From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 15:52:10 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:02 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0104A" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:45:18 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: ideas? Comments: To: IsaacL , Science Fiction and Fantasy Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, gang: Our book discussion group tries to discuss four books over a couple of months with common themes reflective of our four genres: SF, mystery, Fantasy and Horror/Suspense. We want to do books with archaeology, but are coming up kinda stumped on the Fantasy title. Plenty of SF time travel etc. available, but what about a book where someone digs up a faerie skeleton or some such? Suggested titles should be in print and readily available in the US, BTW. All help greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance, Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:14:30 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Kirsten Hoyte Subject: Re: ideas? In-Reply-To: <3AC89E8E.838924D2@mystgalaxy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FEMINISTSF@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU writes: >Hey, gang: > >Our book discussion group tries to discuss four books over a couple of >months with common themes reflective of our four genres: SF, mystery, >Fantasy and Horror/Suspense. We want to do books with archaeology, but >are coming up kinda stumped on the Fantasy title. Plenty of SF time >travel etc. available, but what about a book where someone digs up a >faerie skeleton or some such? Suggested titles should be in print and >readily available in the US, BTW. > >All help greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance, > >Maryelizabeth I think that Pat Murphy has a novel about an archealogical dig. The Falling Woman? I would probably consider it fantasy because of the magic thogh I'm never sure about these categories. I also think the Plague Years by Ann Benson has some elements of archeaology although it is definitely science fiction. The protagonist is a surgeon retraining to be a forensic archealogist. Kirsten -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 07:55:12 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Debbie Notkin Subject: Re: ideas? In-Reply-To: <3AC89E8E.838924D2@mystgalaxy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:45 AM 4/2/2001 -0700, Maryelizabeth Hart wrote: >Hey, gang: > >Our book discussion group tries to discuss four books over a couple of >months with common themes reflective of our four genres: SF, mystery, >Fantasy and Horror/Suspense. We want to do books with archaeology, but >are coming up kinda stumped on the Fantasy title. Plenty of SF time >travel etc. available, but what about a book where someone digs up a >faerie skeleton or some such? Suggested titles should be in print and >readily available in the US, BTW. I'd call Pat Murphy's THE FALLING WOMAN fantasy rather than SF, and it's certainly archaeology. -- "One should be able to see that things are hopeless and yet be determined to make them otherwise." -- William Faulkner Debbie Notkin / kith@slip.net -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:16:25 GMT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Lesley Hall Subject: Re: ideas? Gil in Barbara Hambly's Darwath novels uses a combination of archaeological and other historical evidence to interpret the past history of the society she finds herself translocated to, and its relation to The Dark. Lesley Hall lesleyah@primex.co.uk -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:18:06 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Chris Shaffer Subject: Re: ideas? In-Reply-To: <3AC89E8E.838924D2@mystgalaxy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 4/2/2001 10:45 AM, you wrote: >Hey, gang: > >Our book discussion group tries to discuss four books over a couple of >months with common themes reflective of our four genres: SF, mystery, >Fantasy and Horror/Suspense. We want to do books with archaeology, but >are coming up kinda stumped on the Fantasy title. Plenty of SF time >travel etc. available, but what about a book where someone digs up a >faerie skeleton or some such? Suggested titles should be in print and >readily available in the US, BTW. > >All help greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance, > >Maryelizabeth Orson Scott Card's "Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus" has a mix of time travel and archaeology, though it's slanted more towards the time travel aspects. The characters use 'time viewing' devices to conduct archaeological research. It's quite good, and while not explicitly feminist, the main character is a female scientist. ----- "The universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper." --Eden Phillpots Chris Shaffer http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ chris@bsinc.net AIM:ChrisShaff -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:24:51 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: James Cherney Subject: Short Story Query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_D98226E4.96F78C18" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_D98226E4.96F78C18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies in advance for such a mundane message, but I've exhausted every = other avenue I can think of and come up blank. =20 = =20 Does anyone know the title and other information for the fictional short = story featuring a woman who has extraordinary swimming ability because of = her "webbed" appendages? She swims in competition and a rival team tries = to discredit her by entering an animal (I think it's a dolphin) to swim = against her. It's been a while, but I believe the story ultimately = involves a "trial" to determine whether she's human. If memory serves, it appeared in a collection of SF stories (maybe a = collection of the "Best of" Analog or something?) but this may be = incorrect. I also appreciate any suggestions anyone has of things I might try to do = to track this down! Please send replies directly to me rather than the whole listserv. If = you'd like to know the answer, send me a note and I'll forward it when I = find out! Jim Cherney Communication Studies, Theatre and Art Westminster College New Wilmington, PA 16172 chernejl@westminster.edu --=_D98226E4.96F78C18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
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Westminster College
New Wilmington, PA  16172
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--=_D98226E4.96F78C18-- -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:48:52 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon-Gould" Subject: Re: Short Story Query In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3069049732_355934_MIME_Part" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3069049732_355934_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 4/2/01 9:24 AM, James Cherney at chernejl@WESTMINSTER.EDU wrote: Apologies in advance for such a mundane message, but I've exhausted every other avenue I can think of and come up blank. Does anyone know the title and other information for the fictional short story featuring a woman who has extraordinary swimming ability because of her "webbed" appendages? She swims in competition and a rival team tries to discredit her by entering an animal (I think it's a dolphin) to swim against her. It's been a while, but I believe the story ultimately involves a "trial" to determine whether she's human. If memory serves, it appeared in a collection of SF stories (maybe a collection of the "Best of" Analog or something?) but this may be incorrect. I also appreciate any suggestions anyone has of things I might try to do to track this down! Please send replies directly to me rather than the whole listserv. If you'd like to know the answer, send me a note and I'll forward it when I find out! Jim Cherney Communication Studies, Theatre and Art Westminster College New Wilmington, PA 16172 chernejl@westminster.edu Vonda McIntyre did something like this - don't know the story's name, but I'm pretty sure that's what you're talking about. -l. -- Laura J. Mixon * ljm@digitalnoir.com * www.digitalnoir.com --MS_Mac_OE_3069049732_355934_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [*FSFFU*] Short Story Query on 4/2/01 9:24 AM, James Cherney at chernejl@WESTMINSTER.EDU wrote:

Apologies in advance for such a mundane message, but I've exhau= sted every other avenue I can think of and come up blank.    =  
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Does anyone know the title and other information for the fictional short st= ory featuring a woman who has extraordinary swimming ability because of her = "webbed" appendages?  She swims in competition and a rival te= am tries to discredit her by entering an animal (I think it's a dolphin) to = swim against her.  It's been a while, but I believe the story ultimatel= y involves a "trial" to determine whether she's human.

If memory serves, it appeared in a collection of SF stories (maybe a collec= tion of the "Best of" Analog or something?) but this may be incorr= ect.

I also appreciate any suggestions anyone has of things I might try to do to= track this down!

Please send replies directly to me rather than the whole listserv.  If= you'd like to know the answer, send me a note and I'll forward it when I fi= nd out!

Jim Cherney
Communication Studies, Theatre and Art
Westminster College
New Wilmington, PA  16172
chernejl@westminster.edu


Vonda McIntyre did something like this - don't know the story'= s name, but I'm pretty sure that's what you're talking about.



-l.
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Laura J. Mixon      *  ljm@digitalnoir.com &n= bsp;    *  www.digitalnoir.com
--MS_Mac_OE_3069049732_355934_MIME_Part-- -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:17:47 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Chris Shaffer Subject: Beat Back "Wife-Beaters" Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Beat Back "Wife-Beaters" > >Dads and Daughters is joining other groups to condemn a website selling >tank-top undershirts embroidered with the words "Wife Beater." They sell >infant shirts reading "Little Wife Beater" and give this special offer >(we're not making this up): "I am a convicted wife beater. Please send me >a second beater [shirt] at half price. *Note: You must enclose proof of >conviction, court records, restraining order, probation officer's >phone#,... photos are NOT acceptable." > >The rest of this site is just as bad, with the theme song "Smack My Bitch >Up" and an abusers hall of "fame." The shirts are sold in retail stores, >as well. At first we thought this must be a feeble attempt at humor, but >the seller indicates there is no irony at work. > >Please call this business at 800-886-2653, email bruised@wife-beaters.com >or write 3619 Merrell Rd., Dallas, TX 75229 to demand a stop. Besides >trivializing and minimizing the horrible impact of domestic violence >(especially on children), this business insults every man who wears >tank-top undershirts. Thanks to the Feminist Faxnet for bringing this to >our attention. > >See DADs' letter at http://www.dadsanddaughters.org/Actions/wife%20beater.htm >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >Dads and Daughters, the national membership nonprofit, provides tools to >strengthen father-daughter relationships and to transform pervasive >messages that value girls more for how they look than who they are. To get >this Update or to stop getting it, email info@dadsanddaughters.org > >DADs: PO Box 3458, Duluth, MN 55803. 888-824-3237. DADs is a registered >Minnesota and IRS 501(c)3 nonprofit. Update copyright 2001. Please >reprint, but always acknowledge the source and list website: >www.dadsanddaughters.org. Thanks. This is Child Abuse Prevention Month! ----- "Therefore, as logical metaphysics teaches that man contains all things by understanding them (Homo Intelligendo Fit Omnia), this poetic metaphysics reveals that man contains all things by not understanding them (Homo Non Intelligendo Fit Omnia)." --Giambattista Vico Chris Shaffer http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ chris@bsinc.net AIM:ChrisShaff -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:17:07 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: Re: Beat Back "Wife-Beaters" (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I sent this message on to a couple of activist friends, and here's the answer one gave me. :))) Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:38:54 -0700 From: Jean Lamb To: 'Pat' Subject: RE: [*FSFFU*] Beat Back "Wife-Beaters" (fwd) Better yet, send it to the Darwin Award people--if anybody's dumb enough to buy and wear these shirts, they stand little chance of reproducing. Most wifebeaters depend on being able to turn on the charm to make women overlook their other flaws--very few women get involved with these guys knowing what they're getting into. If men are truly dumb enough to wear these shirts and don't care what people think of them, they will have to do a LOT of explaining to any future wives to be. And there's got to be some way of getting ahold of their customer list, and targeting some messages especially for them... Jean -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:22:49 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Michael J. Lowrey" Organization: The Working Class Subject: Re: Beat Back "Wife-Beaters" (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to add that calling or writing these scum to protest what they're doing, is the equivalent of calling the KKK to protest that their stances are racist and anti-semitic. They are undoubtedly delighted to hear from outraged feminists. It only encourages them. -- Michael J. Lowrey, Office Manager Cultures and Communities Program Curtin Hall 284 University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee P.O. Box 413 Milwaukee, WI 53201-0413 414.229.5960 -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:30:53 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: Beat Back "Wife-Beaters" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is so appalling! To think this could even exist in this country after all the struggles the Feminist movement has gone through! Seems there's a lot of work left to do! Follow Through time! Amy in NYC. > >Beat Back "Wife-Beaters" > > > >Dads and Daughters is joining other groups to condemn a website selling > >tank-top undershirts embroidered with the words "Wife Beater." They sell > >infant shirts reading "Little Wife Beater" and give this special offer > >(we're not making this up): "I am a convicted wife beater. Please send me > >a second beater [shirt] at half price. *Note: You must enclose proof of > >conviction, court records, restraining order, probation officer's > >phone#,... photos are NOT acceptable." > > > >The rest of this site is just as bad, with the theme song "Smack My Bitch > >Up" and an abusers hall of "fame." The shirts are sold in retail stores, > >as well. At first we thought this must be a feeble attempt at humor, but > >the seller indicates there is no irony at work. > > > >Please call this business at 800-886-2653, email bruised@wife-beaters.com > >or write 3619 Merrell Rd., Dallas, TX 75229 to demand a stop. Besides > >trivializing and minimizing the horrible impact of domestic violence > >(especially on children), this business insults every man who wears > >tank-top undershirts. Thanks to the Feminist Faxnet for bringing this to > >our attention. > > > >See DADs' letter at http://www.dadsanddaughters.org/Actions/wife%20beater.htm > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Dads and Daughters, the national membership nonprofit, provides tools to > >strengthen father-daughter relationships and to transform pervasive > >messages that value girls more for how they look than who they are. To get > >this Update or to stop getting it, email info@dadsanddaughters.org > > > >DADs: PO Box 3458, Duluth, MN 55803. 888-824-3237. DADs is a registered > >Minnesota and IRS 501(c)3 nonprofit. Update copyright 2001. Please > >reprint, but always acknowledge the source and list website: > >www.dadsanddaughters.org. Thanks. This is Child Abuse Prevention Month! > > > ----- > "Therefore, as logical metaphysics teaches that man contains > all things by understanding them (Homo Intelligendo Fit > Omnia), this poetic metaphysics reveals that man contains > all things by not understanding them (Homo Non Intelligendo > Fit Omnia)." --Giambattista Vico > Chris Shaffer http://www.uic.edu/~shaffer/ > chris@bsinc.net AIM:ChrisShaff > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:13:31 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: store book discussion ideas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FALLING WOMAN is a great suggestion. I like the Hambly suggestion as well, but we have read both her SF and her mystery novels in the past, and I would rather try someone who hasn't already had multiple "turns." The Card story and others involving time travel feel more like "science" fiction than fantasy to me, and we have that category covered. Thanks for all the thoughts! Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:29:03 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: THE LATHE OF HEAVEN telefilmed again Comments: To: "sciencefiction-l@listserv.indiana.edu" , SF-LIT@sun8.loc.gov, "isaacl@yahoogroups.com" Comments: cc: Brian Arnold MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wouldn't do to actually do some Other Le Guin book or story, much less a Leiber or a Rachel Pollack or something. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Arnold (courtesy the PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER) > ... James Caan (The Godfather) and Lukas Haas (Witness) will star in A&E's > remake of The Lathe of Heaven, based on the novel by science fiction > author Ursula K. LeGuin and directed by Philip Haas (Angels and Insects). > Lukas Haas will play George Orr, a young man who can alter reality through > his dreams, who seeks the help of a psychiatrist (Caan). Lisa Bonet (The > Cosby Show) plays George's attorney and friend. . . > -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:27:07 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Helen Thompson Subject: Diana Wynne Jones/ research query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Between SFF net and here, I've seen numerous times the notion posited that Jones' books are better than the Rowling series, as good as the Rowling series is. As a result, I've decided to do a paper for my children's lit class on just why that is. This is just an undergrad class that i'm taking for fun, but I imagine that if i put a healthy effort into it that it might be a valuable paper. I'm also a journalist, and wouldn't mind pitching the resultant paper to a possible market. I want to combine a journalistic and a critical approach, and yield 10-15 pages. I'm not sure if there are any critical essays already extant on Jones and I don't want to examine Rowling independent of the Jones work. Basically, I know I'm due for an afternoon in the library this weekend (paper is due in May), but so many of you at different times have brought up the comparison that I am (a) interested in culling the archives of this list for support of my thesis, which should be more cohesive by the weekend and (b) interested in interviewing anyone, particularly authors, teachers and booksellers, who'd like to share their feelings on the merits and lack thereof of either author with respect to commerical vs. critical success and/or the strength of feminine characters. I don't want to get started in just yet, as I still have some reading to do, but i did want to give a heads up and see if anyone would be interested. If so, please contact me offlist. thanks! helen -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:55:29 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: ideas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/2001 11:46:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, publicity@MYSTGALAXY.COM writes: << Our book discussion group tries to discuss four books over a couple of months with common themes reflective of our four genres: SF, mystery, Fantasy and Horror/Suspense. We want to do books with archaeology, but are coming up kinda stumped on the Fantasy title. >> You might try finding some books by Robert Holdstock or Josepha Sherman. Holdstock wrote one call Unknown Reigons. Going on by the back cover it is unclear if it is more SF then fanasty but it does mention discovering an artifact in the ground. (I have it on my shelf but haven't read it yet). Two that touch one archaeology in ways are: The Djinni in the Nightengale's Eye by A.S. Byatt. The book is collection of tales, modern fiary tale retellings. The title story is more the length of a novella. THe plot involes a woman finding a bottle at a bazar in Turkey (?) and discovering that it contions a Djinn. I liked it because she wishes she looked ten years younger (she is close to 50), then her other wishes are more serious. The only connection to archaeology is the brief story how the bottle was found. (So this isnt what you are really looking for) The second is Out of the House of Life by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro. It is a book in her Saint Germain series, and you really do not need to read the other books in the series to understand what is going on. THe plot deals with a vampire on an archaeology dig in EGpyt. Though its list under horror, Yarbro's vampires are not horror. THe horror in her novel usually comes from society and its treatment of outsiders, pagens, and women. Life has a female protagoinist. THe only story I ever read that is simialar to the digging up the fiary skelton example that you mentioned, was a short story about two professors who dig up Sleeping Beauty. I have the story, and can tell you what book it is if you want. Just let me know if you want me to. Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:19:56 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Marianne Reddin Aldrich Subject: Re: ideas? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I would definitely second the Robert Holdstock suggestion. I've read a couple of his books, members of the Mythago Wood series, and I remember the main characters as being heavily into archaeology/physical anthropology.... Of course, every single review I am finding mentions NOTHING about this and all kinds of stuff about myths and dreams and so forth. but I SWEAR there were archaeological elements.... if I had any of them I would back myself up better. Marianne >You might try finding some books by Robert Holdstock or Josepha Sherman. >Holdstock wrote one call Unknown Reigons. Going on by the back cover it is >unclear if it is more SF then fanasty but it does mention discovering an >artifact in the ground. (I have it on my shelf but haven't read it yet). > >Two that touch one archaeology in ways are: > >The Djinni in the Nightengale's Eye by A.S. Byatt. The book is collection >of >tales, modern fiary tale retellings. The title story is more the length of >a >novella. THe plot involes a woman finding a bottle at a bazar in Turkey >(?) >and discovering that it contions a Djinn. I liked it because she wishes >she >looked ten years younger (she is close to 50), then her other wishes are >more serious. The only connection to archaeology is the brief story how >the >bottle was found. (So this isnt what you are really looking for) > >The second is Out of the House of Life by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro. It is a >book >in her Saint Germain series, and you really do not need to read the other >books in the series to understand what is going on. THe plot deals with a >vampire on an archaeology dig in EGpyt. Though its list under horror, >Yarbro's vampires are not horror. THe horror in her novel usually comes >from >society and its treatment of outsiders, pagens, and women. Life has a >female >protagoinist. > >THe only story I ever read that is simialar to the digging up the fiary >skelton example that you mentioned, was a short story about two professors >who dig up Sleeping Beauty. I have the story, and can tell you what book >it >is if you want. Just let me know if you want me to. > >Chris > >-------------------------------------------------- >This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > >Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:58:14 GMT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Lesley Hall Subject: Re: ideas? Don't know whether it should be classified as s-f, fantasy, or alternative history, but there is a fair amount of archaeology in the 'present' sections of _Ash: A Secret History_ Lesley Hall lesleyah@primex.co.uk -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:43:36 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Phoebe Wray Subject: Re: ideas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about Elizabeth Hand's Waking the Moon? The plot twists on archaeology. I see Amazon lists this book as horror, but I think it's really sci fi/speculative. best, phoebe -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:50:21 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Cynthia Organization: Prodigy Internet Subject: Insurance vs sf Having just applied for some health insurance, I note how the many marvels proposed by sf writers are now coming to pass (cars that drive themselves, various medical marvels) but women are apt to be the last to enjoy them due to corporate thinking. In the insurance I applied for, oral contraceptives are not covered, infertility is not covered, and if a woman is pregnant she should not apply. So forget about population reduction, making babies with science's help, making clones, or just about any health issue of a daily concern to women. (The other hmo is just as limited with a bad medical record.) Cynthia -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Marianne >> The main characters tend to be members of a family, all of whose members all of who tend to pick jobs or studies archaelogy or related fields. Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:34:47 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: New book coming out Comments: To: Amazons list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lois McMaster Bujold has a new book coming out this summer called CURSE OF CHALION. Those who have read advance copies or picked up the chapters on the baen website speak very highly of it. I'm a Bujold fan, so I'm biased. Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:56:17 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Bujold book -- different publisher? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Pat: I believe it's Ballantine/Del Rey, not Baen (which is her traditional publisher). Maryelizabeth > Subject: New book coming out > > Lois McMaster Bujold has a new book coming out this summer > called CURSE OF > CHALION. Those who have read advance copies or picked up > the chapters on > the baen website speak very highly of it. I'm a Bujold fan, so I'm > biased. > > Patricia (Pat) Mathews > mathews@unm.edu > -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:17:28 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: oops... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And I misspoke. It's actually Avon/Eos. Maryelizabeth who needed more caffeine this AM Maryelizabeth Hart wrote: > Hi, Pat: > > I believe it's Ballantine/Del Rey, not Baen (which is her traditional > publisher). > > Maryelizabeth > > > Subject: New book coming out > > > > Lois McMaster Bujold has a new book coming out this summer > > called CURSE OF > > CHALION. Those who have read advance copies or picked up > > the chapters on > > the baen website speak very highly of it. I'm a Bujold fan, so I'm > > biased. > > > > Patricia (Pat) Mathews > > mathews@unm.edu > > > -- -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:58:39 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Off Topic: BBC article Ghana witch sues village elders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case anyone's intersted. >From the BBC news site. BBC News | AFRICA | Ghana 'witch' sues village elders . I enclosed the link (news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1263000/1263526.stm) because the page has links to related stories. I An 80-year-old Ghanaian woman has filed a lawsuit against the elders of her village after they branded her a witch. If she wins her case, she could help end a practice which sees dozens of women every year abused and sent into exile. Janet Tibu is seeking damages from 12 men, including the village chief and a church minister. Mrs Tibu was found guilty of casting a spell on a local herb doctor and condemning him to poverty and impotence. The trial was held in a local market place in Peki-Avetile, in the Volta region and broadcast on a public address system. Accuser Giving evidence, the herbalist said there was never any money in his bank account, his crops were ruined by pestilence and patients were no longer coming to see him. He said his son, who had confessed to being a wizard, claimed that Mrs Tibu was responsible. Mrs Tibu was fined $6 (10 times the daily minimum wage), a pot of palm wine, four bottles of gin and two sheep. Also, Mrs Tibu's children, who used to look after her, were banned from seeing her. Mrs Tibu now says that her life has been ruined and her reputation is in tatters. The chief and elders have denied the charges. Accusations of witchcraft have destroyed the lives of many women in Ghana. One local charity has set up a camp in the country's Northern Region where old women accused of being witches now make their home. -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU if there are problems.