From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:32:23 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:12 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0110D" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:12:25 +0200 Reply-To: Torreif Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Torreif Subject: Re: Welcome to Feminist SF/Fantasy & Utopia ! List Purpose, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday, October 13, 2001, 10:55:59 PM, L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d) wrote: LSlsaU18> Welcome to FeministSF - a list for fans, writers, activists and scholars LSlsaU18> to discuss feminist science fiction. Your list owner is Laura Quilter LSlsaU18> (lquilter@igc.apc.org) (and Chris Shaffer shaffer@uic.edu for LSlsaU18> emergencies). I am a 37 year old Jewish lesbian, originally from the US. I go by several names, depending on my mood and where I am. I came to Nederland to live with my girlfriend, whom I knew for 2 years online before moving our relationship to real life.. I've been here for more than a year now. If anyone had told me a few years ago that I would uproot myself, put everything in storage and go half-way around the world to be with the woman I love, I'd have told them they were nuts...yet, that's exactly what I did. In college, I was one of the first two women to earn a minor in Gender Studies, the first year it was instituted. I have always had a strong interest in feminist subjects; my favorites have been feminist theology and feminist literature. I enjoy debating and analyzing feminist issues in literature and tend to prefer mostly female authors as well as movies and tv which feature strong women characters. I have been writing poetry since 1983, beginning while in college. In the beginning, all of my poems were either related to escaping the abusive home of my birth parents or about Jewish holidays. Next came some pagan-focused and nature-focused poems. Later, when I came out in 1986, I added some poems about that. I've tried my hand at political poems, but they have generally flopped big time. My most powerful poems are those I started with, especially those which link my journey from the abusive home to the Pesach journey. Some of my poems have been published in the WeMoon calendar and in some Haggadot for Pesach. Some day, I hope to publish a collection of my poetry. My personality varies a lot, depending on my mood, and I am full of contradictions...alternatingly extroverted and shy, analytical and creative, spontaneous at times and organized at others. Also assertive, romantic, passionate, opinionated, honest. Favorite authors: Marion Zimmer Bradley (I have been a fan of Marion Zimmer Bradley ever since I read my first Darkover novel. I've read most of them; my favorites are those which deal with the Renunciates. I am a butch leather dyke and have been part of Amazon communities both real life and online since I was in college. I was part of an Amazon guild based on Marion Zimmer Bradley's Free Amazons of Darkover and still keep to the oath I swore so many years ago.), Ursula Leguin, Mercedes Lackey and many others. Favorite movies: Star Trek (Wrath of Kahn, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, First Contact), Star Wars, Stargate, Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind, Contact, Starman, ET, the Alien Nation movies, the Babylon 5 movies, and many others. Favorite on TV: Alien Nation, Babylon 5, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Charmed, Dark Angel, Farscape, First Wave, Quantum Leap, Sliders, Stargate, Starman, Star Trek (Voyager, Next Gen, DS9), Xena, and others. We just started watching Witchblade which looks like it will be good. All of these have at various times raised issues which are interesting to look at from feminist perspectives. I enjoy a wide variety of role play on MUSH's, especially sci-fi/ fantasy. I am a wizard on two adult mushes. The one where I put in most of my energy, Magevale, is an adult, kink-friendly roleplay mush, where I play a variety of characters. If you'd like more information, see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magevale. I enjoy reading fan fiction, especially f/f slash, as well as looking for the lesbian/gay/bi/trans subtext which the writers have already included in the shows. Other interests include singing, drumming, and spending time in nature. -- Wildbird mailto:torreif@yahoo.co.uk Susan: "George seems to have forgotten that there's more to lovemaking than the zed'chuk position." Jessica: "The what?" Susan: "It's our equivalent to your, um, masonry position. Except, of course, the male has his right ankle under the female's chin." Alien Nation, The Enemy Within Owner/Moderator of: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MoonShield_WingSisters http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magevale ICQ: 82980723 Authorization required OutVale Wizard for MageVale MUSH, an adult kink-friendly role play MUSH Telnet:MageVale.mudservices.com:3333 -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:23:45 EDT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Joy Martin Subject: Einstein quote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This isn't really a feminist scifi question, but I thought someone here might know the answer. I received the following in an email some time ago: As Albert Einstein said 60 years ago, "there is no secret and there is no defense." Does anyone know when, where, in what context he said this?- Thanks, Joy Martin -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:49:30 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jo Ann Rangel Subject: Re: Einstein quote Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gave it a shot in my Bartlett's quotations, was not under his name in there. A lot of the quotations he was noted as written or said though had to do with an Atlantic Monthly article he wrote or was interviewed for in November 1945 about the Atom bomb. Maybe he said that reference in that article perhaps? Jo Ann > This isn't really a feminist scifi question, but I thought someone here might > know the answer. I received the following in an email some time ago: > > As Albert Einstein said 60 years ago, "there is no secret and there is no > defense." > > Does anyone know when, where, in what context he said this?- Thanks, Joy > Martin > -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:04:10 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: Einstein quote Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/ In 1947 Albert Einstein wrote: "Through the release of atomic energy, our generation has brought into the world the most revolutionary force since the prehistoric discovery of fire. This basic power of the universe cannot be fitted into the outmoded concept of narrow nationalisms. For there is no secret and there is no defense, there is no possibility of control except through the aroused understanding and insistence of the peoples of the world. "We scientists recognize our inescapable responsibility to carry to our fellow citizens an understanding of the simple facts of atomic energy and its implications for society. In this lies our only security and our only hope--we believe that an informed citizenry will act for life and not death." I can't find the actual source. Frances -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:38:40 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jo Ann Rangel Subject: Re: Einstein quote Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only thing listed from 1947 of Einstein is the following: "I shall never believe that God plays dice with the world." >From Einstein, His Life and Times[1947] by Phillpe Frank But the tone of those paragraphs sound very much like the 1945 Atlantic Monthly quotes, for example: "As long as there are sovereign nations possessing great power, war is inevitable." "I do not believe civilization will be wiped out in a war fought with the atomic bomb. Perhaps two thirds of the people of the earth might be killed, but enough men capable of thinking, and enough books, would be left to start again, and civilization could be restored." "Since I do not foresee that atomic energy is to be a great boon for a long time, I have to say that for the present it is a menace. Perhaps it is well that it should be. It may intimidate the human race into bringing order into its international affairs, which, without the pressure of fear, it would not do." If it is dated 1947, maybe see if the library had the Frank book available? Jo Ann > From http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/ > > In 1947 Albert Einstein wrote: > > "Through the release of atomic energy, our generation has brought into the world > the most revolutionary force since the prehistoric discovery of fire. This basic > power of the universe cannot be fitted into the outmoded concept of narrow > nationalisms. For there is no secret and there is no defense, there is no > possibility of control except through the aroused understanding and insistence > of the peoples of the world. > "We scientists recognize our inescapable responsibility to carry to our fellow > citizens an understanding of the simple facts of atomic energy and its > implications for society. In this lies our only security and our only hope--we > believe that an informed citizenry will act for life and not death." > > I can't find the actual source. > > Frances > -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:56:15 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Neil Rest Subject: Re: Einstein quote Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <00f401c15f72$cdf54bc0$2b86b2d1@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "I shall never believe that god plays dice with the universe". -- Albert Einstein "God not only plays dice with the universe, he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen." -- Stephen Hawking "C'mon seven!" -- Richard Feynman Neil Rest -- NeilRest@enteract.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:02:35 EST Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Joy Martin Subject: Re: Einstein quote Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all who wrote re the Einstein quote. That's more than enough for me to go on. The source of the 1947 quote would be nice, but it was the context which I was looking for, which has been supplied. Thanks.-Joy Martin -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems.