From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:32:16 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:12 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0110B" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:27:41 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Joyce Jones Subject: Top 9 Favorite Implanted Memories of Scientists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't quite finished The Fortunate Fall, but this seemed to fit with it. Joyce October 9, 2001 NOTE FROM DAWSON: Scientists have discovered that it was very easy to "implant" memories into test subjects. In this experiment, subjects were shown doctored pictures containing, among other things, the Warner Brothers character Bugs Bunny standing in Disneyland. These subjects later "remembered" actually shaking hands with Bugs when they had visited Disneyland. With skills like that, it'd be *very easy* to implant some interesting memories in unsuspecting people... The Top 9 Favorite Implanted Memories of Scientists 9> Kicking Einstein's ass at Trivial Pursuit. 8> "I don't think I can tell you about it. Agent Mulder told me you are part of the conspiracy." 7> After working late in the lab for a straight week, it sure is handy to make the spouse believe you gave her an awesome birthday/anniversary present. 6> Yes, we really *did* get cold fusion this way! 5> "What I can't figure is how come I'm still washing up Erlenmeyer flasks after having addressed the National Academy of Science on the Ethics of Artificial Memo... Hey!" 4> "I just told *all* my girlfriends about your prowess in bed, honey-lamb!" 3> Answering the winning College Bowl question against the hated, arch-rival M.I.T. squad. 2> "Why yes, you did help me with that Nobel-winning project..." and the Number 1 Favorite Implanted Memory of Scientists... 1> No matter how many times we pull it, that "Alien abduction and probe" item is still good for a 10^6 laughs! [ Copyright 2001 by Chris White ] [ http://www.topfive.com ] -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:36:04 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Joyce Jones Subject: Ways Science Fiction Characters Would Deal With Osama bin Laden Comments: To: feministsf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit October 4, 2001 NOTE FROM JOHN: While the United States and its allies consider how to handle alleged terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden, we thought we'd consider how some of our favorite people would deal with the issue: The Top 7 Ways Science Fiction Characters Would Deal With Osama bin Laden 7> Seven of Nine: "Cover *this* body with schmattes? Prepare to be assimilated, drone-bait!" 6> Jabba the Hutt: Make bin Laden wear the little gold bikini and dance for him until Jabba tired of him and tossed him to the Sarlaac. 5> Lt. Ripley & Cpl. Hicks: Nuke him from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. 4> Montgomery Scott: Channel a tachyon pulse through the main deflector dish. (Hey, it works for everything else.) 3> Michael Valentine Smith: Use overwhelming psychic powers to calm him. Then have sex with him. 2> James T Kirk: Would punch him out, then nail his wife. and the Number 1 Way a Science Fiction Character Would Deal With Osama bin Laden... 1> Hari Seldon: Explain to bin Laden, through psychohistory, exactly how events lead up to his ass getting kicked halfway across the galaxy. [ Copyright 2001 by Chris White ] [ http://www.topfive.com ] Selected from 31 submissions from 12 contributors. Today's Top 5 List authors are: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Thomas, Atlanta, GA -- 1, 6 (2nd #1) Greg Preece, Toronto, ON -- 2 Joseph Moore, Concord, CA -- 3 Charles d'Olive, Waterloo, IA -- 4, Topic, RU list name Toby Click, Macon, GA -- 5 Fran Fruit, Winnetka, IL -- 7 John Mozena, Grosse Pointe Woods, MI -- Prime Director ================================================================== Ways Science Fiction Characters Would Deal With Osama bin Laden RUNNERS UP list -- Where's a Dalek when you need one? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz: Set him to work editing his latest collection of poetry. (Guy Payne, Birmingham, AL) Samantha Stevens: Wiggles her nose and turns him into a donkey's butt. Oops, too late. (Fran Fruit, Winnetka, IL) Princess Leia: Threaten the Taliban that she'll walk up and down the length of Afghanistan in the gold bikini until they hand him over. (Slick Sharkey, Miami, FL) Captain Kirk: Knock him out with one punch. (Steve Thomas, Atlanta, GA) Captain Kirk: Do *not* set phasers on stun. (Doug Finney, Houston, TX) Flash Gordon: Impales him with pointy end of rocket ship. Osama vanishes, then so does the actor playing Flash. (Toby Click, Macon, GA) HAL 9000: Opens his pod bay doors, if you get my drift. (Toby Click, Macon, GA) Lazarus Long: "I spaced him! He went that way, eyes poppin' and peein' blood!" (Guy Payne, Birmingham, AL) Elric of Melnibone: "That's funny -- there doesn't seem to be a soul there for Stormbringer to eat." (Guy Payne, Birmingham, AL) Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott: Reverse the polarity of bin Laden's ass. (Slick Sharkey, Miami, FL) [ Copyright 2001 by Chris White All rights reserved. ] [ Do not forward, publish, broadcast, or use ] [ in any manner without crediting "TopFive.com" ] ================================================================== [ To complain to Starfleet Headquarters: Top5SciFi@topfive.com ] [ Have a friend who would like to subscribe to this list? ] [ Refer them to: Top5SciFi-subscribe@topica.com ] ================================================================== -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:02:06 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: What to wish on Bin Laden Comments: cc: Lois Bujold Fan List , "Lamb, Jean -- Jean Lamb" , TLambs1138@cs.com, pat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A conscience. That it finally be driven home to him unmistakeably exactly what he's done, in grisly detail. With pain. Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:36:18 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nina Osier Subject: Re: What to wish on Bin Laden Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or, more simply, from book reviewer Rebecca Brown's most recent column (paraphrasing rather than quoting): "Tell the Taliban we're going to make their lives miserable in the worst possible way. We're going to come and get all their women, and sent them to college!" ===== Nina M. Osier http://www.geocities.com/nina_osier -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:37:02 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Nina Osier Subject: Re: What to wish on Bin Laden Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20011011123618.9020.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sigh. SEND. SEND. Not SENT. ===== Nina M. Osier http://www.geocities.com/nina_osier -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:55:47 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Joyce Jones Subject: ACLU files brief in gay oral sex case Comments: To: feministsf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This seems quite pertinant to The Fortunate Fall. Joyce ACLU files brief in gay oral sex case Ann Rostow, Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network Tuesday, October 2, 2001 / 02:54 PM The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has weighed in with a friend-of-the-court brief in the case of a Kansas teen who has been sentenced to 17 years in prison for having oral sex with another teen at a boarding school for developmentally disabled youth. Matthew Limon had just turned 18 when he performed oral sex on another resident, a boy on the verge of his 15th birthday. In Kansas, heterosexual teens face mild penalties for consensual oral sex under the "Romeo and Juliet Law." If the younger teen is between 14 and 16, and the older teen is no more than four years older, the punishment for consensual oral sex is a year in prison. But when the teens are both the same sex, the law doesn't apply. "Matt Limon will be 36 years old by the time he's released, having spent half of his life in prison," said Matt Coles, head of the ACLU's Lesbian and Gay Rights Project. "A heterosexual person would have been released before turning 19." Although Limon is represented by a public defender, the civil rights watchdogs added their arguments to the court records, based on the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Recently defined in an article by gay columnist and University of Minnesota law professor Dale Carpenter, the principle behind the Equal Protection Clause is that "when government policy treats one group of citizens differently from another, it must have at least a rational justification for doing so. Otherwise, the policy violates the requirement that everyone should get the equal protection of the laws." The ACLU does not seek to challenge the sex laws themselves, but only to question "whether gay people should be punished more severely than straight people for committing the same crime," said Coles. "We don't think the Constitution allows that, and we hope this court won't either." -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:02:21 +0100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Angela Barclay Subject: The Handmaid's Tale Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know we are discussing _The Handmaid's Tale_ next month and don't intend to kick that discussion off early or interrupt the excellent comments which are being made about _The Fortunate Fall_; but I'm briefly mentioning this work in the intro. to a paper. I am writing a section on sci fi as a disparaged genre and mentioning how Atwood herself may be guilty of buying into the old hibrow/lowbrow distinction in literature. Apparently she stated that she put off writing The Tale for 3 years because she thought the concept was 'crazy'. I also recall reading that Atwood is/was reluctant about having the work labelled as SF. Question 1: Has anybody else heard this? Question 2: Which award(s) did this book win? (Can't find my copy.) Thanks, Angela -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:34:41 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jo Ann Rangel Subject: Re: The Handmaid's Tale Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some links I found off Google: http://www.web.net/owtoad/ her official webpage http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/atwood/ a university webpage dedicated to Atwood This last link here is a study guide to the text itself, if you have not read the book before read it first before loking at this because it will go into detail many spoilers: http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/science_fiction/handmaid.html Jo Ann -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:25:00 -0300 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Patricia Monk Subject: Re: The Handmaid's Tale Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What she said, in an interview in _Quill and Quire_, a Canadian book trade magazine, was that you could call it science fiction, but not in the classic sense of spaceships and Martians. She was apparently surprised by finding it called science fiction, and even more surprised (I expect) when it won the Arthur C. Clarke award for science fiction (in the UK). She also said, in a TV interview (which I have no reference for), that she wanted to write her PhD dissertation on science fiction, and had done considerable research on the subject before she dropped out of the programme (I can't remember which university programme she was in but it should be in any standard biography). (Patricia Monk) Angela Barclay wrote: > > I know we are discussing _The Handmaid's Tale_ next month and don't intend > to kick that discussion off early or interrupt the excellent comments which > are being made about _The Fortunate Fall_; but I'm briefly mentioning this > work in the intro. to a paper. > > I am writing a section on sci fi as a disparaged genre and mentioning how > Atwood herself may be guilty of buying into the old hibrow/lowbrow > distinction in literature. Apparently she stated that she put off writing > The Tale for 3 years because she thought the concept was 'crazy'. I also > recall reading that Atwood is/was reluctant about having the work labelled > as SF. > > Question 1: Has anybody else heard this? > > Question 2: Which award(s) did this book win? (Can't find my copy.) > > Thanks, > Angela > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems.