From LISTSERV@listserv.uic.edu Tue Aug 29 17:09:42 2000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:02:29 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University of Illinois at Chicago (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0008C" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:37:05 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "T. M. Jones" Subject: Hello! In-Reply-To: <34.8aa57a5.26bb79a0@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thought I'd drop by to say hi. I've been lurking for a bit and finally have an opportunity to send a post. I'm reading the last in M. Lackey's "sword and sorceress" series. Very entertaining. I have to say my favorite author is Octavia Butler. I've had no luck finding an address to send her some fan mail. I wrote 4walls 2 windows (or whoever her publisher was) and received no response. I'm a secretary by day and a telephone psychic by night. Not much else to say. Tanya Everything the Power of the world does is done in a circle. Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:12:31 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon-Gould" Subject: Re: Hello! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.20000819093705.29cf4496@pop.ttu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 8/19/00 9:37 AM, T. M. Jones at moerae@TTACS2.ACS.TTU.EDU wrote: > Thought I'd drop by to say hi. I've been lurking for a > bit and finally have an opportunity to send a post. I'm reading > the last in M. Lackey's "sword and sorceress" series. Very > entertaining. I have to say my favorite author is Octavia > Butler. I've had no luck finding an address to send her some > fan mail. I wrote 4walls 2 windows (or whoever her publisher > was) and received no response. I'm a secretary by day and > a telephone psychic by night. Not much else to say. > > Tanya > Everything the Power of the world does is > done in a circle. > > Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Tanya, you can always reach her via her publisher, whose name is listed on the book cover and inside frontmatter. You can get their address either in LITERARY MARKETPLACE or by finding their webpage. They will forward your letter to Ms. Butler. -l. -- -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:09:28 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "T. M. Jones" Subject: Re: Hello! In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you for our response. I appreciate your input. However, I have done that already. Thanks, Tanya At 10:12 AM 8/19/00 -0600, you wrote: >> Butler. I've had no luck finding an address to send her some >> fan mail. I wrote 4walls 2 windows (or whoever her publisher > >Tanya, you can always reach her via her publisher, whose name is listed on >the book cover and inside frontmatter. You can get their address either in >LITERARY MARKETPLACE or by finding their webpage. They will forward your >letter to Ms. Butler. Everything the Power of the world does is done in a circle. Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:49:03 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon-Gould" Subject: Re: Hello! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.20000819140928.24b79be8@pop.ttu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 8/19/00 2:09 PM, T. M. Jones at moerae@TTACS2.ACS.TTU.EDU wrote: > Thank you for our response. I appreciate your input. However, I have > done that already. Whoops. Duh! Sorry; I somehow sped right past that. I believe her agent is Writer's House (21 W. 26th St NYC 10010). Maybe you could try sending a letter via them. -l. > > At 10:12 AM 8/19/00 -0600, you wrote: > >>> Butler. I've had no luck finding an address to send her some >>> fan mail. I wrote 4walls 2 windows (or whoever her publisher > >> >> Tanya, you can always reach her via her publisher, whose name is listed on >> the book cover and inside frontmatter. You can get their address either in >> LITERARY MARKETPLACE or by finding their webpage. They will forward your >> letter to Ms. Butler. > > Everything the Power of the world does is > done in a circle. > > Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > -- -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:55:05 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Reaching Octavia Butler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suggest trying to reach her through Warner Aspect, which publishes the largest number of her books at present, rather than Four Walls, Eight Windows, which has divided into two separate companies since publishing PARABLE OF THE SOWER. My $.02. Maryelizabeth -- --- Maryelizabeth Hart Publicity Manager ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:35:54 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Neil Rest Subject: Re: Hello! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.20000819093705.29cf4496@pop.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:37 AM 8/19/00 -0600, "T. M. Jones" wrote: >Thought I'd drop by to say hi. I've been lurking for a >bit and finally have an opportunity to send a post. I'm reading >the last in M. Lackey's "sword and sorceress" series. Very >entertaining. I have to say my favorite author is Octavia >Butler. I've had no luck finding an address to send her some >fan mail. I wrote 4walls 2 windows (or whoever her publisher >was) and received no response. I'm a secretary by day and >a telephone psychic by night. Not much else to say. > Octavia Butler was Guest of Honor last year at the first foolscap in Seattle. You might try someone at Foolscap. She's very approachable. Neil Rest -- NeilRest@enteract.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:03:55 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Julia Lyall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------------------------------- Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com The official site of the Star Trek universe -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Can anyone recommend a writer that has managed to do it successfully? ------------------------------- Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com The official site of the Star Trek universe -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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But what I'm trying to do is to express my characters in a futuristic society where gender specific sexualities are no longer an issue. How do I portray that in a way that is credible? Can anyone recommend a writer that has managed to do it successfully? > > ------------------------------- > Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com > The official site of the Star Trek universe > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:46:10 -0400 Reply-To: Amy Harlib Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: Believable Role Models MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out Melissa Scott and C.J. Cherryh and Joan Vinge! Amy > I've been working (off & on) for the last 5 years on a sci-fi novel. But what I'm trying to do is to express my characters in a futuristic society where gender specific sexualities are no longer an issue. How do I portray that in a way that is credible? Can anyone recommend a writer that has managed to do it successfully? > > ------------------------------- > Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com > The official site of the Star Trek universe > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:11:02 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Rebecca Reitz Subject: Ursula Le Guin appears MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear friends, This is my first posting! Just wanted to let any NYC folks know that Ursula Le Guin (my favorite author) will be appearing at The New School. I will certainly be there! Just finished reading "Searoad" and found it to be very beautiful. Here is the info: Wed, Oct 18, 6PM at The New School, 66 W. 12 St, NYC "An Evening With Ursula Le Guin" part of a series called "Science Fiction Authors Imagine the Future" for tix and more info call 212) 229-5488 or 800) 709-4321 see ya - REBECCA -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:42:33 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Cristen Subject: Hello :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Well, I'm not sure what's going on but all of the sudden this morning I got a bevy of mail from this list so I thought I'd make a quick intro. :) I'm a 21 year old living in NYC and taking evening classes at Hunter College. It's in these classes I got my first taste of Fem Sci Fi, since Hunter is offers a class by the same name. I never expected to, but I fell in love with most of the authors we read, namely Margaret Atwood (The Handmaid's Tale) and Marge Piercy (He, She and It.) I also really like Octavia Butler (Dawn) and some of the other authors we read. I'm ashamed to admit I really disliked Ursula LeGuin though. So much so that I can't even remember the name of the book. I want to say it was "Dark Side of the Moon" but I know that's a Pink Floyd album. ;) I've been trying to work my way thought Piercy's "Woman at the Edge of Time" but I'm kind of stuck in the middle at the moment. I think Piercy is also a good writer for that person who was looking for a role model for a society for no gender-roles. With that said, I'm outta here. :) Cristen ----------------------------- Cristen Curley cristen@starwhores.org dangerkitty.com - not a porn site, but the next best thing "Kissing you for the first time on a date is like eating unlabeled candy." - Lewin A.R.W. Edwards "Nothing is as simple as black and white." - Pleasantville ____________________________ Free Email/SMTP/POP, http://www.bn3.com, Hosting yourname@yoursite.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:47:44 GMT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: kate dall Subject: Re: Believable Role Models Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It's a couple of years since I've been on this list [due to lack of internet access rather than interest], and it's good to be back. But where have all the arguments gone? I remember this list as a site of wide-ranging debates and strong opinions expressed in a friendly environment. So I reckon it's time to start a fight. I'll start by picking on Lyle, cause I know he'll forgive me if I buy him enough tequila. Julia Lyall wrote: > >I've been working (off & on) for the last 5 years on a sci-fi novel. But >what I'm trying to do is to express my characters in a futuristic society >where gender specific sexualities are no longer an issue. How do I portray >that in a way that is credible? Can anyone recommend a writer that has >managed to do it successfully? Lyle Burness answered: >James Tiptree Jnr / Alice Sheldon / Racoona Sheldon >Samuel Delaney >Joanna Russ >Marge Piercy >Kate Bornstein... > >hmm...methinks there are far too many to list!.. > Gotta disagree here. While I love Tiptree and Russ, I don't really think that "gender specific sexualities are no longer an issue" in their work. I'd say that gender specifity is the driving issue in most of their writings (and handled in highly thought-provoking ways. Piercy's utopian world in Woman on the Edge of Time, I'll give you, but the book as a whole certainly makes lots of issues about gender specificity, as does Bodies of Glass (That's He, She and It for any Americans listening). Haven't read enough Sam Delaney or Kate Bornstein to make a decent argument, so I'll let you get away with them for now. Instead, I'll second Amy's recommendation of C.J Cherryh, particularly the Merchanters universe books. Julia, you may also like to try Lois Bujold and for a rather different tone, Iain M. Banks. Kate. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:35:09 GMT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Kate Dall Subject: Re: Hello :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Since I'm in a mood for starting arguments this morning, Cristen wrote: >I'm ashamed to admit I really disliked Ursula LeGuin though. So >much so that I can't even remember the name of the book. I want to say it >was "Dark Side of the Moon" but I know that's a Pink Floyd album. ;) Was it by any chance "The Left Hand of Darkness"? Because if it was, I can't stand it either. An extraordinarily painful book which for some unknown reason keeps cropping up on those classics of feminist SF course lists. I only made it to the end because its reputation convinced me it must get better. It didn't. Why on earth are everlasting treks through icy wastelands considered interesting and/or feminist? Doris Lessing gives it a go in one of her _Shikasta_ books and it's just as awful there. And all those dreadful Winter planets. What do all you Le Guin et al fans see in this crap? Just in case Ursula is out there somewhere, I really liked _The Dispossessed_. :) Kate ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:08:08 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: Hello :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2000 7:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cristen@STARWHORES.ORG writes: << With that said, I'm outta here. :) Cristen >> Welcome! Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:32:12 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Cristen Subject: Re: Hello :) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Kate said: >>I'm ashamed to admit I really disliked Ursula LeGuin though. So >>much so that I can't even remember the name of the book. I want to say it >>was "Dark Side of the Moon" but I know that's a Pink Floyd album. ;) > >Was it by any chance "The Left Hand of Darkness"? Ah yes, it was one of those right church wrong pew moments. You'll have to forgive my cold stricken mind... plus I couldn't bear to read the entire book so it was... less than memorable to me. > Because if it was, I can't stand it either. An extraordinarily painful > book which for some unknown reason keeps cropping up on those classics of > feminist SF course lists. Both you, me and our fem sci-fi class had little love for that book. And our entire midterm was based on that book. Oddly, I got one of the highest grades in the class on the midterm, mostly because I utilized outside resources like the website that's conjoined with this list-serv. >I only made it to the end because its reputation convinced me it must get >better. It didn't. All I can say is you're a braver soul than I. I'm wondering if I encounter books that have unfamiliar language, made up ones, like this book and Piercy's "Woman on the Edge of Time" do, I lose interest. Mainly because I lost interest in Piercy once Connie started spending more time with Luciente in the future. "Fa'sure" >Why on earth are everlasting treks through icy wastelands >considered interesting and/or feminist? We explored the book mainly from the whole androgyny/gender role perspective. I recall there was a lot of examining of society roles that Genly Ai has and the roles that Estraven has. I wish the novel would have been more interesting because the issues writing it were meritable. >Just in case Ursula is out there somewhere, I really liked _The >Dispossessed_. :) Just in case my professor Trudy Smoke is out there, I really did read the book and didn't have any outside assistance on that midterm at all. ;) I know it's not FSF related, but I was thinking, where LeGuin is concerned, about reading the Lathe of Heaven. Anyone have any opinions? Cheers to getting the troops rallied, Kate. Will you be my partner in crime? ;) Cristen ----------------------------- Cristen Curley cristen@starwhores.org dangerkitty.com - not a porn site, but the next best thing "Kissing you for the first time on a date is like eating unlabeled candy." - Lewin A.R.W. Edwards "Nothing is as simple as black and white." - Pleasantville ____________________________ Free Email/SMTP/POP, http://www.bn3.com, Hosting yourname@yoursite.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:49:44 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon-Gould" Subject: Re: Hello :) In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000821192957.00abd1a0@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > we read. I'm ashamed to admit I really disliked Ursula LeGuin though. So > much so that I can't even remember the name of the book. I want to say it > was "Dark Side of the Moon" but I know that's a Pink Floyd album. ;) No need to be ashamed! We all have different tastes. But I wonder if you've tried any of her early stuff. The EarthSea Trilogy, The Left Hand of Darkness, the Dispossessed...and her short fiction. Especially "Nine Lives," but there are lots of others. -l. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:40:18 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Ann Johnson Subject: Re: Hello :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: The Lathe of Heaven. I read that book years ago and have absolutely no idea of what it was about. However, that said, I do recall the name of it and have good feelings associated with it so I am sure that I liked it. I tend to forget the forgettable books or the ones that really disapponted me. So, even though I can't remember what it was about, if you can find it then read it. I know, I know, what a left handed recommendation. But hey! I read A LOT!!!! Ann -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:53:25 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon-Gould" Subject: Re: Hello :) In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000821192957.00abd1a0@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ah! My question was answered. I should have read everything before posting. =de gustibus= in action, big time! THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS is =the= book I'd take with me if I got stranded on a desert island. (That, or THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS.) -- -l. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:43:33 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Ann Johnson Subject: Just a reminder... Comments: To: mike.altman@iuniverse.com, RJohn12866@aol.com, MffinHead1@aol.com, CAROLCUTIE@aol.com, Cawise001@aol.com, Twoboysmom2@aol.com, magikelly@yahoo.com, FLAMERED10@aol.com, knobs@juno.com, kathnmac@erols.com, KMPilkerton@leggmason.com, palesilk@unforgettable.com, NSOTS@aol.com, brujita1@email.msn.com, ShiMoFo@aol.com, mayomama@email.msn.com, rich_majeske@yahoo.com, calascibetta@hotmail.com, AMi4863777@aol.com, betsyboo@earthlink.net, Dsvaughn4@aol.com, smsweevie@hotmail.com, PRocketSheehan@worldnet.att.net, sbaratz@mindspring.com, sewilds@attglobal.net, TURKEYJOES@aol.com, ruthojen@hotmail.com, L5901@aol.com, pearboy62@yahoo.com, LBrooks@tcadvertising.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It cost you nothing but a moment of your time.... click here and feed someone The Hunger Site Home - Donate Food for Free to Hungry People in the World -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:03:45 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Ann Johnson Subject: Re: Just a reminder... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OOPS! Sorry I didn't mean for that world hunger thing to go to the List. Please accpet my apologies. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:05:34 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "T. M. Jones" Subject: Re: Hello! In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll do that. Thanks, Tanya At 02:49 PM 8/19/00 -0600, you wrote: >I believe her agent is Writer's House (21 W. 26th St NYC 10010). Maybe you >could try sending a letter via them. > > > >-l. Everything the Power of the world does is done in a circle. Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:06:21 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "T. M. Jones" Subject: Re: Reaching Octavia Butler In-Reply-To: <399FFF59.251030E6@mystgalaxy.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks. I didn't know about 4Walls. Who did they become? Later, Tanya At 08:55 AM 8/20/00 -0700, you wrote: >I suggest trying to reach her through Warner Aspect, which publishes the >largest number of her books at present, rather than Four Walls, Eight >Windows, which has divided into two separate companies since publishing >PARABLE OF THE SOWER. My $.02. > >Maryelizabeth > > >-- >--- > >Maryelizabeth Hart >Publicity Manager > >******************************************************************* >Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 >7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 >San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: >1.800.811.4747 >http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: >mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com > >******************************************************************* > >-------------------------------------------------- >This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > >Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Everything the Power of the world does is done in a circle. Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:08:02 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "T. M. Jones" Subject: Re: Hello! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000820163554.0117e100@pop.enteract.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, and so what is FoolsCap? Later, Tanya At 04:35 PM 8/20/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Octavia Butler was Guest of Honor last year at the first foolscap in >Seattle. You might try someone at HREF="http://www.alexicom.net/foolscap/index.htm">Foolscap. She's very >approachable. > > >Neil Rest Everything the Power of the world does is done in a circle. Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:10:35 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "T. M. Jones" Subject: Re: Believable Role Models In-Reply-To: <000820211228JI.07341@weba3.iname.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not sure, but maybe Ursula LeGuin's left hand of darkness might be one. Later, Tanya At 09:12 PM 8/20/00 -0400, you wrote: >I've been working (off & on) for the last 5 years on a sci-fi novel. But what I'm trying to do is to express my characters in a futuristic society where gender specific sexualities are no longer an issue. How do I portray that in a way that is credible? Can anyone recommend a writer that has managed to do it successfully? > >------------------------------- >Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com >The official site of the Star Trek universe > >-------------------------------------------------- >This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > >Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Everything the Power of the world does is done in a circle. Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:15:16 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "T. M. Jones" Subject: Re: Hello :) In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've read the first book in the earth sea trilogy and loved it. The other two are sitting on my shelf waiting for me to take them down and dust them off. But, I think I have a few of Anne Rice's books next in line. Later, Tanya At 08:49 PM 8/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >> we read. I'm ashamed to admit I really disliked Ursula LeGuin though. So >> much so that I can't even remember the name of the book. I want to say it >> was "Dark Side of the Moon" but I know that's a Pink Floyd album. ;) > >No need to be ashamed! We all have different tastes. But I wonder if >you've tried any of her early stuff. The EarthSea Trilogy, The Left Hand of >Darkness, the Dispossessed...and her short fiction. Especially "Nine >Lives," but there are lots of others. > > >-l. > >-------------------------------------------------- >This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > >Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Everything the Power of the world does is done in a circle. Black Elk, Black Elk Speaks -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:53:28 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Lyle Burness Organization: Medical Society Bookshop Subject: Re: Believable Role Models MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kate dall wrote: > I reckon it's time to start a fight. I'll start by picking on Lyle, cause I > know he'll > forgive me if I buy him enough tequila. > Lyle Burness answered: > Hmm...you're absolutely right kate, i must have been trying to read/answer > the original question in a hurry and misinterpreted (you know how it is using > email on company time...). Now im delving into my head to see if I can > actually think of *any* feminist SF which not only sets up believeable role > models, but does so without gender specificity. In fact, im wondering if its > possible (since the former seems dependant on the latter). *getting the shot > glasses readY* > > >James Tiptree Jnr / Alice Sheldon / Racoona Sheldon > >Samuel Delaney > >Joanna Russ > >Marge Piercy > >Kate Bornstein... > > > > > > Gotta disagree here. While I love Tiptree and Russ, I don't really think > that "gender specific sexualities are no longer an issue" in their work. I'd > say that gender specifity is the driving issue in most of their writings > (and handled in highly thought-provoking ways. Piercy's utopian world in > Woman on the Edge of Time, I'll give you, but the book as a whole certainly > makes lots of issues about gender specificity, as does Bodies of Glass > (That's He, She and It for any Americans listening). Haven't read enough Sam > Delaney or Kate Bornstein to make a decent argument, so I'll let you get > away with them for now. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:31:21 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Lydia Lynsdaughter Subject: Re: Hello MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once a year, in the dead of winter, I allow myself the time to curl up and just re-read the Earthsea Trilogy (there are four of them) from beginning to end! What a pleasure! For those interested, in order, they are: The Wizard of Earthsea The Tombs of Atuan The Farthest Shore Tehanu The Farthest Shore is my least favorite, too much male adventuring, but still readable. The others are gems! 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