From LISTSERV@listserv.uic.edu Fri Jan 26 13:39:04 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:58:53 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Quilter Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0006C" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:34:57 EDT Reply-To: ma46@drexel.edu Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Marietta Angelotti Subject: Re: Dangerous Visions & Harlan bashing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I just wanted to agree that reading stories like those of Ellison's meant a lot to me in my early teens too--somehow showing me that the world was indeed more complex and twisted than my own little corner of suburbia would acknowledge. This has made me curious, though, to see what they would mean to me as an adult. >From: Dianne Kraft <103234.3341@COMPUSERVE.COM> >Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" > >To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU >Subject: [*FSFFU*] Dangerous Visions & Harlan bashing >Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:13:09 -0400 > >delurking here; > > I don't think it's easy to imagine how powerful both Ellison's early >books (e.g., I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream) and Dangerous Visions were >to those of us who were in our teens and early 20's when they came out. >Having been an sf fan since the age of 8 (when my father gave me all the >Edgar Rice Burroughs' Tarzan and Mars books), Ellison was like a cold crisp >wind bringing change and delight to me when I first encountered him (I >guess I was about 12 or 13). >And Dangerous Visions may seem dated now, but it sure didn't when it came >out. But that's been a while, now hasn't it? > >I need to say one more thing; as a friend, Harlan can be a pretty wonderful >guy, and while it is much more fashionable to bash him and remember the >more negative/flashy side, I just want to say that's not all there is. >Aren't we all sometimes right and sometimes wrong, and which is which is in >the eye of the beholder? > >Dianne Kraft > >-------------------------------------------------- >This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:12:36 0100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: German SF conference on feminist SF (among others) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For the information of German-speaking list members: there will be a SF conference in Bremen in December titled "Out of this world! - Science-Fiction, Politik, Utopie -" and organized by the redaction group of alaska. The announcement can be found at http://www.fortunecity.de/tatooine/metropolis/100/verschiedenes/out -of-this-world.html The conference has three main topics: - feminist SF and utopias, - social science, politics and SF, - pop culture and society; It is aimed at 'normal people' and not academics. Nonetheless, I call it a conference and not a SF-Con because it is NOT organized from inside the 'SF scene' or from active SF fans. And it does not offer any 'fannish' activities. I suppose I will receive some emails now pointing out SF-Cons that can be described similarly ;-). Petra Petra Mayerhofer mailto:mayerhofer@usf.uni-kassel.de -- BDG website http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/ -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:26:41 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: Re: Dangerous Visions & Harlan bashing: Angelotti after Kraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One of the interesting things about DANGEROUS VISIONS, at least, is that a lot of the same kind of material was already being published in such magazines as GALAXY, IF, WORLDS OF TOMORROW, F&SF, admixed in the last new material in FANTASTIC and AMAZING as their new publisher ran through the old publisher's inventory, and of course in SF IMPULSE (formerly SCIENCE FANTASY) and NEW WORLDS in the UK...as well as in Damon Knight's ORBIT series of original anthologies, Judith Merril's best of the year and at least to some extent Donald Wollheim and Terry Carr's boty annual (with Harry Harrison's even more all-adventurous boty annual just around the corner)...but that DV was an attempt to gather all-disturbing (if possible) stories in one place with no dilution by other kinds of speculative fiction. That, and Ellison's excellent sales technique, helped sell DV harder than these other items, without the book being on average better than some of the above-listed items. No one was writing quite like him, though some came close (Allen Kim Lang is one of the forgotten who did on occasion). -----Original Message----- From: Marietta Angelotti [mailto:mariettaangelotti@HOTMAIL.COM] I just wanted to agree that reading stories like those of Ellison's meant a lot to me in my early teens too--somehow showing me that the world was indeed more complex and twisted than my own little corner of suburbia would acknowledge. This has made me curious, though, to see what they would mean to me as an adult. >From: Dianne Kraft <103234.3341@COMPUSERVE.COM> >Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" > >To: FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU >Subject: [*FSFFU*] Dangerous Visions & Harlan bashing >Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:13:09 -0400 > >delurking here; > > I don't think it's easy to imagine how powerful both Ellison's early >books (e.g., I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream) and Dangerous Visions were >to those of us who were in our teens and early 20's when they came out. >Having been an sf fan since the age of 8 (when my father gave me all the >Edgar Rice Burroughs' Tarzan and Mars books), Ellison was like a cold crisp >wind bringing change and delight to me when I first encountered him (I >guess I was about 12 or 13). >And Dangerous Visions may seem dated now, but it sure didn't when it came >out. But that's been a while, now hasn't it? > >I need to say one more thing; as a friend, Harlan can be a pretty wonderful >guy, and while it is much more fashionable to bash him and remember the >more negative/flashy side, I just want to say that's not all there is. >Aren't we all sometimes right and sometimes wrong, and which is which is in >the eye of the beholder? > >Dianne Kraft -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems.