From LISTSERV@listserv.uic.edu Fri Jan 26 13:38:38 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:58:58 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0009B" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:16:48 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Julia Lyall Subject: Hooray for Discworld! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carrot and Anguia are 2 of my favourites, along with Granny, Nanny Ogg and the Witches. I had the pleasure of meeting Terry Pratchett once and he was as incisively funny in person as he is in his books. One thing he shared with us that day was that to write a really good story, one should read extensively and be interested in a wide variety of subjects. This would ensure that ideas would continue to be fresh and interesting. ------------------------------- Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com The official site of the Star Trek universe -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:42:32 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: Hooray for Discworld! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who doesn't like the discworld witches?? Personally, the luggage is something I long to have for my very own. Christine -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 03:53:24 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: Hooray for Discworld! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree---always thought the luggage was one of the cleverest and wittiest 'inventions' in fantasy literature! *VBG* Amy > Who doesn't like the discworld witches?? Personally, the luggage is something I long to have for my very own. > > Christine > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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In-Reply-To: <015501c01969$de468d40$23f34e0c@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:53 8/09/2000 -0400, Amy Harlib wrote: >I agree---always thought the luggage was one of the cleverest and wittiest >'inventions' in fantasy literature! *VBG* Amy Me too:) I also loved the Discworld CD-ROM multimedia computer Role-playing game - the luggage arrives in the first scene and travels with the player throughout the game:) In all the years I have played RPG's, both pre- and post- computerisation - I really have to bow to the Discworld game as the best of all, despite its lack of popularity - the animation is brilliant, plot scenes taken from several of Pratchett's books, and the voice-overs from some of Britains most acclaimed comedians is so much fun:) I would highly recommend the animated computer game to any fans of Pratchett's Discworld series of books:) Tho' one warning - the Discworld game is very difficult, - you will really need a "cheat-sheet" to get through many of the puzzle elements, but the very first puzzle in the first game, is working out how to get the luggage to do its stuff:) Cheers - Julieanne:) -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:25:08 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Julieanne Subject: Re: Hooray for Discworld! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 19:03 9/09/2000 EDT, Christine Ethier wrote: >Cd-Rom Discworld game? Does anyone know if it is avaiible in the U.S.? The Discworld games were released some years ago, so they may not work well on machines running Window NT or Win 2K because of their age. Though they may be patchable for upgraded operating systems. I bought Discworld 1 way back when I was still using Win 3.11 & DOS:) But it still runs fine all these years later on Win 95/98 systems. There were Mac versions as well. The publisher for Discworld 1 and 2 is Psygnosis - at http://www.psygnosis.com Discworld 1 & 2 are available through Amazon.com, along with a recently published third game in the series - 'Discworld Noir' but with a new publisher. This 3rd one is apparently quite different format to the first two, and I haven't tried it myself as yet - so can't comment, but the reviews are favourable:) Enjoy - Julieanne:) -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:42:42 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Sharon Collingwood Subject: Re: Singer from the Sea In-Reply-To: <000904194351JY.18370@weba6.iname.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It would be interesting to look at this one in the context of her earlier novel, THE AWAKENERS, (1985? 86?) which has just been reissued. I think the earlier novel is more sophisticated in how it deals with the environment. At 04:43 PM 9/4/00 , you wrote: >I enjoyed Singer from the Sea except that sometimes the main character drove me just about crazy. In some ways, she was such a diz-brain! > >When she was traveling in 'commonfolk' disguise, she kept putting her foot in her mouth (and putting everyone in danger) with remarks about having had dinner with the countess or repeating something that a duke had said to her. > >When they took her to spy on the 'ritual', they warned her not to make any noise as she would be putting them ALL in danger, and through the whole thing, she struggled and tried to make noise! > >I kept wanted to scream, 'Get it together, chickie!' I just found those parts really annoying. > >Lydia > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Get the Latest News at CNN Interactive: http://CNN.com > >-------------------------------------------------- >This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > >Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Sharon Collingwood Centre for Women's Studies and Feminist Research The University of Western Ontario London, Ontario CANADA N6A 3K7 -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:52:37 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: patricia fenech Subject: Ursula Le Guin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone -smile- I am a long time lurker, being a mere reader I have felt somewhat diffident amongst such erudite and knowledgable people, but loving the discussion and the books I have found after them -smile- But having mulled for a while I would like to offer a mere readers opinion -smile- on Ursula Le Guin. After reading the discussion it seemed to me that there is some evidence of age having something to do with reaction to her books. It seemed that those of us who are older think more highly of them. Well, I am over 50 and I like them very much, especially 'The left hand of darkness'. Perhaps our mind set is more in tune with the one she writes from? I am aware of the feminist criticism of 'The left hand of darkness' but it seems to me that the 'masculinity' of Estraven was inevitable given that the story is, in framework anyway, a story about politics. Certainly a writer should use their imagination, but to my mind it would have been impossible for someone of Ursula Le Guin's age to imagine a powerful politican who was not a man. For me it is not the pronouns which label Estraven a man, its his whole persona, but as I said I think this inevitable given his position in the society of Winter. To my mind though it succeeds admirably as a piece of feminist literature for it shows two individuals coming to respect and love each other as individuals - gender irrelevant - and though this may not be feminism as most see it, it is the kind of world I would like to see as an aging feminist. I do not like all of Ursula Le Guin's books by any means, but those I do like I love. Pat Fenech -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Their spokesperson Jessica Moser is quoted as saying "I know of no other prescription in the history of Wal-Mart that the company has refused to sell." In big cities with other pharmacies, this is no problem. For people who order online or by mail, this is no problem. But while it is their right to sell or not sell whatever they please, Wal-Mart is often the only pharmacy within easy reach of people in many areas. So Zero Population Growth (whose basic idea you may or may not agree with) is pushing a petition to Mr. Lee Scott, Jr., President of Wal-Mart, to reconsider this decision. Unfortunately, they do not give an address for Mr. Scott; only the sort of petition attached to a pitch for funds. Take it for what it's worth. Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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