Re: [*FSFFU*] which book?

gveazey@vistatech.net ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C024D0.2551F6E0-- -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:05:07 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Chris Shaffer Subject: Re: which book? In-Reply-To: <000e01c024f1$ad1ab1e0$a184cbcf@vistatech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >FOREVER PEACE by Joe Haldeman >MOON AND STARS by Vonda McIntyre >DARK WATER'S EMBRACE by Leigh >SEWER, GAS, AND ELECTRIC by Matt Ruff >NIGHT SKY MOON by M. Scott > >Anyone who's read any of these and has comments, please let me know what >you'd recommend. I haven't read Forever Peace, but Joe Haldeman tends toward the militaristic side of science fiction - though often with good moral points. I don't think I've read anything by him that had strong female characterization. Night Sky Moon by Melissa Scott is not her best (try Trouble and her Friends instead) but it is quite enjoyable. However, a friend who says she doesn't like hard-science fiction told me it was a bit to techie for her taste. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:55:36 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon-Gould" Subject: Re: which book? In-Reply-To: <000e01c024f1$ad1ab1e0$a184cbcf@vistatech.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3052500936_2800942_MIME_Part" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3052500936_2800942_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 9/22/00 6:03 PM, Gwen Veazey at gveazey@VISTATECH.NET wrote: DARK WATER'S EMBRACE by Leigh Gwen, I've read this book and enjoyed it a *whole* bunch. It's a murder mystery, and also a thought-provoking look at gender and culture that hinges on evolutionary necessity. Excellent world-building, nice archeological and xenobiological aspects, well-drawn characters, and a strong, well-integrated feminist theme. -l. -- Laura J. Mixon | ljm@digitalnoir.com | www.digitalnoir.com -------------------------------------------------------------- PROXIES- Future-noir with a heart of gold (and buns of steel) (Tor, Oct 1999 ISBN 0812523873) http://www.digitalnoir.com/prx -------------------------------------------------------------- --MS_Mac_OE_3052500936_2800942_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [*FSFFU*] which book? on 9/22/00 6:03 PM, Gwen Veazey at gveazey@VISTATECH.NET wrote:

DARK WATER'S EMBRACE by Leigh

Gwen, I've read this book and enjoyed it a *whole* bunch. It's a murd= er mystery, and also a thought-provoking look at gender and culture that hin= ges on evolutionary necessity. Excellent world-building, nice ar= cheological and xenobiological aspects, well-drawn characters, and a strong,= well-integrated feminist theme.

-l.
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Laura J. Mixon | ljm@digitalnoir.com | www.digitaln= oir.com
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PROXIES- Future-noir with a heart of gold (and buns of steel)
(Tor, Oct 1999 ISBN 0812523873) http://www.digitalnoir.com/prx
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--MS_Mac_OE_3052500936_2800942_MIME_Part-- -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:56:42 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: John Snead Subject: Melissa Scott's Work In-Reply-To: <200009230501.AAA26464@listserv.uic.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Night Sky Mine was OK, but not one of her very best. I also wasn't all that happy with Trouble and Her Friends, but I definitely prefer her far future works to her near future works. I was quite impressed with an early (1989) work she wrote, The Kindly Ones. In addition to being well done, it also seemed to me to be very much an SF version of the US in the 1960s, with a special focus on the Stonewall Riots. I'm wondering if this was my own odd idea, or if anyone else notice/thought of this. -John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:10:01 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Re: which book? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really enjoyed Vonda's MOON AND THE SUN, and I believe it may also have been the topic of a book discussion group on this list. Maryelizabeth http://www.mystgalaxy.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:09:38 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: which book? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/23/2000 11:11:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, publicity@MYSTGALAXY.COM writes: << I really enjoyed Vonda's MOON AND THE SUN, and I believe it may also have been the topic of a book discussion group on this list. Maryelizabeth >> It is a GREAT book. Set in Ren. France. Characters are actually human. Like the idea of scientifc study vs. humanity. I read somewhere that Henson productions had brought the film rights. Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:17:23 +0100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Alice=20Jenkins?= Subject: Can anyone point me towards novels about returning home? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all, I'd be very grateful if anyone could suggest titles of novels by women writers which feature humans who have been away from Earth for some time, perhaps even for generations, returning to this planet? I'm particularly interested in novels that examine the problem of characters trying to identify with a 'home' planet that isn't really familiar or congenial to them. Thank you very much for any help you can give me! Alice Jenkins ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:46:03 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Misha Bernard Subject: Re: Melissa Scott's Work In-Reply-To: <200009230655.CAA15031@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi John (everyone) I hadn't thought of it that way... but I only read _THe Kindly Ones_ (well- I could have the title wrong, not near my bookshelf,but about cultures on two moons, very clan-heirarchical) about 6 weeks ago and I have read _Shadow Man_ a few times now. My take was that TKO was really M Scott's early working out of what she did better in _Shadow Man_. I know opinion is very divided about _SM_, but it is one of Scott's less tech/comp focused works and I saw a direct link to _TKO_ in terms of the ghost and para'anin populations and the wrangwys. I just thought that Scott transfered her focus to the (IMO) more interesting aspect of what society DOES with those groups in _SM_ where in _TKO_ she got tangled up in the 'alien' political structure. BUT, since I was thinking about it in direct relation to _SM_, I wasn't thinking about Stonewall. Perhaps another way to look at it is _TKO_ is akin to rendering Stonewall and _SM is 20 years later, with a somewhat different community composition. I saw the rana groups akin to groups like the early ACTUP and/or TransGender Menace. _Night Sky Mine_ was fine... but again the focus is less on the people and more on the sci/tech. What this does (and _Trouble_) is foreground issues of what tech and people can do... but still presents the people in society (great esp if you're lacking in same-sex pair relationships mostly taken for granted). In other books, Scott better integrates her concerns with how technology is implicated/interwoven with the presentation and confrontation of peoples' difference. If Gwen is still reading (or anyone else!)... maybe M Scott's _Dreaming Metal_ would be a good compromise- getting discussions of social issues AND neat technical stuff both into the same book. It comes after _Dream Ships_ but can be read alone (at least I thought so, I read it first and thought it was better). misha On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, John Snead wrote: > Night Sky Mine was OK, but not one of her very best. I also wasn't > all that happy with Trouble and Her Friends, but I definitely prefer > her far future works to her near future works. > > I was quite impressed with an early (1989) work she wrote, The > Kindly Ones. In addition to being well done, it also seemed to me > to be very much an SF version of the US in the 1960s, with a > special focus on the Stonewall Riots. I'm wondering if this was my > own odd idea, or if anyone else notice/thought of this. > > > -John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University ------------------------- -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:53:55 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: Melissa Scott's Work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Way to go Misha-----I thought I was the only one out there who loved Melissa Scott's books! Amy > Hi John (everyone) > I hadn't thought of it that way... but I only read _THe Kindly > Ones_ (well- I could have the title wrong, not near my bookshelf,but about > cultures on two moons, very clan-heirarchical) about 6 weeks ago and I > have read _Shadow Man_ a few times now. My take was that TKO was really > M Scott's early working out of what she did better in _Shadow Man_. > I know opinion is very divided about _SM_, but it is one of > Scott's less tech/comp focused works and I saw a direct link to _TKO_ in > terms of the ghost and para'anin populations and the wrangwys. I just > thought that Scott transfered her focus to the (IMO) more interesting > aspect of what society DOES with those groups in _SM_ where in _TKO_ she > got tangled up in the 'alien' political structure. > BUT, since I was thinking about it in direct relation to _SM_, I > wasn't thinking about Stonewall. Perhaps another way to look at it is > _TKO_ is akin to rendering Stonewall and _SM is 20 years later, with a > somewhat different community composition. I saw the rana groups akin to > groups like the early ACTUP and/or TransGender Menace. > _Night Sky Mine_ was fine... but again the focus is less on the > people and more on the sci/tech. What this does (and _Trouble_) is > foreground issues of what tech and people can do... but still presents the > people in society (great esp if you're lacking in same-sex pair > relationships mostly taken for granted). In other books, Scott better > integrates her concerns with how technology is implicated/interwoven with > the presentation and confrontation of peoples' difference. > If Gwen is still reading (or anyone else!)... maybe M Scott's > _Dreaming Metal_ would be a good compromise- getting discussions of social > issues AND neat technical stuff both into the same book. It comes after > _Dream Ships_ but can be read alone (at least I thought so, I read it > first and thought it was better). > > misha > > > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, John Snead wrote: > > > Night Sky Mine was OK, but not one of her very best. I also wasn't > > all that happy with Trouble and Her Friends, but I definitely prefer > > her far future works to her near future works. > > > > I was quite impressed with an early (1989) work she wrote, The > > Kindly Ones. In addition to being well done, it also seemed to me > > to be very much an SF version of the US in the 1960s, with a > > special focus on the Stonewall Riots. I'm wondering if this was my > > own odd idea, or if anyone else notice/thought of this. > > > > > > -John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > > > > > Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student > mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University > > ------------------------- > > -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- > Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:21:57 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Emily Patrick Subject: Re: Melissa Scott's Work In-Reply-To: <067a01c02700$6e1f4440$44064f0c@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Amy Harlib wrote: > Way to go Misha-----I thought I was the only one out there who loved Melissa > Scott's books! Amy Not at all... I've loved every one of her books that I've read, although I still haven't read several of the really early books. - emily -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:25:15 -0700 Reply-To: Jo Ann Rangel Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jo Ann Rangel Subject: Re: mary shelley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am trying to remember my Romantic Lit class I took and we covered Frankenstein...I did a fast search over at Amazon.com, and this text title came up it might be the one I used in class: Frankenstein : Complete, Authoritative Text With Biographical, Historical, and Cultural Contexts, Critical History, and Essays from Contemporary criti by Johanna M. Smith (Editor), Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley This might be in your library at school. Also this came up in my search: The Letters of Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley : Treading in Unknown Paths by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, B. Bennett (Editor) Mary Shelley : A Literary Life (Literary Lives) by John Williams Here is a bio but I do not know if scholars regard it as credible or not: Mary Shelley : Her Life, Her Fiction, Her Monsters by Anne K. Mellor A quick web search brought up the following links: http://www.english.udel.edu/swilson/mws/mws.html http://www.desert-fairy.com/maryshel.shtml http://loki.stockton.edu/~stk13818/main.htm Good luck with your paper! Jo Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "m" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:50 PM Subject: [*FSFFU*] mary shelley > hello, i'm new to the list...i'm a junior > undergraduate student at West Virginia University > majoring in English..i'm subscribing to the list > largely b/c i'd like to get some feedback and info. > for a paper i'm writing...the paper requires that i > subscribe to a listserv... > i'm wondering if anyone would happen to know of any > good biographies on Mary Shelley or if anyone would > have any important info on Shelley's relationship with > her father?... > the paper deals with natural/unnatural relationships > that are represented in Frankenstein and i know that > Shelley was estranged from Godwin after her marriage > to Percy...did they ever make amends?... > if anyone should have some insight i'd really > appreciate it... > thank you... > mandi frederick > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. > > -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:17:13 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Gwen Veazey Subject: Re: mary shelley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mandi, Your topic sounds interesting. Don't know if this helps or not, but a professor at NC State in Raleigh will be speaking on "Mary's Monsters, or Framing Frankenstein" in a seminar Oct.27 and 28 at UNC Chapel Hill (my alma mater!) More Info at www.unc.edu/depts/human/AdvFall00/monsters The speaker on Frankenstein is Leila May, Associate Professor of English at NCSU. The seminar sounds so good, I may go. It's "Witches, Wizards, Monsters, and the Imagination: A Seminar for Allhallows." Talks on Grendel, classic and modern witches, and Harry Potter are also featured. Best, Gwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "m" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:50 PM Subject: [*FSFFU*] mary shelley > hello, i'm new to the list...i'm a junior > undergraduate student at West Virginia University > majoring in English...i'm subscribing to the list > largely b/c i'd like to get some feedback and info. > for a paper i'm writing...the paper requires that i > subscribe to a listserv... > i'm wondering if anyone would happen to know of any > good biographies on Mary Shelley or if anyone would > have any important info on Shelley's relationship with > her father?... > the paper deals with natural/unnatural relationships > that are represented in Frankenstein and i know that > Shelley was estranged from Godwin after her marriage > to Percy...did they ever make amends?... > if anyone should have some insight i'd really > appreciate it... > thank you... > mandi frederick > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:12:05 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: mary shelley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/27/2000 5:02:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mfrederi79@YAHOO.COM writes: << i'm wondering if anyone would happen to know of any good biographies on Mary Shelley or if anyone would have any important info on Shelley's relationship with her father?... >> I did a paper on Mary Shelly about 4 years ago. At that time, I couldn't find a very good biography. Most dealt with her and Shelly. But here are the ones I did use. _Mary Shelly_ by William A. Walling (1972) _Shelly A Life Story_ by Edmund Blunder (1974) -good infro about the marriage _The Shelly Legend_ by Robert Metcalf Smith (1967) -contions the story about Shelly having a child with Mary's step-sister I also would recomnd looking at her journal and letters, both of which are in various book (collection) forms. As for her father, I think they did at least come to some terms, but she, at least to me, always seemed closer to the circle she had with Shelly. After Shelly's death, Mary did much to make sure that he would be remembered for his poetry. Some of the books make an agruement that if it hadn't been for her, we wouldn't see Shelly in such the famous light we do (at least in terms of his poetry). Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:12:42 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Dave Samuelson Subject: Re: mary shelley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A3C3A302F49F0F9B356F45D6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A3C3A302F49F0F9B356F45D6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7C8942B5726061A9F00BB0F1" --------------7C8942B5726061A9F00BB0F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about Emily Sunstein's Mary Shelley: Romance and Reality (Little Brown 1989) and the family biography, was it The Godwins and the Shelleys? Christine Ethier wrote: > In a message dated 9/27/2000 5:02:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mfrederi79@YAHOO.COM writes: > > << i'm wondering if anyone would happen to know of any > good biographies on Mary Shelley or if anyone would > have any important info on Shelley's relationship with > her father?... >> > > I did a paper on Mary Shelly about 4 years ago. At that time, I couldn't > find a very good biography. Most dealt with her and Shelly. But here are > the ones I did use. > _Mary Shelly_ by William A. Walling (1972) > _Shelly A Life Story_ by Edmund Blunder (1974) -good infro about the marriage > _The Shelly Legend_ by Robert Metcalf Smith (1967) -contions the story about > Shelly having a child with Mary's step-sister > > I also would recomnd looking at her journal and letters, both of which are in > various book (collection) forms. > > As for her father, I think they did at least come to some terms, but she, at > least to me, always seemed closer to the circle she had with Shelly. After > Shelly's death, Mary did much to make sure that he would be remembered for > his poetry. Some of the books make an agruement that if it hadn't been for > her, we wouldn't see Shelly in such the famous light we do (at least in terms > of his poetry). > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. --------------7C8942B5726061A9F00BB0F1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about Emily Sunstein's Mary Shelley: Romance and Reality (Little Brown 1989) and the family biography, was it The Godwins and the Shelleys?

Christine Ethier wrote:

In a message dated 9/27/2000 5:02:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mfrederi79@YAHOO.COM writes:
<< i'm wondering if anyone would happen to know of any
good biographies on Mary Shelley or if anyone would
have any important info on Shelley's relationship with
her father?... >>
I did a paper on Mary Shelly about 4 years ago. At that time, I couldn't
find a very good biography. Most dealt with her and Shelly. But here are
the ones I did use.
_Mary Shelly_ by William A. Walling (1972)
_Shelly A Life Story_ by Edmund Blunder (1974) -good infro about the marriage
_The Shelly Legend_ by Robert Metcalf Smith (1967) -contions the story about
Shelly having a child with Mary's step-sister
I also would recomnd looking at her journal and letters, both of which are in
various book (collection) forms.
As for her father, I think they did at least come to some terms, but she, at
least to me, always seemed closer to the circle she had with Shelly. After
Shelly's death, Mary did much to make sure that he would be remembered for
his poetry. Some of the books make an agruement that if it hadn't been for
her, we wouldn't see Shelly in such the famous light we do (at least in terms
of his poetry).
Chris
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