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The following message was posted on another list I am on. The
poster is rather sceptical with respect to sf but perhaps there are,
nonetheless, appropriate science fiction novels out there that
encourage female teenagers to take an interest in science. I
cannot say as I am not familiar with young adult novels at all.

Petra

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>>Greetings -- I am writing to this list with a request for help.  A
>colleague and
>>I are doing research on the topic of women, science, and young adult
>literature.
>>We are attempting to locate Young Adult novels that depict heroines with
>an interest in
>>science.  So far we have met with limited success for fiction.  There are
>a lot
>>of good non-fiction books out there about female scientists, but, unless
>we're
>>missing the obvious, fictional female characters still aren't interested in
>>science.   Some of the books we have discovered are A Wrinkle in Time
>(L'Engle),
>>the Magic School Bus series (Cole and Degen), Who Will Speak for the Lamb?
>>(Ames), The Summer I Shrunk My Grandmother (Woodruff), My Sister, My Science
>>Report (Bechard), The Fire Bug Connection (George), The Midwife's Apprentice
>>(Cushman), and Weather Eye (Howarth).  We are not really looking at "science
>>fiction" because so much of it seems more fantasy than science.
>>
>>Any recommendations you might have of novels written for young readers that
>>portray women in relation to science would be most appreciated.  Thanks
>for your
>>consideration.
>>
>>Eva Stowers
>>Science Reference Librarian
>>University of Nevada, Las Vegas
>>estowers@ccmail.nevada.edu
>>
>>
>
Alice J. Dan, PhD
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www.uic.edu/orgs/womenshealth/

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i am working on hypermail archives for the feministsf lists.  (it's not as
easy as it should be because my log files are somewhat dirty, and because
the machine i'm running them on is having some kind of weird memory leak.)
but -- i hope the hypermail files will be a distinct improvement over what
we have had.  listserve archives linked from the feministsf web site
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or go directly there:
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let me know what you think (off-list) ....

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A while back someone on the list mentioned that in June PBS would be broadcasting The Lathe of Heaven across the country.  I haven't been able to find out when it might air in Madison, Wisconsin.  Living in Germany, I'm kind of out of the loop, but I wanted my mother to tape this for me :-). Can anyone help?
Thanks
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I don't know when the movie is broadcasted, but in the current
Science Fiction Weekly issue there is an interesting interview with
the co-director/co-producer and a review of the original book. I
thought that might be of interest. See
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue162/interview.html
 and
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue162/classic.html

Petra

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Public television (PBS and independent public stations, of which there are a
few) stations can begin broadcasting this film package starting 1 June.
Keep watching the listings!

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I don't know when the movie is broadcasted, but in the current
Science Fiction Weekly issue there is an interesting interview with
the co-director/co-producer and a review of the original book. I
thought that might be of interest. See
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue162/interview.html
 and
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue162/classic.html

Petra

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http://www.vilas.uwex.edu/ is the homepage for WHA television, radio, and
other Wisconsin public broadcasting activities.  They should be able to tell
you, as the July schedule is not handy to me for that station.

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From: Diane Severson [mailto:dianeseverson@ivillage.com]

A while back someone on the list mentioned that in June PBS would be
broadcasting The Lathe of Heaven across the country.  I haven't been able to
find out when it might air in Madison, Wisconsin.  Living in Germany, I'm
kind of out of the loop, but I wanted my mother to tape this for me :-). Can
anyone help?
Thanks
Diane

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Thanks Petra and Todd for your help.  I didn't find out anything specifically yet but maybe this will help.
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> From: Diane Severson [mailto:dianeseverson@ivillage.com]
>
> A while back someone on the list mentioned that in June PBS would be
> broadcasting The Lathe of Heaven across the country.  I haven't been able to
> find out when it might air in Madison, Wisconsin.  Living in Germany, I'm
> kind of out of the loop, but I wanted my mother to tape this for me :-). Can
> anyone help?
> Thanks
> Diane

According to another list I'm on, this is the current broadcast
schedule:

LATHE OF HEAVEN AIRDATES
(Thanks to Lee Whiteside)

Coming Soon: THE LATHE OF
HEAVEN on PBS A schedule of airings around the
country--mark your calendar!


As has been reported previously, the TV
movie of The Lathe of Heaven is being
made available to PBS stations for special
20th anniversary screenings in June.
These broadcasts will include an interview
with the author of the original novel on
which the movie is based, Ursula K.
LeGuin, conducted by Bill Moyers.

Here`s a list of stations schedule to air air the program:

KCOS/El Paso, TX June 7 9 p.m.

KCTS/Seattle June 4 8 p.m.

KERA/Dallas June 24 or 25

KNME/Albaq. NM June 3 10 p.m.

Maryland PTV June 3 10:30 p.m.

Nebraska PTV June 10 8:30 p.m.

Oregon PTV June 21st

Vermont PTV June 3

Mountain Lake PBS June 3 9 p.m. (same market as Vermont)

WEDU/Tampa, FL June 14th 10 p.m.

WHYY/Philadelphia Early June

WMHT/Schnectady June 6 9 p.m.

WNET/New York June 3 8 & 10:30 p.m.

WPBT/Miami June 10 11 p.m.

WQLN/Erie, PA June 10 10:30 p.m.

WSBE/Providence, RI June 4 8:30 p.m.

WSRE/Pensacola, FL June 4 9 p.m.

 WUFT/Gainesville, FL June 2 10:30 p.m.

The movie will be made available on VHS video and DVD (and will
likely be a pledge premium).

The movie will not be on the national feed available via satellite
and on Direct TV and The Dish Network. This is because the movie
is not being distributed by PBS, but by a distributor for WNET. The
satellite outlets only carry programs handled directly by PBS. This
distribution arrangement is also why a lot of stations are not
carrying it. According to one station, the movie is only available as
part of a package from the distributor, and they don`t want the
rest of the package and thus will not be carrying it.

_______________________________
Deb Stone
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At 11:12 AM 5/25/00 EDT, Juno Gregory <JuGreer@AOL.COM> wrote:
>I wonder how many of the readers here saw the article at Salon.com about the
>uses fans are making of the ideas in that infamous ANTI-feminist series,
>"Gor"? In the series, as the blurb for the article says, "men are Men and
>women are slaves," and these people are not just setting up IRC channels to
>play at being Goreans, but some of them are taking it into real life.
>
>Here's the link/URL for the piece: <A
>HREF="http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2000/05/18/gor/index.html">"Chain
>Gang"</A>
>
>Feminist backlash lives.
>

Two very small nits:

'Gor' is old enough to be routine perversion, rather than "feminist
backlash"; and it's old enough in fandom likewise.  Twenty years ago,
Worldcon had a 'Gor party  B.Y.O.S.[lave]'.


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At 11:29 AM 5/29/00, Petra Mayerhofer <mayerhof@USF.UNI-KASSEL.DE> forwarded:

>>>Greetings -- I am writing to this list with a request for help.  A
>>colleague and
>>>I are doing research on the topic of women, science, and young adult
>>literature.
>>>We are attempting to locate Young Adult novels that depict heroines with
>>an interest in
>>>science.  So far we have met with limited success for fiction.

Please look at some of the Heinlein juveniles.  They share the misfortunes
of being written for a 50's Boys Life [the American Boy Scout magazine]
audience, but while the protagonists are male, there are some of the female
characters you are looking for.

My best guess is that _Have Space Suit Will Travel_ was the first Heinlein
I read.  I was nine or ten.  The girl there is one of the characters you're
looking for.

Not too long ago, I reread _Citizen of the Galaxy_, and was very pleasantly
surprised and quite impressed.  While the didactic checklist showed through
a little to my adult eyes, the points made were all admirable, and made well.
There is a loud implicit argument against sexism: the adolescent
protagonist has picaresque (sp?) adventures through various strata and
cultures of galactic society, enjoying his time with matriarchal space
traders; later, when a plutocrat scoffs at the possibility that women could
handle major, intricate responsibilites, he simply looks like a buffoon.
Especially since it's his own daughter who pulls our hero's chestnuts out
of the fire with her own knowledge, shrewdness, pluck and brains.


I'm just back from a long, wonderful, tiring weekend, and will post other
suggestions as they come to me.


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Dear Petra:
You might suggest that Eva check out the work of Monica Hughes whose
children's fiction is renowned.

Two of Hughes' novels I think may suit her research purposes are _The Keeper
of the Isis Light_, which is recommended reading for grade eight students
and _The Tomorrow City_, which I believe is typically presented to grade
sixes.

I love _The Keeper_ and enjoyed sharing it with one of my classes years ago.
While the young female heroine is not a scientist per se, she is "the keeper
of the Isis light" (a futuristic light-keeper) responsible for maintaining a
signal on a remote planet and rendering assistance to space travellers in
distress.

The story centers around some painful discoveries: that her beloved
"Guardian" is a robot and that he has altered her chemistry and appearance,
making her reptilian, so she can comfortably inhabit the non-terran planet.
Sixteen-year-old Olwen discovers what it means to be considered different
and to be shunned when a group of settlers arrive from the over-crowded,
over-worked Earth her parents originated from.  She also experiences the
joys and pain of her first love lost and is valorized for rescuing a young
boy who gets lost and is in serious danger.

I have read the short story version of "The Tomorrow City" which is in a
grade eight textbook of early eighties vintage called _Contexts Anthology
II_.  In it Caroline and her friend David save their city from a computer
that has taken on a malicious mind-set of it's own.  I would be happy to fax
a copy of this to you.

Hope this was of help,
Angela
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>From: Petra Mayerhofer <mayerhof@USF.UNI-KASSEL.DE>
>To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU
>Subject: [*FSFFU*] Women, science, and young adult fiction
>Date: Mon, May 29, 2000, 11:29 AM
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>The following message was posted on another list I am on. The
>poster is rather sceptical with respect to sf but perhaps there are,
>nonetheless, appropriate science fiction novels out there that
>encourage female teenagers to take an interest in science. I
>cannot say as I am not familiar with young adult novels at all.
>
>Petra
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>>Please Post for Eva Stowers:
>>
>>>Greetings -- I am writing to this list with a request for help.  A
>>colleague and
>>>I are doing research on the topic of women, science, and young adult
>>literature.
>>>We are attempting to locate Young Adult novels that depict heroines with
>>an interest in
>>>science.  So far we have met with limited success for fiction.  There are
>>a lot
>>>of good non-fiction books out there about female scientists, but, unless
>>we're
>>>missing the obvious, fictional female characters still aren't interested in
>>>science.   Some of the books we have discovered are A Wrinkle in Time
>>(L'Engle),
>>>the Magic School Bus series (Cole and Degen), Who Will Speak for the Lamb?
>>>(Ames), The Summer I Shrunk My Grandmother (Woodruff), My Sister, My Science
>>>Report (Bechard), The Fire Bug Connection (George), The Midwife's Apprentice
>>>(Cushman), and Weather Eye (Howarth).  We are not really looking at "science
>>>fiction" because so much of it seems more fantasy than science.
>>>
>>>Any recommendations you might have of novels written for young readers that
>>>portray women in relation to science would be most appreciated.  Thanks
>>for your
>>>consideration.
>>>
>>>Eva Stowers
>>>Science Reference Librarian
>>>University of Nevada, Las Vegas
>>>estowers@ccmail.nevada.edu
>>>
>>>
>>
>Alice J. Dan, PhD
>Professor, College of Nursing
>Director, UIC's National Center of Excellence in Women's Health
>
>www.uic.edu/orgs/womenshealth/
>
>Director, Center for Research on Women and Gender
>
>www.uic.edu/depts/crwg/
>1640 W. Roosevelt Road, #503, m/c 980
>Chicago, IL 60608
>312-413-1924; fax: 312-413-7423
>alicedan@uic.edu
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Date:         Wed, 31 May 2000 02:06:04 -0700
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Hello Petra,

Gwyneth Jones, a British science fiction author,
has also written science fiction and fantasy
stories intended for young adults, the
protagonists are very often girls. She has
collected some awards for these stories.
I read a couple of them and I can recommend them
- they are very imaginative, exciting, with the
right blend of the inexplicable and questioning
scepticism.
She wrote them under a pseudonym, and as soon as
I  have unpacked my stuff (we've just moved back
to Norway), I'll give you the name.

Stefanie

> At 11:29 AM 5/29/00, Petra Mayerhofer
> <mayerhof@USF.UNI-KASSEL.DE> forwarded:
>
> >>>Greetings -- I am writing to this list with
> a request for help.  A
> >>colleague and
> >>>I are doing research on the topic of women,
> science, and young adult
> >>literature.
> >>>We are attempting to locate Young Adult
> novels that depict heroines with
> >>an interest in
> >>>science.  So far we have met with limited
> success for fiction.
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        I'd like to suggest THE GIRL WHO OWNED A CITY, an after-the-blast
YA novel of how a kid - a girl - gets civilization going again by small
steps. I forget the author.

Patricia (Pat) Mathews
mathews@unm.edu

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David Brin is kindly offering, below, to answer questions from readers about
GLORY SEASON or science behind it.  Just passing this on.

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>Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:04:45 -0700
>To: Laura Quilter <lquilter@exploratorium.edu>
>From: "d.brin" <brin@cts.com>
>Subject: Re: your post - was [*FSF-L*] [Fwd: post for me?] (fwd)

[deletia]

>PS.  As you may know, I wrote a novel of my own in the feminist-sf
>subgenre, a thought-experiment called Glory Season, in which I earnestly
>tried to come up with a credible scenario for altering gender relations
>gently but permanently toward the pastoralist prescription that seems
>prevalent nowadays.  After it was published, I expected comment and
>discussion from those interested in gender SF.  I've enjoyed lively
>followup give-and-take when I spent time in other topic areas, e.g.
>dolphins, evolution, space, infowar, immortality, psychohistory, whatever.
>But this time, for reasons I still don't fathom, the silence was near total.
>
>So, without taking on yet another time-consuming list (I have 3 kids who
>run me ragged!) I'd nevertheless be available if ever your members wanted
>to give open and honest opinions or critiques -- or ask open/honest
>questions -- about any aspect of GS, including the science involved.
>
>Again, thanks for your courtesy & I hope some people at the Museum are
>interested in participating in the WOW contest!
>
>DB


Laura Quilter
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It's by O.T. Nelson  (Oddly enough, it's one of the few children's
books I have left on my shelves)  It's a story about when all humans
over 12 are killed by a plague and the main character figures out how
organize and help others survive.

Pat wrote:
>
>         I'd like to suggest THE GIRL WHO OWNED A CITY, an after-the-blast
> YA novel of how a kid - a girl - gets civilization going again by small
> steps. I forget the author.
>
> Patricia (Pat) Mathews
> mathews@unm.edu
>
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Am so happy to see everyone suggesting young adult titles...about a month
ago I wanted to look up the Delacorte first YA novel contest to see if they
were still running it, so for search words I put in Delacorte and young
adult, along with the reference urls to works published by this company were
hundreds of porn urls, sigh.  Was very discouraging at the time.

Jo Ann
who has to think about 6 times over what she puts into a search engine
nowadays, sigh.
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> It's by O.T. Nelson  (Oddly enough, it's one of the few children's
> books I have left on my shelves)  It's a story about when all humans
> over 12 are killed by a plague and the main character figures out how
> organize and help others survive.
>
> Pat wrote:
> >
> >         I'd like to suggest THE GIRL WHO OWNED A CITY, an
after-the-blast
> > YA novel of how a kid - a girl - gets civilization going again by small
> > steps. I forget the author.
> >
> > Patricia (Pat) Mathews
> > mathews@unm.edu
> >
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