From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:02:08 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:06 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0106E" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:25:54 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jessie Stickgold-Sarah Subject: Connie Willis: PASSAGE I may be the exception, but I was sort of creeped out by the beginning. I liked it very much and I think it's certainly as well-written as her others, but the beginning did read very much like a suspense novel. It's also not nearly as funny as her other books. It's got many of her usual humorous elements: the stupid but very popular pseudo-scientist who interferes with Our Hero's work, the people who never listen to what Our Hero says and act as if she's agreeing, the overblown popular fads. There's one point where a character has suffered, shall we say, a sudden shock, and fifty people bring different ridiculous self-help books. But the subject matter is darker, the funny elements are damped down by that, and the whole feel is more serious than her others. Jessie -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:02:21 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: Re: Connie Willis: PASSAGE Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <200106291325.JAA29129@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm.... well I did actually buy it today- my father likes Kurt Vonnegut etc so I think it is the satirical aspect that grabs him... I will read it mylsef and then decide! It's just that it did seem rather a departure from other of her books in genre, subject, tone.... and I cant help flashing back to that movie with Keifer Sullivan (accuracy ?) about med students giving themselves near-death expereicnes.... Maire -----Original Message----- From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jessie Stickgold-Sarah Sent: Friday, 29 June 2001 11:26 PM To: feministsf@UIC.EDU Subject: [*FSFFU*] Connie Willis: PASSAGE I may be the exception, but I was sort of creeped out by the beginning. I liked it very much and I think it's certainly as well-written as her others, but the beginning did read very much like a suspense novel. It's also not nearly as funny as her other books. It's got many of her usual humorous elements: the stupid but very popular pseudo-scientist who interferes with Our Hero's work, the people who never listen to what Our Hero says and act as if she's agreeing, the overblown popular fads. There's one point where a character has suffered, shall we say, a sudden shock, and fifty people bring different ridiculous self-help books. But the subject matter is darker, the funny elements are damped down by that, and the whole feel is more serious than her others. Jessie -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 03:39:45 +0800 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: earthyfemme Subject: OT: Draulens' Red Queen Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Just happened to find this title at half.com and from the synopsis it looks like Herbert's _White Plague_ in reverse: "In the future, a weapon is created that destroys every man on earth. One man gets away, living his life on the run from the female warriors who want him dead. But the warriors don't realize that by killing him they will put an end to the human race." The editorial review is not glowing: ""Poorly structured as fiction, but a riveting read nonetheless." As translated from the original 1994 Dutch publication, Draulans's hard sf novel explores a future world in which one woman, Diana, genetically engineers a modified smallpox virus that kills men. One fertile, immune man survives to become the only hope of preventing total annihilation of the species. Loaded with lectures on ecology, genetics, and sex and populated with bland characters, this is not an essential purchase." This isn't deterring me from buying it and satisfying my curiosity for myself, but I was wondering if anyone on the list had read this book? Vivian -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://webmail.earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:56:05 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Kristina Solheim Subject: OT: Draulens' Red Queen Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20010629193946.10941.qmail@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:39 AM 6/30/2001 +0800, Vivian wrote: >This isn't deterring me from buying it and satisfying my curiosity for >myself, but I was wondering if anyone on the list had read this book? looking on Amazon.com I found the following review: A depressing, ugly view of a future with passive women, May 5, 1998 Reviewer: Deborah Maloney from San Francisco Bay area The biological possiblities of asexual reproduction are over-stressed and ultimately boring. The worst part of this book's view of the future is the utter passivity and incompetence of a world of women. All technology (except biological research) breaks down - presumably there are no competent women engineers to run anything. The women allow themselves to be pushed by a totalitarian government into a lifestyle they despise. Reviews of the book describe Diana as a man-hating woman; I have to feel that the author is a woman-hating man to portray such a gloomy result of female dominance. Deters me from buying the book. ciao! K -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:37:02 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jo Ann Rangel Subject: Re: OT: Draulens' Red Queen Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I read this description you know what came to mind right away? That portion of The Time Machine movie with Rod Taylor when he goes into the future to a place where the people are peaceful and are so passive it turns out they are the food of the deformed ones who live underground. And at a certain time of the week a signal is made above ground and dozens of passive blonde people walk down this stone stairway into a pit where they are prepared for being eaten by those underground. Perhaps Wells The Time Machine was an influence here. Jo Ann -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems.