From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:31:42 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:08 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0108A" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:29:37 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jennifer H Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <200107210914.FAA27176@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Any reason, it just something you wanted to do? Have you seen >China Mieville's urban fantasy novel _King Rat_, if humanoid rats >work, Mary Gentle's _Rats and Gargoyles_ is excellent. > >-John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com > I'm learning web design and have gotten sick of making fake web pages. I wanted a topic for a real web page that hadn't been already done and being a fan of both rats and fiction I thought they might be a fun combo. I'm including both realistic and anthropomorphic rats, and both nice and nasty rats. The only requirement is a little characterization -- no cardboard cutouts of mutant rats, or rats as scary background atmosphere. It's been interesting but I have more sympathy for book reviewers. Good reviews are harder to write than I'd realized, and though I have read some good books I wouldn't have read otherwise I've read some real dreck too. The trend for adult books with rats to be fantasy or horror is holding up so far. I just recently finished King Rat. It was a good book though with oddly unconvincing rats. _Rats and Gargoyles_ is on my to read list. As are Terry Pratchett's books with the character Death of Rats. Also I've heard that some of the Anita Blake vampire books have were-rats in them? Jennifer Hinds jhinds@wavetech.net -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:30:26 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jennifer H Subject: Re: what I'm reading In-Reply-To: <02ab01c11119$6e305380$ceac580c@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I'm on an odd reading project right now -- reading fiction with rats in it. >The kids books I've read or found seem to cover lots of genres but I'm >noticing that books for adults that mention rats are horror, fantasy, or >science fiction. > >Dear Jennifer, >I hope your ratty reading list includes: Wind in the Willows, Mrs Frisby >and the Rats of NIMH, everything by Brian Jacques, The Deptford Mice >Trilogy (it has rats in it too), and for grown-ups-----King Rat by China >Mieville! Sounds like fun! >Rodently Yours, Amy > You are right; I can't forget classics like Wind in the Willows or Mrs Frisby. I haven't read any Brian Jacques or the Deptford books yet. I just finished King Rat recently. It kept me up quite late several nights reading. Jennifer jhinds@wavetech.net -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:37:18 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Patricia Mathews Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --On Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:29 PM -0500 Jennifer H wrote: >> Any reason, it just something you wanted to do? Have you seen >> China Mieville's urban fantasy novel _King Rat_, if humanoid rats >> work, Mary Gentle's _Rats and Gargoyles_ is excellent. >> >> -John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com >> > I'm learning web design and have gotten sick of making fake web pages. I > wanted a topic for a real web page that hadn't been already done and being > a fan of both rats and fiction I thought they might be a fun combo. I'm > including both realistic and anthropomorphic rats, and both nice and nasty > rats. The only requirement is a little characterization -- no cardboard > cutouts of mutant rats, or rats as scary background atmosphere. > IN Lois McMaster Bujold's latest book, CURSE OF CHALION, rats are sacred to the god of all rejected souls and odd business, including orphanages. In one scene, where a very nasty villain dies, none of the sacred animals of the gods will go to the corpse. With a sigh, they let the 5th god's acolyte turn loose the sacred rats. Who won't have him, either. Pat -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:03:30 +0100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Lesley Hall Subject: Re: what I'm reading: the rat in literature Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone mentioned Barbara Hambly's _Bride of the Rat God_? This is, among other things, a wonderful take on the early days of movie-making. Lesley Hall lesleyah@primex.co.uk website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:42:12 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Jennifer R. J." Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've only read 3 and a half of the Anita Blake books so far. The first one, Guilty Pleasures, had were-rats in it. Jennifer At 02:29 PM 8/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >Also I've heard that >some of the Anita Blake vampire books have were-rats in them? >Jennifer Hinds >jhinds@wavetech.net -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:58:35 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rats: Has anyone mentioned Reepicheep from The Voyage of the Dawntreader? (Rat with testosterone poisoning...) Frances -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:53:14 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/2001 3:31:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jhinds@WAVETECH.NET writes: << I just recently finished King Rat. It was a good book though with oddly unconvincing rats. _Rats and Gargoyles_ is on my to read list. As are Terry Pratchett's books with the character Death of Rats. Also I've heard that some of the Anita Blake vampire books have were-rats in them? Jennifer Hinds jhinds@wavetech.n >> There are Were-rats in the Anita Blake books, but they are minor supporting characters. Have you read The Coachman Rat by David Henry Wilson? Its Cinderella from the viewpoint of the rat which gets turned into the coachman. He wants to stay human because he is quasi in love with Cinderella. Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:58:50 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/2001 5:53:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hagsrus@EARTHLINK.NET writes: << Rats: Has anyone mentioned Reepicheep from The Voyage of the Dawntreader? (Rat with testosterone poisoning...) >> ROFLOL. I loved Reepicheep. That descrription fits him so well. Do you hear the publisher wants to take out the Christian reference in the Narina books? Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:11:06 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: April Goodwin-Smith Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jennifer H wrote: I'm > including both realistic and anthropomorphic > rats, and both nice and nasty > rats. The only requirement is a little > characterization -- no cardboard > cutouts of mutant rats, or rats as scary > background atmosphere. > on > my to read list. As are Terry > Pratchett's books with the character Death of > Rats. Death of Rats makes his first appearance in _Reaper Man_, and then is in _Soul Music_ and _The Hogfather_ for sure....if that's any help. April. ===== "Things that try to look like things often do look more like things than things. Well-known fact." Esmerelda Weatherwax. (Pratchett, 1988) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:18:36 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Do you hear the publisher wants to take out the Christian reference in the >Narina books? Chris And how on earth they are going to do that is beyond me. Aslan takes the Witch out for coffee and a nice chat? Perhaps they can secularise Pilgrim's Progress too. And how could I have forgotten the Death of Rats?!? Frances -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:26:05 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Taking Christian references out of Narnia reminds me that I actually wondered how Disney would deal with the Little Mermaid's quest to gain a soul... silly me! Frances -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:27:40 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rats: pivotal in "1984" Frances -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:30:45 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennifer- I am reading Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman. basically- there is another 'dimension' which exists emeshed through the London Underground. (the tube system) The rats are very high up in teh hierarchy in this 'other land' and there is, in fact, an entire tribe of humans claaed rat speakers, that do all the things for the rats that the rats cant do for themselves (havng no hands). Its mainly background in the book- ie none of the main chacters (thus far) are rats, but its definitely a feature in the book. Maire "There's nothing wrong with pregnancy. Half the people wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for women being pregnant." - Sarah Kennedy, British Radio 2 > -----Original Message----- > From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature > [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jennifer H > Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2001 5:30 AM > To: feministsf@UIC.EDU > Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] what I'm reading > > > >Any reason, it just something you wanted to do? Have you seen > >China Mieville's urban fantasy novel _King Rat_, if humanoid rats > >work, Mary Gentle's _Rats and Gargoyles_ is excellent. > > > >-John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com > > > I'm learning web design and have gotten sick of making fake web pages. I > wanted a topic for a real web page that hadn't been already done and being > a fan of both rats and fiction I thought they might be a fun combo. I'm > including both realistic and anthropomorphic rats, and both nice and nasty > rats. The only requirement is a little characterization -- no cardboard > cutouts of mutant rats, or rats as scary background atmosphere. > > It's been interesting but I have more sympathy for book reviewers. Good > reviews are harder to write than I'd realized, and though I have read some > good books I wouldn't have read otherwise I've read some real dreck too. > The trend for adult books with rats to be fantasy or horror is holding up > so far. > > I just recently finished King Rat. It was a good book though with oddly > unconvincing rats. _Rats and Gargoyles_ is on my to read list. As > are Terry > Pratchett's books with the character Death of Rats. Also I've heard that > some of the Anita Blake vampire books have were-rats in them? > > Jennifer Hinds > jhinds@wavetech.net > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:31:51 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <00ad01c11f87$ab91f540$2b4079a5@hpackard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit reepicheep is a mouse Maire "There's nothing wrong with pregnancy. Half the people wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for women being pregnant." - Sarah Kennedy, British Radio 2 > -----Original Message----- > From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature > [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Frances > Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2001 6:59 AM > To: feministsf@UIC.EDU > Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] what I'm reading > > > Rats: Has anyone mentioned Reepicheep from The Voyage of the Dawntreader? > (Rat with testosterone poisoning...) > > Frances > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:52:35 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Jennifer R. J." Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <65.185bb4e0.28a1daba@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed What I heard was that they are planning on writing more Narnia books and the new ones won't have Christian references. They aren't planning on editing the Christian references out of the original series. I'm trying to find the article I read this in, but I can't. Jennifer At 07:58 PM 8/7/01 -0400, you wrote: >Do you hear the publisher wants to take out the Christian reference in the >Narina books? >Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:23:03 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Ted M Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010807214940.00ac4d40@mail.superior.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 08 August 2001 12:52 am, Jennifer R. J. wrote: > What I heard was that they are planning on writing more Narnia books > and the new ones won't have Christian references. They aren't planning on > editing the Christian references out of the original series. I'm trying to > find the article I read this in, but I can't. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/03/national/03NARN.html The NYT site requires free registration, though if you prefer anonymity: user: anonymous pass: anonymous - Ted -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:55:04 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Jennifer R. J." Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20010808022807.93CE029@bess.infinitejest.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for the link. At 09:23 PM 8/7/01 -0400, you wrote: >http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/03/national/03NARN.html >The NYT site requires free registration, though if you prefer anonymity: >user: anonymous >pass: anonymous >- Ted -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems.