From LISTSERV@listserv.uic.edu Fri Jan 26 13:38:06 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:58:50 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0005C" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:58:54 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Laura Quilter Subject: trying to identify a novel & a short story Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Novel - At least 10 years ago I read a novel -- which was probably also not at all new even at the time -- which I need to identify. It took place in a near-future Britain; something had happened to women across the world (biological warfare probably) so that very few women could become pregnant. A forced labor camp is set up, and the protagonist of the novel who has become a big politician leading the charge to set up the camps is distraught to discover that his wife is one of the breeders. To set an example she goes to the camp. 15 years later or so the leader has hooked up with her sister, and we're about to see what happens with the children. There was some kind of twist end - all the children were boys, or sterile, or something. I looked through Herbert's THE WHITE PLAGUE the other day -- which I also read at about the same time -- and I'm pretty sure this isn't it. But I cannot for the life of me figure out what *is* it .... The Short Story - Even longer ago in a science fiction anthology I read another breeding-oriented story. The protagonist is a young girl; it turns out she is at a school or a convent-type place where young girls are raised & indoctrinated in why it's important for them to breed. There's an eternal war going on, and you have the impression it's a 1984 sort of war: the Northern Coalition against the Southern Side, or something very generic & broad like that. No resolution or escape; just a bleak explanation & a sense that this is everyone's life; every person's life has been turned into that of some cog in this totalitarian militaristic regime. Young girls to breed, young boys to be slaughtered. Laura Quilter lauraq@exploratorium.edu ph: 415.353.0465 / 415.561.0343 Learning Center Facilities Manager Exploratorium, San Francisco -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:04:22 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: trying to identify a novel & a short story: Quilter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't know the novel, but is the short story "The Funeral" by Kate Wilhelm? Sounds close to my hazy memory. -----Original Message----- From: Laura Quilter [mailto:lquilter@EXPLORATORIUM.EDU] The Short Story - Even longer ago in a science fiction anthology I read another breeding-oriented story. The protagonist is a young girl; it turns out she is at a school or a convent-type place where young girls are raised & indoctrinated in why it's important for them to breed. There's an eternal war going on, and you have the impression it's a 1984 sort of war: the Northern Coalition against the Southern Side, or something very generic & broad like that. No resolution or escape; just a bleak explanation & a sense that this is everyone's life; every person's life has been turned into that of some cog in this totalitarian militaristic regime. Young girls to breed, young boys to be slaughtered. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:37:40 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Debbie Notkin Subject: Re: trying to identify a novel & a short story: Quilter In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:04 PM 5/15/00 -0500, Todd Mason wrote: >Don't know the novel, but is the short story "The Funeral" by Kate Wilhelm? >Sounds close to my hazy memory. Similarly, I'm wondering if the novel is ARMED CAMPS by Kit Reed. But it's been many years... -- Debbie Notkin kith@slip.net -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:03:57 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Laura Quilter Subject: Re: trying to identify a novel & a short story: Quilter In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000516083721.00a86510@pop.slip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII thanks everyone - a couple of leads i can follow up on. (another friend who is a wilhelm fan also suggested that story & pointed out that it was also anthologized in one of the "Women of Wonder" collections and in "Again, Dangerous Visions." any other ideas please let me know .... On Tue, 16 May 2000, Debbie Notkin wrote: > At 08:04 PM 5/15/00 -0500, Todd Mason wrote: > >Don't know the novel, but is the short story "The Funeral" by Kate Wilhelm? > >Sounds close to my hazy memory. > > Similarly, I'm wondering if the novel is ARMED CAMPS by Kit Reed. But it's > been many years... > -- > Debbie Notkin > kith@slip.net > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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About the short story, though i don't think i ever read the one you're looking for, "the funeral" by Kate Wilhelm is rather similar. ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura Quilter To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 4:58 PM Subject: [*FSFFU*] trying to identify a novel & a short story > The Novel - > > At least 10 years ago I read a novel -- which was probably also not at all > new even at the time -- which I need to identify. It took place in a > near-future Britain; something had happened to women across the world > (biological warfare probably) so that very few women could become > pregnant. A forced labor camp is set up, and the protagonist of the novel > who has become a big politician leading the charge to set up the camps is > distraught to discover that his wife is one of the breeders. To set an > example she goes to the camp. > > 15 years later or so the leader has hooked up with her sister, and we're > about to see what happens with the children. There was some kind of twist > end - all the children were boys, or sterile, or something. > > I looked through Herbert's THE WHITE PLAGUE the other day -- which I also > read at about the same time -- and I'm pretty sure this isn't it. But I > cannot for the life of me figure out what *is* it .... > > > The Short Story - > > Even longer ago in a science fiction anthology I read another > breeding-oriented story. The protagonist is a young girl; it turns out > she is at a school or a convent-type place where young girls are raised & > indoctrinated in why it's important for them to breed. There's an eternal > war going on, and you have the impression it's a 1984 sort of war: the > Northern Coalition against the Southern Side, or something very generic & > broad like that. No resolution or escape; just a bleak explanation & a > sense that this is everyone's life; every person's life has been turned > into that of some cog in this totalitarian militaristic regime. Young > girls to breed, young boys to be slaughtered. > > Laura Quilter lauraq@exploratorium.edu > ph: 415.353.0465 / 415.561.0343 > Learning Center Facilities Manager > Exploratorium, San Francisco > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Other nominations, in recognition of achievement in the field of horror during 1999, are: NOVEL Jonathan Aycliffe, The Talisman (Ash-Tree) Richard Bowes, Minions of the Moon (Tor) Kim Newman, Seven Stars (in Dark Detectives, Fedogan & Bremer) Stewart O'Nan, A Prayer for the Dying (Henry Holt) *** Peter Straub, Mr. X (Random House) FIRST NOVEL Michael Cisco, The Divinity Student (Buzzcity) *** Fred Durbin, Dragonfly (Arkham House) Paul Griner, Collectors (Random House) China Miéville, King Rat (Tor) J. G. Passarella, Wither (Pocket) LONG FICTION Andy Duncan, "The Executioner's Guild," Asimov's, August 1999 Graham Joyce, "Leningrad Nights," PS Publishing Tim Lebbon, "White," Masters of Terror Press Kim Newman, "Andy Warhol's Dracula," Event Horizon, June 1999 Lucius Shepard, "Crocodile Rock," Fantasy & Science Fiction, Oct/Nov 1999 *** SHORT FICTION Richard Calder, "Impakto," Interzone, December 1999 Gemma Files, "The Emperor's Old Bones," Northern Frights 5 *** Kim Newman, "Americanski Dead at the Moscow Morgue," 999 Michael Marshall Smith, "What You Make It," What You Make It Steve Rasnic Tem, "Halloween Street," Fantasy & Science Fiction, July 1999 COLLECTION David Case, Brotherly Love & Other Tales of Faith and Knowledge (Pumpkin Books) Douglas Clegg, The Nightmare Chronicles (Leisure) *** Jean Ray, My Private Spectres (Midnight House) Jay Russell, Waltzes and Whispers (Pumpkin Books) Michael Marshall Smith, What You Make It (HarperCollins UK) ANTHOLOGY Richard Chizmar and William Schafer, eds., Subterranean Gallery *** (Subterranean) Ellen Datlow and Terri Windling, eds., The Year's Best Fantasy and Horror Fiction, 12th Annual (St. Martin's) Don Hutchison, ed., Northern Frights 5 (Mosaic) Stephen Jones, ed., The Mammoth Book of Best New Horror, Vol. 10 (Carroll & Graf) Stephen Jones, ed., White of the Moon: New Tales of Madness and Dread (Pumpkin Books) NONFICTION Neil Barron, ed., Fantasy and Horror: A Critical and Historical Guide to Literature, Illustration, Film, TV, Radio, and the Internet (Scarecrow Press) *** Richard Davenport-Hines, Gothic: Four Hundred Years of Excess, Horror, Evil and Ruin (North Point/FSG) Chris Jarocha-Ernst, A Cthulhu Mythos: Bibliography & Concordance (Armitage House) S.T. Joshi, Sixty Years of Arkham House (Arkham House) Victoria Price, Vincent Price: A Daughter's Biography (St. Martin's) GRAPHIC STORY Axel Alonso and Joan Hilty, eds., Flinch #1-7 (Vertigo/DC) *** Brian Michael Bendis and Marc Andreyko, Torso #1-4 (Image) Roman Dirge, Lenore #5-6 (Slave Labor Graphics) Joe R. Lansdale and Sam Glanzman, Red Range (Mojo Press) David Quinn and Tim Vigil, Faust: The Book of M #1-3 (Avatar) ARTIST Charles Burns *** Sue Coe Chad Savage Douglas Walters Kent Williams FILM The Blair Witch Project (directed and written by Daniel Myrick & Eduardo Sánchez) The Sixth Sense (directed and written by M. Night Shyamalan) Sleepy Hollow (directed by Tim Burton; screenplay by Kevin Yagher & Andrew Kevin Walker, based on a story by Washington Irving) Stir of Echoes(directed and written by David Koepp based on a novel by Richard Matheson)*** The Talented Mr. Ripley (directed and written by Anthony Minghella based on a novel by Patricia Highsmith) PUBLICATION All Hallows DarkEcho *** Enigmatic Tales Ghosts & Scholars Grue TELEVISION SHOW The Storm of the Century (ABC)*** Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Fox ) The X-Files (Fox ) -- Stoker Awards: NOVEL Darker than Night, Owl Goingback (Signet) Hannibal, Thomas Harris (Delacorte) Low Men in Yellow Coats, Stephen King (Hearts in Atlantis) Hexes, Tom Piccirilli (Leisure) Mr. X, Peter Straub (Random House) *** FIRST NOVEL Widow's Walk, Steve Beai (Indigo) Every Dead Thing, John Connolly (Simon & Schuster) King Rat, China Miéville (Macmillan UK/ Tor) Wither, J.G. Passarella (Pocket) *** LONG FICTION Five Days in April," Brian A. Hopkins (Chiaroscuro: Treatments of Light and Shade in Words, July) Dread in the Beast," Charlee Jacob (Dread in the Beast) "Right to Life," Jack Ketchum (published as a small book by Cemetery Dance) "Mad Dog Summer," Joe R. Lansdale (999: New Stories of Horror and Suspense)*** SHORT FICTION "The Grave," P.D. Cacek (999: New Stories of Horror and Suspense) "The Entertainment," Ramsey Campbell (999: New Stories of Horror and Suspense) Halloween Street," Steve Rasnic Tem (F&SF, July) "After Shock," by F. Paul Wilson (Realms of Fantasy, Dec.) *** FICTION COLLECTION Death Drives a Semi, Edo van Belkom (Quarry Press) The Nightmare Chronicles, Douglas Clegg (Leisure)*** Hearts in Atlantis, Stephen King (Scribner) Deep into that Darkness Peering, Tom Piccirilli (Terminal Fright) ANTHOLOGY The Year's Best Fantasy and Horror, Twelfth Annual Collection, edited by Ellen Datlow & Terri Windling (St. Martin's) The Mammoth Book of Best New Horror 10, edited by Stephen Jones (Carroll and Graf) The Last Continent: New Tales of Zothique, edited by John Pelan (ShadowLands Press) 999: New Stories of Horror and Suspense edited by Al Sarrantonio (Avon)*** NONFICTION DarkEcho, (all 1999 issues) edited by Paula Guran *** The Essential Monster Movie Guide, Stephen Jones (Titan) Vincent Price: A Daughter's Biography by Victoria Price (St. Martin's) Hellnotes, (all 1999 issues) edited by David B. Silva & Paul F. 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