From LISTSERV@listserv.uic.edu Fri Jan 26 13:38:54 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:58:58 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0009C" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:14:51 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: xanth novels MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recenlty just read _Faun and Games_ by Piers Anthony. Its the first time I've read a new Xanth novel in years. And it occured to me that he seems to be getting tired of the series, perhaps. I never saw the xanth novels as sexist until I read _The Color of Her Panties_ personally I thought that one was just plain sick. But his female characters did have character. They were for the most part, more intelligent or ambitionous then their male counterparts. In fact, in some of the realtionships their is a sense of the woman making the man a tad bit stronger (i.e. Irene and Dor). But _Faun and Games_ seems different. The female characters seem sterotypical, in fact most of the characters seem flat. Even Mare Imbrimi seems not to be herself., and this upset me because she was one of my long time favorite characters. To me, the book seemed to be little more then a listing of puns. After reading anthony's afterword, I thought perhaps I was the reason for it. He talked about giving a lecutre concerning, as he put it, his "more serious" writing. Could it be that he now lacks interst in Xanth, perhaps resents it because it is the series that he is primary known for , and only writes the book so he makes money? I know that this is slightly off topic, but I was wondering if it was just, or does anyone else feel the same way? Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:07:13 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: xanth novels MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ABSOLUTELY! Xanth has become an embarrassing blot on the reputation of fantasy books as worthwhile literature! Amy (who gave up on the series way back after #5 or so ). > I recenlty just read _Faun and Games_ by Piers Anthony. Its the first time > I've read a new Xanth novel in years. And it occured to me that he seems to > be getting tired of the series, perhaps. I never saw the xanth novels as > sexist until I read _The Color of Her Panties_ personally I thought that one > was just plain sick. But his female characters did have character. They > were for the most part, more intelligent or ambitionous then their male > counterparts. In fact, in some of the realtionships their is a sense of the > woman making the man a tad bit stronger (i.e. Irene and Dor). But _Faun and > Games_ seems different. The female characters seem sterotypical, in fact > most of the characters seem flat. Even Mare Imbrimi seems not to be > herself., and this upset me because she was one of my long time favorite > characters. To me, the book seemed to be little more then a listing of puns. > After reading anthony's afterword, I thought perhaps I was the reason for > it. He talked about giving a lecutre concerning, as he put it, his "more > serious" writing. Could it be that he now lacks interst in Xanth, perhaps > resents it because it is the series that he is primary known for , and only > writes the book so he makes money? I know that this is slightly off topic, > but I was wondering if it was just, or does anyone else feel the same way? > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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It will include an interview of LeGuin >by Bill Moyers. > >Thanks for writing, >Leigh Haus, Thirteen/WNET Member and Viewer Relations >Thirteen/WNET Member/Viewer Hotline: (212)560-2888 ------------------------------------------- Cristen Curley cristen@starwhores.org dangerkitty.com - not a porn site, but the next best thing "Kissing you for the first time on a date is like eating unlabeled candy." - Lewin A.R.W. Edwards "Sit, stay.... Good Hamlet!" - MST3K ____________________________ Free Email/SMTP/POP, http://www.bn3.com, Hosting yourname@yoursite.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:34:51 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Cindy Smith Subject: Re: Lathe of Heaven >From: MX%"FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU" "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" 18-SEP-2000 17:13:42.61 >To: MX%"FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU" >Subj: [*FSFFU*] NY PEOPLE: Ursula LeGuin "Lathe of Heaven" >From: Cristen >Subject: [*FSFFU*] NY PEOPLE: Ursula LeGuin "Lathe of Heaven" >To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU >>LATHE OF HEAVEN will be rebroadcast on Saturday, October 28th at 10:15PM and >>will run for 2 hours and 10 minutes. It will include an interview of LeGuin >>by Bill Moyers. On what channel? Please give the call letters as channel numbers vary from area to area. Thanks! >>Thanks for writing, >>Leigh Haus, Thirteen/WNET Member and Viewer Relations >>Thirteen/WNET Member/Viewer Hotline: (212)560-2888 >Cristen Curley >cristen@starwhores.org >dangerkitty.com - not a porn site, but the next best thing >"Kissing you for the first time on a date is like eating unlabeled candy." >- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards >"Sit, stay.... Good Hamlet!" - MST3K Cindy Smith Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter GO AGAINST THE FLOW! \\ _\\\_ _///_ // A Real Live Catholic in Georgia cms@dragon.com >IXOYE=('> <`)= _<< "Delay not your conversion cms@romancatholic.org// /// \\\ \\ to the LORD, Put it not off cms@5sc.net from day to day" Ecclus/Sira 5:8 -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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It was about a young woman artist who becomes the apprentice of strange older man, turns out he's evil, can bring the subjects of her paintings to life, and is exploiting them for his own ends. Can some gentleperson help me? ------------------------------------------------------ Get the Latest News at CNN Interactive: http://CNN.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Title is TheGolden Key. Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:17:46 -0700 Reply-To: zbryte@excite.com Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: somegrrrl Subject: Lathe of Heaven Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone! Lathe of Heaven is now out on video and DVD so those of you not from New York can still join in on the fun. I saw a copy at my local Borders! Corinne by stretching out my arms past the boundaries of their limits I can almost break the chains. stretching out my arms zine #1 somegrrrl _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:14:49 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Terri Subject: Re: Name That Title In-Reply-To: <000918201822L1.00425@weba8.iname.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Was it Charles de Lint's "Memory & Dream? Terri >As everyone is going over titles in their heads at >the moment, I thought I'd take to this time to >play a round of 'Name that Title'. I picked this >book at random off the library shelf, really enjoyed >it, but now can't remember the title or the name of >the author. > >The book would be classified as 'fantasy'. It was >about a young woman artist who becomes the >apprentice of strange older man, turns out he's evil, >can bring the subjects of her paintings to life, and >is exploiting them for his own ends. > >Can some gentleperson help me? > > -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Title is TheGolden Key. > > Chris Hmm...the plot outlined matches EXACTLY to a Charles DeLint book I read recently; can't remember which one, but definitely Charles DeLint; it takes place in that Canadian city he created; Newford. The mentor abuses her, but she puts up with it because he's a VERY GOOD artist, and she wants to learn from him. Found it on Amazon; it's "Memory and Dream": http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0812534077/qid=969338412/sr=1-7/103-6261498-1382251 -Sandy -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Thanks - Lydia ------------------------------------------------------ Get the Latest News at CNN Interactive: http://CNN.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 03:24:21 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Lydia Lynsdaughter Subject: Name That Title MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit < Hmm...the plot outlined matches EXACTLY < to a Charles DeLint book I read recently; < can't remember which one, but definitely < Charles DeLint; ... The mentor abuses her, < but she puts up with it because he's a < VERY GOOD artist, and she wants to learn < from him. < Found it on Amazon; it's "Memory and Dream": The scene where her mentor abuses her scared the hell out of me. I can't remember now how she dealt with it, I'll have to read the book again. I liked how the 'younger-selves' of her and her girlfriend, Kathy, ended up in the end (which is double talk, but I don't want to give the ending away). I also am an incurable romantic and I loved the man she 'created' for herself. If only I could do that ... ------------------------------------------------------ Get the Latest News at CNN Interactive: http://CNN.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:40:24 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Phoebe Wray Subject: Re: Name That Title MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/19/00 3:09:28 AM, gadfly@BEEN-THERE.COM writes: << But, hey, was 'The Golden Key' good? I'll give it a try! >> I loved The Golden Key. It's a hefty story written by three writers we've talked about here: Melanie Rawn, Jennifer Roberson and Kate Elliott. Once I started, I couldn't stop reading it. best, phoebe wray -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:21:37 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: Re: Name That Title In-Reply-To: <000918201822L1.00425@weba8.iname.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Lydia Lynsdaughter wrote: > The book would be classified as 'fantasy'. It was > about a young woman artist who becomes the > apprentice of strange older man, turns out he's evil, > can bring the subjects of her paintings to life, and > is exploiting them for his own ends. > > Can some gentleperson help me? I know it's by Charles deLint, but can't remember the title. > Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:15:24 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: Name That Title MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/19/2000 3:09:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gadfly@BEEN-THERE.COM writes: << ut, hey, was 'The Golden Key' good? I'll give it a try! Thanks - Lydia >> At the risk of sounding like Tonyuthe Tiger, It's Great Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:11:40 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Chris Shaffer Subject: Re: Bad news In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >The French government has opened negotiations with the Taliban. The reason >is access to regional resources. Why is this bad news? ----- Question authority, but please raise your hand first. Thank you. Chris Shaffer http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ chris@bsinc.net AIM:ChrisShaff -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:42:07 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Candioglos, Sandy" Subject: Re: Bad news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > The French government has opened negotiations with the > Taliban. The reason > is access to regional resources. Do you mind sharing where you heard this? I can't find any more detail anywhere... -Sandy -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:03:53 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: Re: Bad news In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000920091127.00afbef0@209.116.117.80> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Chris Shaffer wrote: > >The French government has opened negotiations with the Taliban. The reason > >is access to regional resources. > > Why is this bad news? > ----- The Taliban is the Islamic fundamentalist government (theocracy? Pakistanocracy?) of Afghanistan. They ruled that no Afghani woman could work outside the home - depriving their country of many of its doctors, teachers, etc. They have outlawed the teaching of girls, though some women are secretly holding in-home classes. There was a United Nations project where widows owned bakeries and produced bread sold cheaply to other widows. The Taliban tried to outlaw that on the grounds that even impoverished widows should not be earning their own living. Luckily, the United Nations and outraged public opinion forced them to back down on that one! Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:05:41 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: Re: Bad news In-Reply-To: <794826DE8867D411BAB8009027AE9EB947C97E@FMSMSX38> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Candioglos, Sandy wrote: > > The French government has opened negotiations with the > > Taliban. The reason > > is access to regional resources. > > Do you mind sharing where you heard this? I can't find any more detail > anywhere... > > -Sandy > It was on the Stratford Intelligence list I subscribe to. I apparently deleted the email after reading and passing it on, but try a web search. Sorry!> Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:23:55 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: Bad news: Mathews after Shaffer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The sorry bastards are rabidly "traditionalist," with their idea of tradition being the only one that matters. Men as well as women are under ridiculous restrictions enforced with brutality. Don't be a man in the street without a beard...don't be a woman in the street without a man. Ah, fine fighters for freedom...would that they even had the rather retrograde notions about human dignity of the Pakistani regime. -----Original Message----- From: Pat [mailto:mathews@UNM.EDU] On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Chris Shaffer wrote: > >The French government has opened negotiations with the Taliban. The reason > >is access to regional resources. > > Why is this bad news? > ----- The Taliban is the Islamic fundamentalist government (theocracy? Pakistanocracy?) of Afghanistan. They ruled that no Afghani woman could work outside the home - depriving their country of many of its doctors, teachers, etc. They have outlawed the teaching of girls, though some women are secretly holding in-home classes. There was a United Nations project where widows owned bakeries and produced bread sold cheaply to other widows. The Taliban tried to outlaw that on the grounds that even impoverished widows should not be earning their own living. Luckily, the United Nations and outraged public opinion forced them to back down on that one! -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:43:32 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: Bad news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > check out http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37605-2000Sep19.html > > best, > phoebe > Excellent article, informative---if depressing. Amy -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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