper level, within the assumptions of the language and its relation to the speakers' attitudes and actions. Maybe it's a strech only because our language doesn't connect us to each other and our environment in those terms. >They don't have much need for >geology, physics, electronics, etc. Some questions that might be >interesting to think about... How well would they weather a >catastrophic event like a meteor impact? What if something happened to >their sun? Where do they go? What do they do? Since they don't have any non-organic materials, geology doesn't make sense, but the "laws" of physics also apply to organic material and I'm fascinated by the possibilities of neurophysiology ... since they are so advanced in biotechnology it doesn't seem too far-fetched to imagine some kind of organic electronics, including biocomputers, based on biochips and biocircuits (and a WWW based on clickflies). As far as natural disasters ... I thought the description of the "sea swallower" season was a compelling look at how a community like the Sharers deal with natural external forces beyond their control. They wouldn't be able to "control" (the way traditional science/engineering attempts) these kinds catastrophes, but I think they'd weather them in the same way they survive the sea swallower season. > >Don't get me wrong, I like the society a lot. I'd be happy to try and >learn to like fish more and become a part of that world--even though I >work with computer for a living now and that would be a completely >useless skill there. I think I'd probably apprentice to a life-shaper... Me, too. Or maybe we could help create biocomputers! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:23:59 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nalo Hopkinson Subject: author search Comments: To: Mary Sheridan <22323mes@msu.edu>, Jennifer Stevenson , Gary Bowen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone know how to contact the U.S. author Thomas Ligotti? Canadian writer Elisabeth Vonarburg is trying to reach him. He's apparently an sf writer? -nalo "You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:14:45 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Ruth Ann Jones Subject: FW: author search According to a 1995 listing in Contemporary Authors, he's also an editor at Gale Research (a reference book publisher) - the address is Gale Research, 835 Penobscot Building, Detroit MI 48226. Gale's web site is http://www.gale.com/ but they don't seem to have a staff email list there, from a quick look. --Ruth Ann ---------- From: Nalo Hopkinson[SMTP:bl213@FREENET.TORONTO.ON.CA] Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 10:24 AM To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: author search Anyone know how to contact the U.S. author Thomas Ligotti? Canadian writer Elisabeth Vonarburg is trying to reach him. He's apparently an sf writer? -nalo "You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:37:10 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: michael levy Subject: Re: author search Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:23 AM 8/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone know how to contact the U.S. author Thomas Ligotti? Canadian >writer Elisabeth Vonarburg is trying to reach him. He's apparently an sf >writer? > >-nalo > Ligotti is primarily a horror writer and may be a member of Horror Writers of America, or whatever they call their professional organization. If you know anyone who's a member, they might have his address. Suzy Charnas perhaps? Mike Levy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:14:00 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Tara Ayres Subject: Re: Geekgirl seeking contributors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCAC14.27CB75A0" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCAC14.27CB75A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would you like this posted the Lesbian Fiction list? It's a list for lesbian fiction writers, as the name might imply? Tara Ayres ---------- From: Freddie Baer[SMTP:fbaer@WESTED.ORG] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 1997 12:17 AM To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: Geekgirl seeking contributors Forwarded by Freddie Baer for Rosie Cross of Geekgirl magazine: *************** Geekgirl (TM) is the world's first cyberfeminist hyperzine and Australia's most popular webzine site. A tool of buttkicking empowerment since Jan 1995: on the web @ (http://www.geekgirl.com.au/geekgirl/). Geekgirl's December issue will be a blend of travel and science fiction, and they're looking for people to contribute text, sound and graphics for this issue. Contributors need to submit by October 15th. Included will be your bio, and any further work or website you choose to highlight. Compensation is not currently available. But it's a terrific platform and opportunity to showcase your work. 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I'm sure Rosie of Geekgirl would love to have more contributors! Freddie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:34:27 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Keri Stone Subject: Re: author search I'm sorry, I can't help with the contact, but you just inspired me to delurk because I spent the last few days going around Cambridge (Mass) trying to locate (used or new) Elisabeth Vonarburg's Silent City and In the Mother's Land which I seem to have misplaced during some recent moves. Anyway, they are nowhere to be found. Does anyone know where I can find them? Keri In a message dated 8/18/97 2:28:42 PM, bl213@FREENET.TORONTO.ON.CA (Nalo Hopkinson) wrote: >Anyone know how to contact the U.S. author Thomas Ligotti? Canadian >writer Elisabeth Vonarburg is trying to reach him. He's apparently an sf >writer? > >-nalo > >"You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which >I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." > -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:54:20 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Keri Stone Subject: Delurking some more While I'm delurking, I just wanted to say that I've been using this list for the past several weeks to get reading suggestions and I am so grateful. I love science fiction, but often have a terrible time locating books which I'll like (as opposed to the many books that I feel obliged to finish because I want to know what happens, but I'm not really loving). For example, Fortunate Fall is the first "cyber" novel that I've found (thanks to this list) that I really enjoyed. On another stupider note, I found "The Sparrow" also thanks to this list, but I've been stuck about 1/2 way through for several days. I'm enjoying it AND want to know what happens, but I'm terrified. I like the characters SO much and am afraid of what might be in store for them. I'm such a wimp! This is why I never go to see thriller/suspense movies either. The way the novel is set up, it seems hard to believe that there could be a positive ending. Keri ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:57:18 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Keri Stone Subject: Re: Delurking some more Whoops, it just occured to me that the last message I sent about "The Sparrow" might have been wrong since it talked a little about the plot. But I don't think I gave anything away that isn't obvious from the book jacket/description. Anyhow, I'm sorry if it should have been spoilered in some way. I don't know the list rules. Keri ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:51:06 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Sandy Moltz Subject: Help for Keri Stone Since Keri Stone did not include her e-mail address, I'm posting this to the list. For advice on where to find science fiction, especially used, books in Cambridge, Mass.: 1.Pandemonium - Science Fiction bookstore in The Garage. 2.Harvard Book Store - whole basement is used books in categories and they have a science fiction section. Sandy Moltz ssm@pdd8.ae.ge.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:05:34 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "George Elgin, Suzette Haden Elgin" Subject: various catchup responses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm way behind with responses to this list -- I hope you don't mind if I slumgullion several together here. First, about my keynote address for the feminist conference in September; several of you have asked to read the darned thing when I get it written. (As you can tell from my tone, I'm having trouble with it.) I'd be delighted to have you do that, and to have feedback from you before I face the world with it. What I'll do is write the speech as email; that way, I can send it to anyone on this list who wants to see it -- just let me know who you are. Second, about finding science fiction. I want to recommend amazon.com; they're very good about finding books, even long-since out of print books. (I was pretty horrified to get a note from someone this week reporting that amazon.com did have one of my outofprints but was asking $190 for it, and wondering if I could suggest a better source; obviously, if you run into that kind of thing it's not helpful. But it's not likely to happen often, surely.) And I suspect that this list could manage to do some *lending* of books that turn out to be really hard to find. Third, about what I've published recently. Almost no science fiction, I'm sorry to say; a very brief short story called "Soulfedge Rock" in Scarborough and McCaffrey's "Space Opera" anthology. My Linguistics & Science Fiction newsletter keeps appearing, by magic -- now coming up on Volume 17, Issue #1. (It takes as much of my time to do the newsletter each year as it would to write a novel, but I'm not sorry; it's very rewarding work.) In nonfiction I've done a little better. I had several new verbal self-defense books from John Wiley -- "You Can't SAY That To Me!", and "Try to Feel It My Way," and "The Gentle Art of Communicating with Kids." I have a book coming out from Thomas Nelson & Sons this October called "How to Turn the Other Cheek" (self-explanatory title, I guess) and I've just turned in the final manuscript to Abbeville for something called "The Portable Grandmother Book." I have a book on "multilingualism and the mind" under contract and am working on that one right now. I have a short book called "The Peacetalk Solution" making the rounds -- no publisher yet; I don't know just what to call it. It's fiction, but not a novel -- more an extended fable. My agent has also been hunting a publisher for a children's book (actually a prequel to my Ozark sf trilogy), called "Proper Names." And there's a science fiction "treatment" being looked at right now by one of the television thingies. I have an essay called "The Pragmatics of Applied Fantasy" coming out shortly in a conference proceedings, and I'm doing an article on the use of science fiction to teach linguistics for a "scholarly" volume. .... I started out thinking there wasn't much going on here, but more occurred to me as I went along. The thing about actually supporting a family by writing is that you have to have a dozen projects in the air at once, at minimum, or you don't make it; absurd as it sounds, it's easy to lose track of things that have been finished and out in the pipeline a while. I'm continuing to work on my sf novel about a touch dominant alternative U.S., whenever I can get a couple of free minutes; that one has the distinction of having been rejected by almost as many publishers as turned down "Jonathan Livingston Seagull." And there are a few more things in the works, mostly short stories, but I've worn out my welcome on this topic by now. Later. Fourth, about unworthiness... It's built in to the way we live, I'm afraid. I think the most difficult thing for me to handle, worse than the "we can't buy your books because nobody ever bought any Native Tongue books" rejections, has always been the fact that I've never been able to get my family to read my stuff; that keeps me humble. Sometimes one of them will read one book because it "speaks to their needs," but by and large they can't be induced or seduced into the task. My grandchildren aren't old enough to tackle it yet, so I don't know what will happen with them. I think we just have to get up every morning, take a deep breath, announce to the universe "I am just as good a writer as Shakespeare" and get on with it, and that takes guts. My profound admiration goes to every single one of you who keeps on writing in spite of it all. Enough, Suzette ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:48:51 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Diane G Kadanoff Subject: Re: author search In-Reply-To: <970819013419_1054272309@emout12.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Keri- Have you tried New Words in Cambridge. That's the women's bookstore on Hampshire Street. It seems to me I got a copy of In the mother's land there about two or three months ago. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:42:02 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Keri Stone Subject: Re: Help for Keri Stone Comments: To: sandy.moltz@ae.ge.com, bl213@freenet.toronto.on.ca In a message dated 8/19/97 10:56:40 AM, you wrote: >Since Keri Stone did not include her e-mail >address*, I'm posting this to the list. For >advice on where to find science fiction, >especially used, books in Cambridge, Mass Thank-you Sandy and Nalo both for your advice on bookstores. I had actually tried Pandemonium where I had a rather depressing talk with the owner/manager? about why good books sometimes go out of print so quickly. But I hadn't tried Victor Hugo and I'm pretty sure that I didn't look downstairs at the Harvard Bookstore either. i will try them both. I think there is also a big used bookstore in downtown Boston that I stumbled across once, but can't remember either the name or address. : ( I was thinking more about "In the Mother's Land." What I liked about that book so much was how it discussed religion. It made me think about the connection between history and religion in a way I hadn't thought about before. I generally stay away from series and sequels (only because they always suck me into buying hardcover books that I can't afford) but the connection between it and "The Silent City" was far more tenuous than a sequel. I'm glad I read them in the right order. I had actually pretty much forgotten about "The Silent City" (which I liked, but didn't enthrall me). But as a I was reading "In the Mother's Land", some bits started to feel hauntingly familiar; it took me awhile to connect the two books since I often don't pay attention to author's names, but then it felt like peiecing a puzzle together and discovering a bunch of neat ideas about resurrection, miracles and religion. Plus I found the characters really compelling. About "The Sparrow". I realized that my concern for the characters and their safety says a lot about just how good the writing is and also the characterizations. Sometimes when I'm reading a book that I really love, I start to slow down way down towards the end because I want to savor the writing and I'm loving it so much. But I can't think of the last time that I actually stopped reading because I'm afraid for the characters getting hurt. I think that the vividness of the description of Emilio's hands really got to me, and also I adore Anne Edwards. Anyhow, I just didn't want my previous post to sound like I'm a snob about science fiction and fantasy. I really love the genres, particularly science fiction, and I don't like to label some writing as "good" and others as "bad." It seems mostly a matter of taste (but I am in awe of some stuff!) Keri (who is blushing because her strong feelings about loving books might appear a little silly) *Does my email address not appear on the list? It is Dinnally@aol.com, but possibly not for much longer as I contemplate ISPs. However, I am liking this mailing list so much, I will re-subscribe wherever I end up. It is delightful too to see people who practice the craft of writing participating in this list, as well as so many appreciative readers. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:02:58 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Subject: Re: Congratulations to Suzette Haden Elgin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Suzette: Congrats on your World Fantasy Nomination for "Beauty and the Opera or the Phantom Beast." Hope this sort of thing is helpful in inspiring one to get up in the morning and write!! Best, Maryelizabeth Mysterious Galaxy 619-268-4747 3904 Convoy St, #107 800-811-4747 San Diego, CA 92111 619-268-4775 FAX http://www.mystgalaxy.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:00:05 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nalo Hopkinson Subject: Re: Congratulations to Suzette Haden Elgin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NH: Um...the author was Suzy McKee Charnas. I've often made similar mistakes. I'm a little bemused by what seems to be a passel of my favourite feminist sf authors who all have triple-barrelled names that all seem to have pretty much the same rhythm pattern: Suzy McKee Charnas, Suzette Haden Elgin, Karen Joy Fowler...I'm sure that there are more. -nalo On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Maryelizabeth Hart wrote: > Suzette: > > Congrats on your World Fantasy Nomination for "Beauty and the Opera or the > Phantom Beast." > > Hope this sort of thing is helpful in inspiring one to get up in the > morning and write!! > > Best, > > > Maryelizabeth > Mysterious Galaxy 619-268-4747 > 3904 Convoy St, #107 800-811-4747 > San Diego, CA 92111 619-268-4775 FAX > http://www.mystgalaxy.com > "You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:24:40 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Sean Johnston Subject: Re: Congratulations to Suzette Haden Elgin In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >NH: Um...the author was Suzy McKee Charnas. I've often made similar >mistakes. I'm a little bemused by what seems to be a passel of my >favourite feminist sf authors who all have triple-barrelled names that >all seem to have pretty much the same rhythm pattern: Suzy McKee >Charnas, Suzette Haden Elgin, Karen Joy Fowler...I'm sure that there are >more. > >-nalo > Nalo and list, What do you think of Mickey Zucker Reichert? Sean ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:24:03 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Subject: Re: Congratulations to SHE/SMC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" But I like Nalo's idea of the triple-barrelled names theory. :) Maryelizabeth Mysterious Galaxy 619-268-4747 3904 Convoy St, #107 800-811-4747 San Diego, CA 92111 619-268-4775 FAX http://www.mystgalaxy.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:41:42 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nalo Hopkinson Subject: Re: Congratulations to Suzette Haden Elgin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Sean Johnston wrote: > > Nalo and list, > What do you think of Mickey Zucker Reichert? NH: Another one, huh? Don't know the person's work, I'm afraid. -nalo "You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:25:03 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Martha Bartter Subject: Re: Congratulations to Suzette Haden Elgin In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 13:41 8/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Sean Johnston wrote: > >> >> Nalo and list, >> What do you think of Mickey Zucker Reichert? > >NH: Another one, huh? Don't know the person's work, I'm afraid. > >-nalo > > >"You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which >I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." > -Jorge Luis Borges > Mickey is a very interesting person (MD, as I recall), but I can't say I've enjoyed her work very much. Martha Bartter Truman State University ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:57:46 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: DAVID CHRISTENSON Subject: Re: finding out of print books (was: various catchup responses) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -- [ From: David Christenson * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Ms. Elgin says: > Second, about finding science fiction. I want to recommend amazon.com; they're > very good about finding books, even long-since out of print books. I can also recommend www.interloc.com and www.bibliofind.com, both very large databases of used, out of print and rare books. Anyone can search these for free, and order via email to the dealers. (And if you buy via these sources, you'd be patronizing independent booksellers.) I'm a bookseller, but I'm not "on" bibliofind or interloc, so this is an impartial endorsement. (BTW, I ran a test search of bibliofind just now, and found all three of Elgin's Native Tongue books listed, plus many other hard-to-find Elgin titles such as Furthest, the Communipath books and Star-Anchored, Star- Angered.) -- David Christenson - ldqt79a@prodigy.com "The most merciful thing in the world is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:40:51 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nicole Youngman Subject: triples Let's not forget Marion Zimmer Bradley...;-) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:48:43 -0800 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Freddie Baer Subject: Re: finding out of print books (was: various catchup responses) -Reply David Christenson wrote: >>I can also recommend www.interloc.com and www.bibliofind.com, both very large databases of used, out of print and rare books. Anyone can search these for free, and order via email to the dealers. (And if you buy via these sources, you'd be patronizing independent booksellers.)<< David has mentioned these two websites before, and I am both indebted (and in debt) to him for this. I've spent over $300 at these sites in the past two months, finding in a matter of seconds books that I have been looking for years. Not only do I find the books listed at multiple different locations, but I can comparison shop for the best condition and best price. If you're an antiquarian book addict like myself, be warned! These are dangerous websites for your pocket book! Freddie Baer ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:32:00 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Michael Marc Levy Subject: Re: triples In-Reply-To: <970819153938_199412481@emout10.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Or Lois McMaster Bujold, or Elizabeth Ann Scarborough, or... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:23:16 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nalo Hopkinson Subject: Re: triples In-Reply-To: <970819153938_199412481@emout10.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NH: And Kim Stanley Robinson (yeah I know; he's a he). -nalo On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Nicole Youngman wrote: > Let's not forget Marion Zimmer Bradley...;-) > "You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:25:14 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nalo Hopkinson Subject: Re: triples In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NH: Jewell Parker Rhodes... -nalo On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Michael Marc Levy wrote: > Or Lois McMaster Bujold, or Elizabeth Ann Scarborough, or... > "You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:23:05 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Michael Marc Levy Subject: Re: triples In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Nalo Hopkinson wrote: > NH: Jewell Parker Rhodes... > > -nalo > > On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Michael Marc Levy wrote: > > > Or Lois McMaster Bujold, or Elizabeth Ann Scarborough, or... > > Jewell Parker Rhodes? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:49:52 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Sean Johnston Subject: Re: Congratulations to Suzette Haden Elgin In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nalo, Are you going to Worldcon? -Sean ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:02:54 +0100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Edward James Subject: Re: Delurking some more In-Reply-To: <970819015419_-501137983@emout06.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Keri Stone wrote: > On another stupider note, I found "The Sparrow" also thanks to this list, but > I've been stuck about 1/2 way through for several days. I'm enjoying it AND > want to know what happens, but I'm terrified. I like the characters SO much > and am afraid of what might be in store for them. I'm such a wimp! This is > why I never go to see thriller/suspense movies either. The way the novel is > set up, it seems hard to believe that there could be a positive ending. > > Keri > In a way it is a case of the suspense being worse than the actuality. Yes, it is all rather nasty (though Russell doesn't dwell on the nastiness very much), but in a sense the ending is actually rather uplifting and optimistic. And it is a _wonderful_ book, well worth finishing! Edward James .............................................................................. Professor Edward James, Dept of History, Faculty of Letters and Social Sciences, University of Reading, Whiteknights, READING RG6 6AA, UK http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~lhsjamse/home.htm Editor: FOUNDATION: THE INTERNATIONAL REVIEW OF SCIENCE FICTION Joint Editor: EARLY MEDIEVAL EUROPE .............................................................................. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:56:35 +0100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: F Mendlesohn Subject: Re: Fortunate Fall In-Reply-To: <199708080143.VAA13672@mime3.prodigy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please could people recommending books mention the publisher as well as title and author? It makes it much easier to order them in England. Thanks, Farah ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:15:25 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Subject: Re: triples Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Nalo Hopkinson wrote: > >> NH: Jewell Parker Rhodes... >> >> -nalo >> >> On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Michael Marc Levy wrote: >> >> > Or Lois McMaster Bujold, or Elizabeth Ann Scarborough, or... >> > > >Jewell Parker Rhodes? One of our few women of color in the fiekd, n'ect-ce pas?, Nalo. One of my faves for the way it flows: Nina Kiriki Hoffman. Maryelizabeth Charlotte Maryelizabeth Mysterious Galaxy 619-268-4747 3904 Convoy St, #107 800-811-4747 San Diego, CA 92111 619-268-4775 FAX http://www.mystgalaxy.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:27:01 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Debra Euler Subject: Re: triples -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain >> > Or Lois McMaster Bujold, or Elizabeth Ann Scarborough, or... Kristine Kathryn Rusch Debra Euler DAW Books ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:13:17 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nalo Hopkinson Subject: Re: triples In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Michael Marc Levy wrote: > > NH: Jewell Parker Rhodes... MML: > Jewell Parker Rhodes? NH: Author of _Voodoo Dreams: a novel of Marie Laveau._ -nalo > "You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:14:36 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nalo Hopkinson Subject: Re: Congratulations to Suzette Haden Elgin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NH: Not this year. U.S. dollar is 1.4 the size of the Canadian, so I can't do too many cons; can't afford it. Maybe next year. Warner really wants me to. -nalo On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Sean Johnston wrote: > Nalo, > Are you going to Worldcon? > > -Sean > "You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:27:59 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nalo Hopkinson Subject: Re: triples In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Maryelizabeth Hart wrote: > >Jewell Parker Rhodes? > > One of our few women of color in the field, n'est-ce pas?, Nalo. > > One of my faves for the way it flows: Nina Kiriki Hoffman. NH: Yes, she is African-American. As is devorah major, author of _An Open Weave_ (Farah, if you're interested, I'll get pub. info. for you). -nalo "You'll say reality is under no obligation to be interesting. To which I'd reply that reality may disregard the obligation but that we may not." -Jorge Luis Borges ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:28:51 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Tamara K. Shaw" Organization: Silverhaven Productions Subject: Dream Dancer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings all, I picked up a book a a garage sale some time ago called "Dream Dancer" by Janet Morris. Published in 1980, it says on the front: "Book one of the three part saga of the Kerrion Empire." I'd like to know if anyone has read this and what they thought of it. Were the other two ever published and if so, where can I get them?? Thanks, Tamara tshaw@toolcity.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:57:23 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Subject: Re: Warner and Nalo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To WorldCon or not to WorldCon -- that is the question. For what it's worth, I think it can really help in terms of meeting booksellers as well as the reading public. More importantly, though, we gotta get Warner to tour you to San Diego!! :) Maryelizabeth Mysterious Galaxy 619-268-4747 3904 Convoy St, #107 800-811-4747 San Diego, CA 92111 619-268-4775 FAX http://www.mystgalaxy.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:59:31 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Subject: Re: Congratulations to Suzette Haden Elgin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was going to complain about people not changing the subject line in this thread, but then it occurred to me that it might give Suzette pleasure to see a whole line of messages with that header, mistaken or not. :) Maryelizabeth Mysterious Galaxy 619-268-4747 3904 Convoy St, #107 800-811-4747 San Diego, CA 92111 619-268-4775 FAX http://www.mystgalaxy.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:10:56 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Subject: Re: Dream Dancer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I remember reading these, and somewhat liking them back in college yea these many moons ago. Wasn't there a main or supporting character named "Softa?" Yes, all three were published, although they are sure to be L-o-n-g out of print. Books two and three are _Cruiser Dreams_ and _Earth Dreams_. Maryelizabeth Mysterious Galaxy 619-268-4747 3904 Convoy St, #107 800-811-4747 San Diego, CA 92111 619-268-4775 FAX http://www.mystgalaxy.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:54:53 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "George Elgin, Suzette Haden Elgin" Subject: Congratulations to me.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No question about it! The more I see myself allegedly have done something to be congratulated for, the more delightful it gets. Maryelizabeth has it exactly right.... Suzette ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:09:27 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Laura Quilter Subject: feminist / nuclear question? Comments: To: L J Varricchio , feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm forwarding this as a query from the feminist-sf web pages ... any thoughts? Please reply to varricch@champlain.edu The one that occurs to me off the top of my head is Starhawk's THE FIFTH SACRED THING. Nuclear power isn't the whole theme of the work, but definitely is a significant part of the backdrop and the characters' histories. There is a bibliography of nuclear-related sf - was it Paul Brians who did it? Laura Quilter / lauramd@uic.edu Electronic Services Librarian University of Illinois at Chicago ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:28:44 -0500 From: UIC Web Form Mailer Reply-To: Fem-SFFU maintenance listserve To: FEMSFWEB@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: femsf feedback Thu Aug 21 10:28:42 CDT 1997 Name: L. J. Varricchio Email: varricch@champlain.edu I am a: sf fan ; researcher I found this page by looking for: feminist science fiction My comment concerns: question OK to post on bulletin board: bulletin board OK Please respond sometime soon, please My comments are: Can you refer to any feminist SF works with nuclear power references? I am research a graduate-level paper on the topic of nuclear power in science fiction. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:12:51 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Holly Yasui Subject: book exchange page In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A quick announcement for those of you who have been having problems locating books or have books to sell ... The book exchange page has been posted at the FSF site. The full URL is http://www.uic.edu/~lauramd/femsf/buysell.html or, if you have the FSF site bookmarked, just follow the link from the homepage. Please let me know, by personal e-mail (*not* through the list), if there are titles you'd like to request or sell through the book exchange. Also, if anyone else wants to volunteer as a book scout, send me your e-mail address and physical location. We will be updating the page at the end of this month. Holly Yasui hollyy@sprynet.com hyasui@hotmail.com