From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:31:45 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:09 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0108B" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:26:03 -0400 Reply-To: Amy Harlib Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Amy Harlib Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I'm on an odd reading project right now -- reading fiction with rats in it. >The kids books I've read or found seem to cover lots of genres but I'm >noticing that books for adults that mention rats are horror, fantasy, or >science fiction. > >Dear Jennifer, >I hope your ratty reading list includes: Wind in the Willows, Mrs Frisby >and the Rats of NIMH, everything by Brian Jacques, The Deptford Mice >Trilogy (it has rats in it too), and for grown-ups-----King Rat by China >Mieville! Sounds like fun! >Rodently Yours, Amy > You are right; I can't forget classics like Wind in the Willows or Mrs Frisby. I haven't read any Brian Jacques or the Deptford books yet. I just finished King Rat recently. It kept me up quite late several nights reading. Jennifer jhinds@wavetech.net And then there's Rats and Gargoyles by Mary Gentle------one of the most brilliant books ever! The humanoid rats in it are a hoot! Amy -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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I'm trying to > find the article I read this in, but I can't. This was a stupid suggestion from the publishers' marketing morons, which has been shot down in flames by the Lewis estate with great indignation and disgust. -- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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Frances -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:09:59 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Patricia Mathews Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010807214940.00ac4d40@mail.superior.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --On Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:52 PM -0700 "Jennifer R. J." wrote: > What I heard was that they are planning on writing more Narnia books > and the new ones won't have Christian references. They aren't planning on > editing the Christian references out of the original series. I'm trying > to find the article I read this in, but I can't. > Jennifer > > And then they'll take all the pagan references out of the AVALON books? Pat -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:17:22 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Cynthia Organization: Prodigy Internet Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > "There's nothing wrong with pregnancy. Half the people wouldn't be here > today if it wasn't for women being pregnant." - Sarah Kennedy, British Radio 2 > 1/2!!!??? ROFLHO. Did the other half jump out of heads like Athena did from Zeus's head? My collection of sf, fantasy, and myth just came out as a paperback. I'm so pleased! It's called New Myths of the Feminine Divine and published by Bookbootes Press (http://www.bookbooters.com). I just read Spindle's End and just loved it. Just gorgeious, elegant, fanciful writing. I'm also reading these delightfully silly romances that are sold as mysteries, and are based on a nice old lady ghost haunting the heroine--"Aunt Dimity's Death" "Aunt Dimity's Deed" They are soo relaxing which is big help when you are crazed because you have sold your house, have to move by Aug. 31, and every time you find a house hyou want to buy somebody beats you to it! Speaking of rat stories, as a child I loved the Miss Bianca stories. Miss Bianca is a white mouse who wears an elegant silver chain necklace and solves mysteries. Perhaps she is the reincarnation of Aunt Dimity. (: Cynthia -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:16:32 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Rose Reith Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <001401c23ba0$20314060$ccef1440@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > Isn't this one also done by Disney - Bernard and Bianca ...it's The Rescuers or something like that... or am I just misremembering? I enjoyed a couple of the Aunt Dimity stories a few months ago too. > > >Speaking of rat stories, as a child I loved the Miss Bianca stories. Miss >Bianca is a white mouse who wears an elegant silver chain necklace and >solves mysteries. Perhaps she is the reincarnation of Aunt Dimity. (: > >Cynthia > >-------------------------------------------------- >This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > >Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -- Information is not knowledge. ~Caleb Carr, KILLING TIME -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:47:15 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Anna Maria," said the old man rat (whose name was Samuel Whiskers),-- "Anna Maria, make me a kitten dumpling roly-poly pudding for my dinner." -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:16:42 +0100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Angela Barclay Subject: pts for clarification Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm just polishing up my thesis project on the listserves (which many of you completed surveys for in April and December of 2000- thanks!) and am looking for clarification on a few issues. 1. is it appropriate to define WisCon as : a feminist science fiction and fantasy convention held each Memorial Day weekend is Madison, WI? 2. what does WisCon stand for? 3. I assume there are panels and booths and get togethers- anything else? could someone list a few of the discussion panels? p.s. Once I've revised and revised I'll make the project available for perusal -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:48:06 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: eva Subject: Re: pts for clarification Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20010810201016.ZPQJ5587.priv-edtnes27-hme0.telusplanet.net@[161.184.43.178]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi angela, check out the official wiscon website at: http://www.sf3.org/wiscon/ among other things, you can check out a complete programming guide from this year's wiscon (wiscon 25) in plain text format: http://www.sf3.org/wiscon/25/downloads/PBtext5165.txt hope this helps, -> eva On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Angela Barclay wrote: > I'm just polishing up my thesis project on the listserves (which many of you > completed surveys for in April and December of 2000- thanks!) and am looking > for clarification on a few issues. > > 1. is it appropriate to define WisCon as : a feminist science fiction and > fantasy convention held each Memorial Day weekend is Madison, WI? > 2. what does WisCon stand for? > 3. I assume there are panels and booths and get togethers- anything else? > could someone list a few of the discussion panels? > > p.s. Once I've revised and revised I'll make the project available for > perusal -- http://mrow.net -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:19:10 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Michael J. Lowrey" Organization: The Working Class Subject: Re: pts for clarification Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Angela Barclay wrote: > > I'm just polishing up my thesis project on the listserves (which many of you > completed surveys for in April and December of 2000- thanks!) and am looking > for clarification on a few issues. > 2. what does WisCon stand for? Science fiction conventions are historically usually given a name ending in "-con" (short for "convention"), although we sometime use "-clave" (short for "conclave") instead. Since the name "Wisconsin" had "-con" already in it, the name "Wiscon" for a _Wisconsin_ science fiction convention seemed pretty self-evident. > 1. is it appropriate to define WisCon as : a feminist science fiction and > fantasy convention held each Memorial Day weekend is Madison, WI? The homepage for Wiscon, "the gathering of the feminist SF community," describes it each year as "WisCon [#] will gather together guest(s) of honor [name] and [name] as well as many other invited writers, editors, publishers, scholars, artists, women, and men from around the world to discuss science fiction and fantasy, with a emphasis on issues of feminism, gender, race, and class." > 3. I assume there are panels and booths and get togethers- anything else? > could someone list a few of the discussion panels? In case you found the previously-suggested as unreadable as I did, here is the URL for the Wiscon 24 program in html: http://www.sf3.org/wiscon/24/programschedule24.html Panels that year included: 1. SF for Queer Publishers and Queer Fiction for SF Publishers 2. Applying Sharkscreen: A Q and A with Literary Agent Jennifer Jackson 3. Urban Fantasy/Contemporary Fantasy Worldbuilding 4. Food of the Gods: Biotechnology, "FrankenFood" and Popular Culture 5. How To Do A Great Poetry Reading 9. Relationship Between Gender and Math Performance 13. Where the Boys Are 14. When It Changed: Feminists Debate The History of Women in Science Fiction 15. Reviewing Science Fiction Criticism 17. Structuring a Novel 18. The Interstitial Arts Movement 22. Lady Poetesses from Hell/Open Mike Poetry Reading 23. Alternate Family Structures 27. An Alternative History of Science Fiction 28. Children As Scientists 29. Character Transformation in Fiction 30. Sex/Gender/Sexuality in Feminist Science Fiction: Changing Feminist Conceptions and Constructions of the Categories Sex, Gender and Sexuality, Traced Through THE GATE TO WOMEN'S COUNTRY, TROUBLE AND HER FRIENDS, and AMMONITE 32. Beyond Separate Worlds and War: Suzy McKee Charnas's Holdfast Series 35. After Colonialism, What? 38. "But What If My Main Character's Male?" 39. Care and Feeding of Creative Artists 40. Fantasy and Science Fiction: One Thing, Two Things, or Somewhere In Between? 