From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:02:04 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:06 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0106D" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:32:34 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Anita Blake MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wondering if anyone else has read the series Anita Blake:Vampire Hunter? Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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"Orange Mike" Lowrey Sunrise Book Reviews -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:37:50 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jo Ann Rangel Subject: Re: Anita Blake Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah. Anita's so friggen cool. The author started out working as a journalist then turned to writing novels. I liken them to having your own personal super heroine, grin. Jo Ann When I was born I was so surprised I didn't talk for a year and a half --Gracie Allen -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:04:02 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: Anita Blake Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/22/2001 8:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, orangest@UWM.EDU writes: << Oh, my, yes. Do you want to talk about the religious, teratological, gender, legal or sexual implications? >> Pick one? I'm reading Lunatic Cafe right down. I've already read the first 3 and Burnt Offerings. I agree with Jo Ann that Anita is cool. Its just some aspects of her character strike me as really werid. I''m confused about this no sex with Richard then sex with Jean-Claude and I am hoping that the next two books will explain it. Right? Right?? It just seems to me that at this point she seems more forgiving of Jean-claude then Richard. What I do like is the fact that she takes no prisoners. But why does she seem to have only one female friend? Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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With Jean-Claude you think right away necrophilia but in a twisted way, because ever since we as social beings have been exposed to vampirism as something exotic, or romanticized, because the vampire characters were once human, and their struggle with retaining humanness after they have been changed into the undead is a theme that fascinates, and interests us. With Richard you are dealing with a 'moral' issue of cross polinating species as it were thus to Anita it is more taboo, and this taboo is reflected in the minor characters she interacts with as well, so it seems Hamilton is showing social norms and out of the ordinary norms by this fantasy type of social setting, if that makes sense? Jo Ann -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:42:02 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: Anita Blake Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/22/2001 9:17:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, silkstarlight@SPRINTMAIL.COM writes: << With Richard you are dealing with a 'moral' issue of cross polinating species as it were thus to Anita it is more taboo, and this taboo is reflected in the minor characters she interacts with as well, so it seems Hamilton is showing social norms and out of the ordinary norms by this fantasy type of social setting, if that makes sense? >> That I could deal with. It seems that to me I would not want to sleep with Jean-Claude beacause of all the games he plays. And it seemed to me that she was rather annoyed at these games as well. In addition, what confused me was that she seems upset when Richard acts like an Alpha male but seems far more forgiving of Jean-Claude in those regards. But is nice to read an book in first person with a narrator who seems rather honest. She's not afarid to call herself stupid. Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:07:31 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: John Snead Subject: Re: Anita Blake Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <200106230111.tj8983.2ur.37kbi2i@kendall.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT "Michael J. Lowrey" wrote: > Christine Ethier wrote: > > > > Just wondering if anyone else has read the series Anita > > Blake:Vampire Hunter? > > Oh, my, yes. Do you want to talk about the religious, > teratological, gender, legal or sexual implications? Wonderful books. I was a bit disappointed with Obsidian Butterfly, but the rest were excellent. One feature I particularly like is how Anita changes through the books, becoming more monster-like as she hangs out with monsters, and while she is still troubled by promiscuity in theory, in practice she starts having far less trouble because she is mind-linked to what is essentially an incubus (Jean-Claude). That sort of long-term character development is rare, especially since it seems to involve her both becoming more confident, more powerful and less human in both positive and negative ways. Anyone who is interested might also want to take a look at a book that manages to straddle the link between imitation and pastische in a very interesting fashion: _Dead Until Dark_ by Charlaine Harris, who is clearly writing her protagonist to be both very similar to and ver different from Anita Blake. -John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:20:56 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: Anita Blake Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/23/2001 4:07:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sneadj@MINDSPRING.COM writes: << One feature I particularly like is how Anita changes through the books, becoming more monster-like as she hangs out with monsters, and while she is still troubled by promiscuity in theory, in practice she starts having far less trouble because she is mind-linked to what is essentially an incubus (Jean-Claude). That sort of long-term character development is rare, especially since it seems to involve her both becoming more confident, more powerful and less human in both positive and negative ways. >> That's what was bugging me about her. I did not realize until I finshed Lunatic Cafe and she coldly kills the scum of a deputy. It reminded me of Star Wars and beware the dark side. However, I like Anita alot more then I like Luke. Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:13:08 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Stacey Holbrook Subject: Re: Anita Blake Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <200106230807.EAA14490@blount.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, John Snead wrote: > Wonderful books. It's been a while since I read them. I enjoyed the earlier books best. The last couple of books, the author seemed a bit tired of the characters. Things picked up a bit with Obsidian Butterfly. > I was a bit disappointed with Obsidian Butterfly, but the rest > were excellent. I liked OB better than the two before it. I didn't like the direction the story lines were going, I got tired of the constant unresolved issues between Anita, Richard and Jean-Claud, and I hated the way Anita's character had degenerated toward the end of Blue Moon. I think OB sort of went back to the original adventure/mystery quality of the first few books. There was less of a focus on her sex life which was a relief. > One feature I particularly like is how Anita changes through the > books, becoming more monster-like as she hangs out with monsters, I don't know. I was disappointed. I would have prefered that the character had changed in more positive ways such as learning to accept her powers or resolving her sexual hangups. Instead, she becomes more cold blooded with each book. > and while she is still troubled by promiscuity in theory, in > practice she starts having far less trouble because she is > mind-linked to what is essentially an incubus (Jean-Claude). > That sort of long-term character development is rare, especially > since it seems to involve her both becoming more confident, more > powerful and less human in both positive and negative ways. I sort of agree but I still can't say that I like the direction the character has taken. I'm not really happy with the way Richard and Jean-Claud are going either... But don't get me wrong, I -like- the books. I just have problems with the later ones... > Anyone who is interested might also want to take a look at a book > that manages to straddle the link between imitation and pastische > in a very interesting fashion: _Dead Until Dark_ by Charlaine > Harris, who is clearly writing her protagonist to be both very > similar to and ver different from Anita Blake. I'll look for it. > -John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com Stacey (ausar@netdoor.com) -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 01:21:17 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Jennifer R. J." Subject: Re: Anita Blake Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <16.e514203.28653da2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Chris. So far, I've only read the first two books of the series. I started book three, but wasn't in a vampire mood at the time. I plan to get back to them soon though. So far, I've liked them a lot and I look forward to the character growth of Anita that I've heard so much about. Jennifer At 08:32 PM 6/22/01 -0400, you wrote: >Just wondering if anyone else has read the series Anita Blake:Vampire Hunter? >Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:48:54 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jo Ann Rangel Subject: Has anyone seen this article I could not BELIEVE what I was reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A very well known feminist activist in Egypt is facing an obscure Islamic law to force her to divorce her husband: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20010627/t000052856.html And you hear all the time "we don't need feminists anymore" sheesh. Jo Ann When I was born I was so surprised I didn't talk for a year and a half --Gracie Allen -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:26:02 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: Connie Willis The Passage Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <001701c0ff6c$1c2aed20$06b8b2d1@w95s> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi.... can anyone tell me whether this is any good? Id like to get it for myself and my father, but I really only like sf&f, whereas this seems more paranormal... and my father( huge Willis fan) had his own recent near death epxerience (due to disaease) and I dont think hed want to read anything morbid/ horror. So my question is basically- is it a thriller/ horror in which case no good? -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jo Ann Rangel Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2001 10:49 AM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSFFU*] Has anyone seen this article I could not BELIEVE what I was reading A very well known feminist activist in Egypt is facing an obscure Islamic law to force her to divorce her husband: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20010627/t000052856.html And you hear all the time "we don't need feminists anymore" sheesh. Jo Ann When I was born I was so surprised I didn't talk for a year and a half --Gracie Allen -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Marsha Valance Regional Librarian Wisconsin Regional Library f/t Blind & Physically Handicapped 813 West Wells St. Milwaukee, WI 53233 1.800.242.8822 [in-state] >>> mairen@BIGPOND.COM 06/27/01 12:26PM >>> Hi.... can anyone tell me whether this is any good? Id like to get it for myself and my father, but I really only like sf&f, whereas this seems more paranormal... and my father( huge Willis fan) had his own recent near death epxerience (due to disaease) and I dont think hed want to read anything morbid/ horror. So my question is basically- is it a thriller/ horror in which case no good? -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jo Ann Rangel Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2001 10:49 AM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSFFU*] Has anyone seen this article I could not BELIEVE what I was reading A very well known feminist activist in Egypt is facing an obscure Islamic law to force her to divorce her husband: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20010627/t000052856.html And you hear all the time "we don't need feminists anymore" sheesh. Jo Ann When I was born I was so surprised I didn't talk for a year and a half --Gracie Allen -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:08:37 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: Re: Connie Willis The Passage Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks.... thats good to know. Is it in a similar style to her other works? Maire -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Marsha Valance Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2001 11:15 PM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] Connie Willis The Passage It's not a thriller & not horror. It's the story of a stressed-out scientific researcher trying to determine the truth (any more and I'd spoil it). Marsha Valance Regional Librarian Wisconsin Regional Library f/t Blind & Physically Handicapped 813 West Wells St. Milwaukee, WI 53233 1.800.242.8822 [in-state] >>> mairen@BIGPOND.COM 06/27/01 12:26PM >>> Hi.... can anyone tell me whether this is any good? Id like to get it for myself and my father, but I really only like sf&f, whereas this seems more paranormal... and my father( huge Willis fan) had his own recent near death epxerience (due to disaease) and I dont think hed want to read anything morbid/ horror. So my question is basically- is it a thriller/ horror in which case no good? -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jo Ann Rangel Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2001 10:49 AM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSFFU*] Has anyone seen this article I could not BELIEVE what I was reading A very well known feminist activist in Egypt is facing an obscure Islamic law to force her to divorce her husband: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20010627/t000052856.html And you hear all the time "we don't need feminists anymore" sheesh. Jo Ann When I was born I was so surprised I didn't talk for a year and a half --Gracie Allen -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:27:26 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Marsha Valance Subject: Re: Connie Willis The Passage Comments: To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think all of her works are totally different, but the closest I can come is a cross between BELLWETHER & DOOMSDAY BOOK. I really enjoyed it--bought it in hardcover! MJV >>> mairen@BIGPOND.COM 06/27/01 09:08PM >>> Thanks.... thats good to know. Is it in a similar style to her other works? Maire -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Marsha Valance Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2001 11:15 PM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] Connie Willis The Passage It's not a thriller & not horror. It's the story of a stressed-out scientific researcher trying to determine the truth (any more and I'd spoil it). Marsha Valance Regional Librarian Wisconsin Regional Library f/t Blind & Physically Handicapped 813 West Wells St. Milwaukee, WI 53233 1.800.242.8822 [in-state] >>> mairen@BIGPOND.COM 06/27/01 12:26PM >>> Hi.... can anyone tell me whether this is any good? Id like to get it for myself and my father, but I really only like sf&f, whereas this seems more paranormal... and my father( huge Willis fan) had his own recent near death epxerience (due to disaease) and I dont think hed want to read anything morbid/ horror. So my question is basically- is it a thriller/ horror in which case no good? -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jo Ann Rangel Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2001 10:49 AM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSFFU*] Has anyone seen this article I could not BELIEVE what I was reading A very well known feminist activist in Egypt is facing an obscure Islamic law to force her to divorce her husband: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20010627/t000052856.html And you hear all the time "we don't need feminists anymore" sheesh. Jo Ann When I was born I was so surprised I didn't talk for a year and a half --Gracie Allen -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:20:01 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: Re: Connie Willis The Passage Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh ok.. so you would recomend it then! My dad read Nothing But the Dog and becamse her biggest fan... Which is kind of unusual cause usually he assumes that 'femininst' writers are not his cup of tea and wont be convinced...LOL.... so I dont want to give him an excuse to say 'oh- I knoew it was to good to be true -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Marsha Valance Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2001 11:27 PM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] Connie Willis The Passage I think all of her works are totally different, but the closest I can come is a cross between BELLWETHER & DOOMSDAY BOOK. I really enjoyed it--bought it in hardcover! MJV >>> mairen@BIGPOND.COM 06/27/01 09:08PM >>> Thanks.... thats good to know. Is it in a similar style to her other works? Maire -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Marsha Valance Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2001 11:15 PM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] Connie Willis The Passage It's not a thriller & not horror. It's the story of a stressed-out scientific researcher trying to determine the truth (any more and I'd spoil it). Marsha Valance Regional Librarian Wisconsin Regional Library f/t Blind & Physically Handicapped 813 West Wells St. Milwaukee, WI 53233 1.800.242.8822 [in-state] >>> mairen@BIGPOND.COM 06/27/01 12:26PM >>> Hi.... can anyone tell me whether this is any good? Id like to get it for myself and my father, but I really only like sf&f, whereas this seems more paranormal... and my father( huge Willis fan) had his own recent near death epxerience (due to disaease) and I dont think hed want to read anything morbid/ horror. So my question is basically- is it a thriller/ horror in which case no good? -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jo Ann Rangel Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2001 10:49 AM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSFFU*] Has anyone seen this article I could not BELIEVE what I was reading A very well known feminist activist in Egypt is facing an obscure Islamic law to force her to divorce her husband: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20010627/t000052856.html And you hear all the time "we don't need feminists anymore" sheesh. Jo Ann When I was born I was so surprised I didn't talk for a year and a half --Gracie Allen -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:39:27 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Dianne Kraft Subject: Connie Willis The Passage Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I bought this book in hardcover also, and absolutely loved it. Could not put it down. However, I do think if was something of a thriller, only in that the pacing is so intense and the sense of urgency so complete. I would love to know how someone who has had a near death experience feels about the book, as that is such a central component. Dianne K. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems.