From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Sat Oct 16 09:04:55 1999 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:59:09 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University of Illinois at Chicago (1.8c)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG9909D" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:38:16 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] Slave and Free: Wray Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You know that some are, and some do in some situations and not in others (not every man is going to be so stupid [hint: not much of a fan of absolute cultural relativism here] as to kill his sister for dishonor any more than every mother is so stupid as to let her daughter's genitals be mutilated). Though the juxtaposition of this afternoon's NPR programming is amusing in this context (the newsbreak highlighted UNICEF's report of Eastern European movement toward corporatism leading to worse health for everyone, and job discrimination against women, and TALK OF THE NATION's first hour featuring Susan Faludi and others speaking of the crisis for men essentially of self-image...the sickness of the notion that to be a man is to be the breadwinner, the dominator of the family, defined by his ability to supervise the lesser creatures of the family--Faludi's book is called STIFFED). -----Original Message----- From: Phoebe Wray [mailto:Zozie@AOL.COM] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 12:52 PM Pakistan's suppression, subjugation and murder of women, wholesale as it is, is very like Holdfast. I guess many Pakistani men would be happy there. I wonder if any men in that country are assisting the women? phoebe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:44:35 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: [*FSF-L*] Slave and Free: Wray Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hmm. Considering how much cultural pressure toward mutilation there is in some of the world, a better way to put that is "so heartless or overwhelmed as to seek out mutilation for their daughters." -----Original Message----- From: Todd Mason Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 2:38 PM To: 'Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC' Cc: 'FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU' Subject: RE: [*FSF-L*] Slave and Free: Wray You know that some are, and some do in some situations and not in others (not every man is going to be so stupid [hint: not much of a fan of absolute cultural relativism here] as to kill his sister for dishonor any more than every mother is so stupid as to let her daughter's genitals be mutilated). Though the juxtaposition of this afternoon's NPR programming is amusing in this context (the newsbreak highlighted UNICEF's report of Eastern European movement toward corporatism leading to worse health for everyone, and job discrimination against women, and TALK OF THE NATION's first hour featuring Susan Faludi and others speaking of the crisis for men essentially of self-image...the sickness of the notion that to be a man is to be the breadwinner, the dominator of the family, defined by his ability to supervise the lesser creatures of the family--Faludi's book is called STIFFED). -----Original Message----- From: Phoebe Wray [mailto:Zozie@AOL.COM] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 12:52 PM Pakistan's suppression, subjugation and murder of women, wholesale as it is, is very like Holdfast. I guess many Pakistani men would be happy there. I wonder if any men in that country are assisting the women? phoebe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:31:26 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: British Fantasy Awards, courtesy DARKECHO Comments: To: "horror@listserv.indiana.edu" Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT , SCIENCEFICTION-L@listserv.indiana.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- From: DarkEcho@aol.com [mailto:DarkEcho@aol.com] (send message with title line and body, "Subscribe") The BRITISH FANTASY AWARDS were announced at FantasyCon 23, on 23 Sept: Karl Edward Wagner Award (British Fantasy Special Award): Diana Wynne Jones August Derleth Fantasy Award for Best Novel: BAG OF BONES by Stephen King British Fantasy Award for Best Anthology: DARK TERRORS 4 edited by Stephen Jones and David Sutton British Fantasy Award for Best Collection: GHOSTS AND GRISLY THINGS by Ramsey Campbell British Fantasy Award for Best Short Fiction: "The Song My Sister Sang" by Stephen Laws (from SCAREMONGERS 2: REDBRICK EDEN edited by Steve Saville) British Fantasy Award for Best Artist: Bob Covington British Fantasy Award for Best Small Press: THE THIRD ALTERNATIVE edited by Andy Cox Dates for the 2000 convention, FantasyCon XXIV, were also announced: 8-10 Sept 2000 at Britannia Hotel Birmingham; GoHs: Storm Constantine and Stan Nicholls with more to be added. Information available from David Howe at: howe@which.net. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:48:07 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Laura Quilter Subject: Fwd: MZB in hopsital (fwd) Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu, -Fem-SF list , feministsf-lit@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII just got this from another list: >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi All, > I just arrived home and had a message on my machine that Marion Zimmer >Bradley had a massive heart attack today and is unconscious in Alta Bates >hospital in Berkeley, Ca. Diana Paxson is asking that energy be sent to her >higher self to be used as the need be. I don't have the COG address, could >someone put this message out on the COG board and whatever science fiction or >other interested groups who should know. For those who don't know, Marion is >the author of MISTS OF AVALON and the DARKOVER series and many other science >fiction and non-science fiction novels, some of which brought people to the >pagan practices. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:39:40 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Cynthia Gonsalves Subject: MZB News Comments: To: feministsf-lit@listserv.uic.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed According to the MZB Magazine website , she died yesterday as a result of the heart attack she had on the 21st. One of our foremothers is gone; let's carry on the legacy. Cynthia -- "I had to be a bitch, they wouldn't let me be a Jesuit." -Joan Gant in Matt Ruff's Sewer, Gas, and Electric Sharks Bite!!! http://members.home.net/cynthia1960/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:42:03 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: FW: Nalo Hopkinson reading in NYC Comments: To: SCIENCEFICTION-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU, Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Friello [mailto:Unovissf@AOL.COM] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 3:25 PM To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSF-L*] Nalo H reading For those in the NYC area: October 7, at Dixon Place A Night w/ Nalo Hopkinson w/musical accompaniment by DJ Spooky, That Subliminal Kid Dixon Place is now located at 309 East 26th Street. All readings begin at 8:00 PM, and cost $5. One of a series of NYRSF readings Other listings, address, etc. for Dixon Place at: http://www.dixonplace.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:44:35 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Otto McKay Jr." Subject: Re: FW: Nalo Hopkinson reading in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain take me of this mailing list immediately! > ---------- > From: Todd Mason[SMTP:Todd.Mason@TVGUIDE.COM] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 2:42 PM > To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU > Subject: [*FSFFU*] FW: Nalo Hopkinson reading in NYC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen Friello [mailto:Unovissf@AOL.COM] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 3:25 PM > To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU > Subject: [*FSF-L*] Nalo H reading > > > For those in the NYC area: > October 7, at Dixon Place > A Night w/ Nalo Hopkinson w/musical accompaniment by DJ Spooky, > That Subliminal Kid > > Dixon Place is now located at 309 East 26th Street. > All readings begin at 8:00 PM, and cost $5. > > One of a series of NYRSF readings > Other listings, address, etc. for Dixon Place at: > http://www.dixonplace.org/ > > > **************************************************************************** Securities Products and Services Are Offered By J.C. 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Or did someone link Mr. McKay up when he was away from his desk one day?--has anyone been to this series of readings? How's the turnout been? Cover charges? Close to the trains? Thanks (thinking of a day trip up from Phil). -----Original Message----- From: Otto McKay Jr. [mailto:Otto.McKay@JCBRADFORD.COM] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 3:45 PM To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] FW: Nalo Hopkinson reading in NYC take me of this mailing list immediately! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:19:44 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Catweasel Subject: Re: FW: Nalo Hopkinson reading in NYC Comments: To: Off Topic Today In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 09/27/99 13:44:35 MDT the Forward Command Post of catweasel.org intercepted a communique from "Otto McKay Jr." : > take me of this mailing list immediately! As this appeared on someone else's list I shall attempt to restrict my behaviour to that normally expected in polite company. No promises, mind. Mr. McKay, tell me, please, how you came to be on this list. Were you kidnapped at gunpoint and brutally forced to watch, aghast, while the unfeeling villains subscribed you to all manner of vile and pernicious mailing lists? Did someone put a hallucinogen in your coffee at the local diner, and when you came down did you find that you couldn't remember a thing, but your mailbox was suddenly full of strange missives which were beyond your ken? Or perhaps you were caught in an indiscretion and offered a subscription to this list as the price of silence, but now you have finally managed to recover the negatives. Do any of these scenarios ring a bell, or did you, like the rest of us, arrive here by more pedestrian means. I rather suspect that, like me, you sent a message to the server which hosts this list, asking to be included in all redistributions to feministsf. Regardless, however, of the circumstances under which you came to be the recipient of such vile and pernicious material as that which Mr Mason forwarded from Ms. Friello, you would at some point have been sent, automatically, a message with advice on how to do such things as unsubscribe. Such messages almost invariably include a recommendation that you keep them for future reference. Had you done so, you might have avoided making such an ass of yourself. Here is a sample welcome message, from one of my own lists: [Please retain this message, it contains potentially useful destructions.] Welcome, Sir and/or Madam, to Off Topic Today. By joining this list you have rescinded all rights to a normal, boring existence. Have fun, but beware of the PITA. Please note that all discussions must be Off topic. Anyone caught posting On material may be incarcerated, eviscerated, assimilated or just generally given a hard time, according to my whim. On topics at present are major team sports and what the Merkin president does in private. A few quick notes: The address for the list is ott@lists.startec.com The address for administration commands is majordomo@lists.startec.com A few useful commands are: info ott - returns a brief file about the list. intro ott - returns this file. subscribe ott - does so. unsubscribe ott - I do not recommend the use of this command, but if you must, you must. Finally, should you have any problems please feel free to contact me, your (not in the least bit) humble list-thing. Don't trust me, I'm a list-thing. list-thing@catweasel.org http://www.catweasel.org/ The wheels of progress are turned by cranks. Lest you once again behave so rudely, I shall impart unto you a clue. If you do not know, through oversight or stupidity or any one of a myriad other reasons, how to get off a list which is upsetting you, there is an easy way to obtain the necessary information. Um, perhaps I should qualify that. For a moderately intelligent chimp, or the other members of this list, or a feline mustelid the method is easy. On the evidence thus far you may have less luck, but I shall give you the benefit of the doubt. Mail is handled by mail servers, and list mail, such as the message which so upset you this afternoon, is also handled by list servers. Most of these list servers are either majordomo or listserv, most of the others emulate one or other of these in their principle functions. These servers all will send you, on request, a help file which contains, oddly enough, help. All you need to do is figure out how to ask for it. This task comes in three stages. First, establish which machine on the internet handles the list in question. In this instance, it is everything after the @ in the address I posted this to, ie: listserv.uic.edu Next, you must decide which type of list server is handling the list. Or hit 'em both. Send messages to both majordomo@listserv.uic.edu and listserv@listserv.uic.edu and one of them should be right. Finally, you need to tell the server that you require help. do so by including the single word help as both subject and body of your message. Once again, this is overkill, but it ensures that the all-important word help will be picked up by whatever weird and wonderful software receives your plaintive cry. My profuse apologies to my fellow members for subjecting you to this; but I just couldn't help myself. Junior, I do hope you now have enough information to be able to go away and leave me in peace. Trust me, I'm a doctor. Catweasel http://www.catweasel.org Planning is an unnatural process; it is more fun to do something. The nicest thing about not planning is that failure comes as a complete surprise, rather than being preceded by worry & depression. -- John Harvey-Jones. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:14:30 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Debbie Notkin Subject: Re: FW: Nalo Hopkinson reading in NYC In-Reply-To: <874BCFAAE5A4D211BA020008C70D100501484396@tvgradpo1.tvguide .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:19 PM 09/27/1999 -0500, you wrote: >How's the turnout been? Cover charges? Close to the trains? Thanks >(thinking of a day trip up from Phil). Although I live in California, I work frequently in NYC, and I've been to this two or three times. Turnout varies; the space is a loft living room that holds maybe 30 people if it's jammed, so it feels good with even as many as 10-12. Cover charge is $5. It's not _terribly_ close to the trains, but you can get there. -- Debbie Notkin kith@slip.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:52:10 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Chris Shaffer Subject: Otto McKay Jr. (was Re: [*FSFFU*] FW: Nalo Hopkinson reading in NYC In-Reply-To: <37EFED80294.6922CATWEASEL@send.mail.u-net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Mr. McKay has been unsubscribed from feministsf. Chris, the listowner in lurking shaffer@uic.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:42:50 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: SMCharnas Subject: Re: FEMINISTSF Digest - 9 Sep 1999 to 10 Sep 1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody ever heard of this? You were recently selected by The Office of the Managing Director for a free listing on The International Executive Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. Our Researchers gather information from many recognized sources, including professional associations and societies, trade organizations, newspaper and magazine articles, professional reference publications, web presence, and referrals from existing members. As a highly respected professional in your field of expertise, we believe your contributions merit very serious consideration for inclusion on The International Executive Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. To maintain the level of accuracy, we ask you to click on the web address highlighted below and fill out the brief bit of information required for inclusion. There is no cost or obligation to be listed on The International Executive Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. Visit: http://209.135.24.54 My Sincere Thanks, Lorraine A. Michaels Office Of Managing Director I'm a little leery of these things -- you never know what you're getting into, unless of course you, er, know what you're getting into. Any info on this outfit, project, or person appreciated (their website yields no- thing useful, which is one of the reasons I am leery). Suzy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:05:38 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Candioglos, Sandy" Subject: Re: FEMINISTSF Digest - 9 Sep 1999 to 10 Sep 1999 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I got one, too. I tossed it. I don't trust any group that uses an IP address instead of a domain name; if you can't afford $35 per year and however much it costs for the hosting, you're obviously not very well-established or reputable. Never mind the fact that I'm a flunky web designer at Intel, and am only 5 years out of college. I don't flatter myself that they know what they're talking about. :) -Sandy > -----Original Message----- > From: SMCharnas [mailto:suzych@SOCRATES.NMIA.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:43 AM > To: FEMINISTSF@listserv.uic.edu > Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] FEMINISTSF Digest - 9 Sep 1999 to 10 Sep 1999 > > > Anybody ever heard of this? > > You were recently selected by The Office of the Managing > Director for a free listing on The International Executive > Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. > > Our Researchers gather information from many recognized > sources, including professional associations and societies, > trade organizations, newspaper and magazine articles, > professional reference publications, web presence, and > referrals from existing members. > > As a highly respected professional in your field of > expertise, we believe your contributions merit very > serious consideration for inclusion on The International > Executive Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. To maintain > the level of accuracy, we ask you to click on the web > address highlighted below and fill out the brief bit of > information required for inclusion. > > There is no cost or obligation to be listed on The > International Executive Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. > > Visit: http://209.135.24.54 > > My Sincere Thanks, > > Lorraine A. Michaels > Office Of Managing Director > > I'm a little leery of these things -- you never know what > you're getting > into, unless of course you, er, know what you're getting > into. Any info > on this outfit, project, or person appreciated (their website > yields no- > thing useful, which is one of the reasons I am leery). > > Suzy > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:27:41 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Dave Samuelson Subject: Re: FEMINISTSF Digest - 9 Sep 1999 to 10 Sep 1999 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know this particular listing or its sponsor, but most such compilations are commercial enterprises which pay for their operation by selling the publication to those who are in it. Some people actually think it matters to be included in these incestuous vanity press productions, but "being in Who's Who" is not like being chosen for a MacArthur grant. Students and faculty are the most comon (and likely) victims. SMCharnas wrote: > Anybody ever heard of this? > > You were recently selected by The Office of the Managing > Director for a free listing on The International Executive > Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. > > Our Researchers gather information from many recognized > sources, including professional associations and societies, > trade organizations, newspaper and magazine articles, > professional reference publications, web presence, and > referrals from existing members. > > As a highly respected professional in your field of > expertise, we believe your contributions merit very > serious consideration for inclusion on The International > Executive Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. To maintain > the level of accuracy, we ask you to click on the web > address highlighted below and fill out the brief bit of > information required for inclusion. > > There is no cost or obligation to be listed on The > International Executive Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. > > Visit: http://209.135.24.54 > > My Sincere Thanks, > > Lorraine A. Michaels > Office Of Managing Director > > I'm a little leery of these things -- you never know what you're getting > into, unless of course you, er, know what you're getting into. Any info > on this outfit, project, or person appreciated (their website yields no- > thing useful, which is one of the reasons I am leery). > > Suzy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:40:31 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: Re: FEMINISTSF Digest - 9 Sep 1999 to 10 Sep 1999 In-Reply-To: <37F1089D.7E59836F@csulb.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Dave Samuelson wrote: > SMCharnas wrote: > > > Anybody ever heard of this? > > > > You were recently selected by The Office of the Managing > > Director for a free listing on The International Executive > > Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. > > (long snip) Give me a great big S ... and a C.... and an A....and an M.... This is an update of something I got in the mail 30 years ago offering to put me in a major directory of Very Important Women - before I'd ever done the tiniest thing to earn it except survive 30 years on this planet! And all they asked of me was a few dollars and my name. Yeah, right.> Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:53:40 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: WHO'S WHO and similar scams: Mathews et alles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Similarly, several "poetry contests" and the resulting volumes have done this kind of collective subsidy publishing over the last few decades. -----Original Message----- From: Pat [mailto:mathews@UNM.EDU] Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] FEMINISTSF Digest - 9 Sep 1999 to 10 Sep 1999 On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Dave Samuelson wrote: > SMCharnas wrote: > > > Anybody ever heard of this? > > > > You were recently selected by The Office of the Managing > > Director for a free listing on The International Executive > > Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. > > (long snip) Give me a great big S ... and a C.... and an A....and an M.... This is an update of something I got in the mail 30 years ago offering to put me in a major directory of Very Important Women - before I'd ever done the tiniest thing to earn it except survive 30 years on this planet! And all they asked of me was a few dollars and my name. Yeah, right.> Patricia (Pat) Mathews ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:19:03 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jocelyn & Sheryl Denton-LeSage Subject: Re: WHO'S WHO and similar scams: Mathews et alles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I was reminded of those, also. We had a copy of one of those vanity press pieces of crap in my bookstore for awhile (why? don't know...maybe someone special ordered it and then wouldn't pay for it when they saw it). I had heard of them but never seen one. Not only is it true that those presses will print literally anything, even if it's copyrighted by Emily Dickinson's estate (for instance) or penned by someone's three-year-old parrot, but the quality of the books themselves is just abysmal. They use paper that is barely a step above newsprint, cram the poems together 10 and 15 to a page, and sandwich all of this between thin cardboard. Then they call it "Footprints on the Sand" or "Dreams and Feathers" or just "Feelings" and charge--I'm really not kidding here--$70.00 for the mess. Periodically, people come into the store and ask if we carry that "Library of Poetry" series, and this vanity press is almost always what they mean, and it's hard to convince them that they haven't really "won" any award at all... Sheryl scams: Mathews et alles >Similarly, several "poetry contests" and the resulting volumes have done >this kind of collective subsidy publishing over the last few decades. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat [mailto:mathews@UNM.EDU] >Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] FEMINISTSF Digest - 9 Sep 1999 to 10 Sep 1999 > > >On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Dave Samuelson wrote: > >> SMCharnas wrote: >> >> > Anybody ever heard of this? >> > >> > You were recently selected by The Office of the Managing >> > Director for a free listing on The International Executive >> > Guild's Who's Who CD-ROM. >> > > (long snip) > > Give me a great big S ... and a C.... and an A....and an M.... > This is an update of something I got in the mail 30 years ago >offering to put me in a major directory of Very Important Women - before >I'd ever done the tiniest thing to earn it except survive 30 years on >this planet! And all they asked of me was a few dollars and my name. >Yeah, right.> > >Patricia (Pat) Mathews ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:50:16 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: New television series Comments: To: "SCIENCEFICTION-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU" , Multiple recipients of list SF-LIT Comments: cc: "srcdilbert@juno.com" , "jem@lm.com" , "remjem@erols.com" , "aaa@lava.net" , "alektra@aol.com" , "jecedit@aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > RELIC HUNTER (Syndicated) is this season's Gaumont entry, now that the > Highlander franchise is gone. Pilot was aggressively stupid; having cast > Tia Carrere as Indiana Jones seems to have exhausted the creative energies > of the production; as professor and swashbuckler, she doesn't embarrass > herself, nor does the actor playing her forelock-tugging Brit sidekick/TA > (present to present beefcake T&A), although Carrere's rival, a cagey-slob > role of the type that is always handed to James Belushi, is played no > better than it deserves by Tony Rosato. Despite from having more East > Asian actors and extras on hand than any other North American show since > ONCE A THIEF or perhaps the short-lived, aptly named VANISHING SON, the > mostly quasi-villianous folk need a dark-complected Caucasian to speak for > them, and a similar ghostie to protect a Buddha's bowl. Most amusing fact > was the presence of Alice Poon, memorable in her brief role in CRASH, as a > stunt double for Carrere. > > AMAZON (aka PETER BENCHLEY'S AMAZON) is the other vehicle for an > ex-model/actress (Carol Alt) who plays a flight attendant who more or less > leads a group of airliner-crash survivors who are improbably stranded deep > in the Amazon-basin jungle. The fantastic element is pretty much limited > so far to running into hostile native children, if the adults' remarkable > inability to disarm children with blowguns can be called fantastic. That > an airliner deposited these folks in their predicament is fitting, for the > pilot episode was as filled with cardboard stock characters as any of the > AIRPORT films (though the natural menaces which chase away the US military > rescuers who inadvertantly abandon our cast are presented in an > unitntentionally amusing way, and Benchley like King still knows how to go > for a "gross-out"). > > Still waiting on BEASTMASTER (it not only is based on the films, but the > films are based on someone's book, but I don't know whose) and THE LOST > WORLD, which will be available in a slightly more nudity-laden version to > DirecTV subscribers, though on which channel or on pay-per-view(!) I'm not > sure. G VS E remains the best I've seen of the new fantastic shows so far > this season, without threatening to make anyone forget about Shakespeare. > (Less relevantly, FREAKS AND GEEKS is slightly less verisimilitudinous > about 1980 than THAT '70s SHOW is for 1976, but not bad, just not quite > convincing. ONCE AND AGAIN looks good, but I was able to see only a piece > of it so far; missed TIME AND AGAIN altogether. THE RED FILES and HOSTAGE, > PBS new limited series on Monday nights, are sober and intelligent > approaches to lurid subjects [Soviet spying in the US and UK and 1980s > hostages in Lebanon, respectively]--but not so compelling as to tear me > away from LAW & ORDER: SVU and FAMILY LAW, aside from the five minutes or > so at a time's worth of commercials).