41. Beyond the Basics: GLBT 201 and Above 42. Nice Place to Visit: Building a Home in Space 44. Forensic Dentistry, or "Let the Bite Fit the Crime" 48. Creativity as Revision 49. Shamanism in Folklore, Fantasy Literature, and the Creative Process 50. When Bad Things Happen to Good Witches 51. Fluid Gender and its Implications 52. Friendly Fascism 53. Cloth Technology 54. Wedge Your Foot In The Door And Keep It There 55. Post-Traumatic Lives: Identity and Invisible Injury in the Working Class 57. Virginia Kidd, Judith Merril and the New York Futurians 61. Harry Potter and the Marketing of the Philosopher's Stone 63. Panel/Book Discussion: Suzy McKee Charnas' Holdfast Series 64. Icons and Archetypes in Storytelling: Assumptions and/or Subversive Opportunities 66. Old Women of All Styles 67. The Difficulty of Writing Sex Scenes 72. Costuming for the Real World or, Your Leather Jacket Will Find You 73. Science Fiction Films of 1999 74. War: What Is It Good For? 75. Future Sex 76. Identifying Class Themes in Science Fiction 77. Diverse Diversity, or "Can't We All Just Get Along?" 78. Building Utopia 79. Women In Science 82. When Is It Romance, When Science Fiction? 88. You're Shouting Across the Net, but Nobody is Listening 89. Bisexuality in Science Fiction 90. Feminism, SF, and Child Rearing 94. Tales of Wonder: Storytelling for Adults 97. "Please Don't Hand Me a Manuscript in the Bathroom": The Etiquette for Dealing with Agents 99. Art and the Computer 100. The Future of Class Struggle 102. Is Gender (Still) Real, or (Still) a Fetish? 103. Judging the 1999 Tiptree 104. Master or Menace: Mercedes Lackey 105. The WTO and the Streets of Seattle 107. The Evolution of the Smart House 108. The Psychobiography of H.P. Lovecraft in SHADOWS BEND 112. The Legacy of JANUS/AURORA 114. Planning the Series 115. The Influence of Tolkien 117. That Which Cannot Be Spoken 118. Coyote/Trickster/Writer 121. Releasing The Inner You: How To Find Your Own Style And Voice. 123. Caste and Class Acknowledged in Fiction 125. Karen Axness Memorial Panel: Women Writers You May Not Have Heard Of 126. Women and Utopian/Dystopian Fiction of the 80s and 90s 128. Moral Development and the Influence of Family in Lois Bujold's Vorkosigan Series 129. Psychohistory 101: Are Strauss & Howe the Hari Seldon of our times? 118B. Getting the Medicine Right in Your Fiction 21A. Vampires and Disease -- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:45:35 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Phoebe Wray Subject: Re: pts for clarification Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/10/01 4:38:59 PM, barclaya@TELUSPLANET.NET writes: << 3. I assume there are panels and booths and get togethers- anything else? could someone list a few of the discussion panels? >> Go to http://www.sf3.org/wiscon/ and read allabout it. phoebe -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:32:14 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Cynthia Organization: Prodigy Internet Subject: Re: what I'm reading Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know, I ahve seen very few Walt Dismal--excuse me, Walt Disney productions. Cynthia > Isn't this one also done by Disney - Bernard and Bianca ...it's The > Rescuers or something like that... or am I just misremembering? > > I enjoyed a couple of the Aunt Dimity stories a few months ago too. > > > > > > > > >Speaking of rat stories, as a child I loved the Miss Bianca stories. Miss > >Bianca is a white mouse who wears an elegant silver chain necklace and > >solves mysteries. Perhaps she is the reincarnation of Aunt Dimity. (: > > > >Cynthia > > > >-------------------------------------------------- > >This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > > unsubscribe feministsf > > > >Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > > -- > Information is not knowledge. > ~Caleb Carr, KILLING TIME > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:16:05 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Misha Bernard Subject: Re: what I'm reading: Bianca/Rescuers Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <000e01c11dd4$91ca21a0$f6ef1440@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Disney film came out about 20 yrs ago- _The Rescuers_ (it's been so long, I saw it at a drive in!) but there were also a series of books about the same time, with a MOUSE Bianca in it, doing similar things to the film. Basically, the plot of the film is that Penny is an orphan adopted by Mme something-or-other (Disney being into evil females) because she can fit into the tight cave (in a swamp, complete with alligators and rising water) to fetch a jeweled or important skull. Bianca and Bernard (the two mice) help Penny and she probably gets a nice couple for parents at the end. On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Cynthia wrote: > I don't know, I ahve seen very few Walt Dismal--excuse me, Walt Disney > productions. > > Cynthia > > > Isn't this one also done by Disney - Bernard and Bianca ...it's The > > Rescuers or something like that... or am I just misremembering? > > > > I enjoyed a couple of the Aunt Dimity stories a few months ago too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Speaking of rat stories, as a child I loved the Miss Bianca stories. > Miss > > >Bianca is a white mouse who wears an elegant silver chain necklace and > > >solves mysteries. Perhaps she is the reincarnation of Aunt Dimity. (: > > > > > >Cynthia > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- > > >This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > > >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > > >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > > >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > > > unsubscribe feministsf > > > > > >Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > > > > -- > > Information is not knowledge. > > ~Caleb Carr, KILLING TIME > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > > unsubscribe feministsf > > > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Misha Bernard Cultural Studies PhD student mbernar1@gmu.edu George Mason University ------------------------- -mmmm! tastes like a scratch world! but it's Bishop Berkeley's Cosmo Mix!- Ursula K. Le Guin "World Making" (1981) -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:34:27 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: what I'm reading: Bianca/Rescuers Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mice and rats. Rabbits and hares. Apes and monkeys. Odd how some species have acquired a kind of "popular" usage interchangeability. If Reepicheep had been, say, a gerbil I wouldn't have remembered him as a rat. Perhaps it was the size. And I'm sure nobody on this list would confuse monkeys with librarians... I was delighted by the reappearance of Susan in the new Pratchett. I have to start the second reading shortly so I can absorb the details. Frances -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:54:30 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: Re: what I'm reading: Bianca/Rescuers Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <017d01c1228b$e8a1c940$614c79a5@vze2fftf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Frances wrote: > And I'm sure nobody on this list would confuse monkeys with librarians... > Of course not ! He's an oranguggtan!> Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:14:59 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: what I'm reading: Bianca/Rescuers Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Frances wrote: > And I'm sure nobody on this list would confuse monkeys with librarians... > Of course not ! He's an oranguggtan!> Exactly. But every comment I've seen on Planet of the Apes uses "monkey" at some point. Ook. Frances -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:23:44 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Rose Reith Subject: Re: what I'm reading: Bianca/Rescuers Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Yes, that's what I vaguely remembered - I picture them sitting in a little row boat... And I really appreciate Cynthia's "Walt Dismal" allusion!! Rose >The Disney film came out about 20 yrs ago- _The Rescuers_ (it's been so >long, I saw it at a drive in!) but there were also a series of books about >the same time, with a MOUSE Bianca in it, doing similar things to the >film. Basically, the plot of the film is that Penny is an orphan adopted >by Mme something-or-other (Disney being into evil females) because she can >fit into the tight cave (in a swamp, complete with alligators and rising >water) to fetch a jeweled or important skull. Bianca and Bernard (the two >mice) help Penny and she probably gets a nice couple for parents at the >end. > > >On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Cynthia wrote: > >> I don't know, I ahve seen very few Walt Dismal--excuse me, Walt Disney > > productions. -- Information is not knowledge. ~Caleb Carr, KILLING TIME -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:28:13 +1000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: Re: Lady Dorothy Mills Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, A friend of mine has a great interest in Lady Dorothy Mills. In his words: I also have an ongoing interest in a forgotten author named Lady Dorothy Mills who wrote a SF/F novel back in the twenties called Phoenix. I haven't been able to track down that novel, but I'm slowly acquiring some of her work. She was an adventurous woman who wrote several travel books about Africa in the twenties and published several speculative novels. It's almost impossible to find information about her, so if anyone has any knowledge about her, please let me know. (I lifted that from his intro to a list he just joined, that I was already on) Personally, I have never heard of her. However, although he is very open-minded etc, he is also a fairly typical male sf type, who hasnt read a great deal of, or is even aware of many, female writers, (feminist or not). I have absolutely *no* idea how he ahs developed this interest in Lady Dorothy Mills (particlarly as I dont know anything about her). But I am trying to encourage him (god, that sounds like I am his mother!) and introduce him to some female sf writers. For example, hehasnt read any Octavia Butler- nor, I am pretty sure, any Le Guin. The only female writer I can remember him mentioning besies Lady mills, is Asaro, actually. So, I was hoping to find some info on Lady Mills, and I thought if ever there was a place to ask- then this list is it! Does any one of all you educated peoples know of this writer, Lady Mills? Any info would most gratefully be received! Or, if anyone can point me in the right direction? Thanks heaps, Maire "There's nothing wrong with pregnancy. Half the people wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for women being pregnant." Sarah Kennedy, British Radio 2 > -----Original Message----- > From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature > [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Phoebe Wray > Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2001 8:46 AM > To: feministsf@UIC.EDU > Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] pts for clarification > > > In a message dated 8/10/01 4:38:59 PM, barclaya@TELUSPLANET.NET writes: > > << 3. I assume there are panels and booths and get togethers- > anything else? > could someone list a few of the discussion panels? >> > > Go to http://www.sf3.org/wiscon/ and read allabout it. > > phoebe > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:08:33 +0100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Lesley Hall Subject: Re: Lady Dorothy Mills Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quick search on the British Library online catalogue indicates that she published _A Different Drummer. Chapters in autobiography_ in 1930, which should supply some background details. A number of her publications come up for sale on a search on www.bookfinder.com , though not _Phoenix_ (this is a meta-book search engine which searches across a number of book-search databases). From the bibliography at http://www.halcyon.com/ltimmel/chronology.html on 'Science Fiction and Utopias by Women, 1818-1949: A Chronology', she was part of an ongoing tradition of women using the genre from much earlier than is often supposed. However, the only mentions I've come across in literary studies seem to relate to her travel writings and 'oriental romances'. It is possible that if she was wellknown enough there may be a) an entry in 'Who was Who' and b) obituary notices, e.g. in _The Times_ which would give further personal information. Lesley Hall lesleyah@primex.co.uk website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:50:48 -0400 Reply-To: judithberman@earthlink.net Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Judith Berman Subject: Narnia controversy Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last week several people posted on the subject of the various rumors about HarperCollins and the Narnia books. I first heard about this controversy a few months ago from a friend who is both an sf/f writer and a member of a religious order. These rumors have apparently been getting much air time on various Christian lists, web sites and traditional media with very little recourse to fact. My friend recently sent me this link to a "pretty accurate article" on the subject at the website of Christianity Today-- a publication that "is about as evangelical as you can get": ChristianityToday.com - Christianity Today Magazine - Weblog: The War for Narnia Continues http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/125/32.0.html Cheers, Judith -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:00:18 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Mellen Subject: BDG - reminders Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu, feministsf@uic.edu Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Meant to send this to the list serves, sorry Petra. Hi all; Since next month's BDG selections have now been discussed at some length, I think I'll skip my regular mid-month posting. Instead, I want to ask a few questions. Is the mid-month reminder useful? --- too late? ----- too early? ---- Do we need more than one reminder a month? I post the entire upcoming schedule each month at the end of the reminder. Does anyone see that, or do we need a different format? Petra, I'm comfortable with either date you proposed for voting - hate to cut the ones who need time to get a book short though. Maybe any book that might take longer to get can be put at the end of the schedule? Hope you're all having a lovely summer - or is it winter "down under"? Input would be appreciated. Thanks - Mellen -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems.