From LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Tue Feb 12 16:32:41 2002 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:14 -0600 From: "L-Soft list server at UIC (1.8d)" To: Laura Q Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0112A" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 06:45:49 -0800 Reply-To: publicity@mystgalaxy.com Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Two notes on WAR FOR THE OAKS Comments: To: Feminist SF/Fantasy and Utopia Literature ON TOPIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) It made (via my nomination) the Booksense Top Ten list of recommended SF / F recently http://www.booksense.com/readup/booksense76/scifi/index.jsp 2) For those of you who know Emma broke her elbows in an accident in August, the latest is that she is healing, but has a way to go before recovering fully. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:04:36 +0000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Angela Barclay Subject: fiction/fact Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all: I would like to be able to give some examples of how 'science fiction became fact' and how science fictionisms have become adopted into the lexicon in a paper I am trying to put together. An example I can think of is the wholesale adoption of William Gibson's term 'cyberspace.' Can you point out discoveries or events which were predicted by science fiction writers? Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which have crossed the boundary between science fiction and reality? Thanks, Angela p.s. Is my recollection correct that Ursula Le Guin's term 'ansible' is now used to name a satellite-like device? -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:39:26 EST Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/1/2001 7:58:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, barclaya@TELUSPLANET.NET writes: << Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which have crossed the boundary between science fiction and reality? >> Didn't Jules Verne invent the submarine when he created the Nauthlius (sp)? Or at least predicted a better use and control then the Amer. Civil War illustrated. Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:59:41 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arthur C Clarke invented comsats in a story. And I think "waldo" was adopted from Heinlein's "Waldo". Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Barclay" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: [*FSFFU*] fiction/fact Hi all: I would like to be able to give some examples of how 'science fiction became fact' and how science fictionisms have become adopted into the lexicon in a paper I am trying to put together. An example I can think of is the wholesale adoption of William Gibson's term 'cyberspace.' Can you point out discoveries or events which were predicted by science fiction writers? Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which have crossed the boundary between science fiction and reality? Thanks, Angela p.s. Is my recollection correct that Ursula Le Guin's term 'ansible' is now used to name a satellite-like device? -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:11:14 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Neil Rest Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20011202005830.NZBH12770.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.ne t@[161.184.52.247]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:04 PM 12/1/01 +0000, Angela Barclay wrote: >I would like to be able to give some examples of how 'science fiction became >fact' and how science fictionisms have become adopted into the lexicon in a >paper I am trying to put together. An example I can think of is the >wholesale adoption of William Gibson's term 'cyberspace.' > >Can you point out discoveries or events which were predicted by science >fiction writers? > >Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which have crossed >the boundary between science fiction and reality? One of the classics is the FBI's visit to John W. Campbell, Jr., during World War II because Astounding was publishing too much detail about atomic weapons. First, he showed tham that everything was available at the New York Public Library, then he convinced them not to gag him because the sudden silence would be suspicious. Neil Rest -- NeilRest@enteract.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:22:10 EST Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Lou Hoffman Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13.2b0619a.293af862_boundary" --part1_13.2b0619a.293af862_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heinlein also invented the waterbed. Retinal prints, palm locks, and almost anything to do with computers all showed up in SF before it showed up in "real" life. I'm still waiting for the replicator tho. Lou --part1_13.2b0619a.293af862_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heinlein also invented the waterbed.
Retinal prints, palm locks, and almost anything to do with computers all showed up in SF before it showed up in "real" life. I'm still waiting for the replicator tho.
Lou --part1_13.2b0619a.293af862_boundary-- -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:02:53 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Frances Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if it counts, but one of Joan Aiken's child characters was given a pocket-sized computer (to do sums with) by a fairy godmother -- this before the first electronic calculator. I remember thinking what a lovely idea, being hopeless at all things arithmetical. Frances -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:25:30 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon" Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20011202005830.NZBH12770.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@[161.184.52.247]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 12/1/01 12:04 PM, Angela Barclay at barclaya@TELUSPLANET.NET wrote: > Hi all: > > I would like to be able to give some examples of how 'science fiction became > fact' and how science fictionisms have become adopted into the lexicon in a > paper I am trying to put together. An example I can think of is the > wholesale adoption of William Gibson's term 'cyberspace.' Actually, wasn't it Jack Williamson who coined cyberspace, and William Gibson popularized it? > Can you point out discoveries or events which were predicted by science > fiction writers? > > Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which have crossed > the boundary between science fiction and reality? > > Thanks, > Angela > > p.s. Is my recollection correct that Ursula Le Guin's term 'ansible' is now > used to name a satellite-like device? > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:13:33 +1100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <54.1eebcfe0.293ae04e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" What about Stanislaw Lem's anticipation of nanotechnology in a very frightening short story (the name of which I can't remember) about self-replicating and deadly germ-sized robots? Alison >In a message dated 12/1/2001 7:58:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, >barclaya@TELUSPLANET.NET writes: > ><< Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which have crossed > the boundary between science fiction and reality? > >> > >Didn't Jules Verne invent the submarine when he created the Nauthlius (sp)? >Or at least predicted a better use and control then the Amer. Civil War >illustrated. > >Chris > >-------------------------------------------------- >This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > >Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -- Alison Croggon Home page http://users.bigpond.com/acroggon/ Masthead http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/ -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:52:15 +1100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20011202005830.NZBH12770.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@[161.184.52.247]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arthur C Clarje predicted the satellite.. though I gues you al know that one. The big thing that sf auhtors *didnt* predict, was the computer. Maire Hard SF- November discssion "Darwin's Radio" by Greg Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hardsf Original Fantasy- for the Bored of the Rings http://groups.yahoo.com/group/original_fantasy Soft SF- sociological, anthropological and so on, sf. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soft_sf > -----Original Message----- > From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature > [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Angela Barclay > Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2001 5:05 AM > To: feministsf@UIC.EDU > Subject: [*FSFFU*] fiction/fact > > > Hi all: > > I would like to be able to give some examples of how 'science > fiction became > fact' and how science fictionisms have become adopted into the > lexicon in a > paper I am trying to put together. An example I can think of is the > wholesale adoption of William Gibson's term 'cyberspace.' > > Can you point out discoveries or events which were predicted by science > fiction writers? > > Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which > have crossed > the boundary between science fiction and reality? > > Thanks, > Angela > > p.s. Is my recollection correct that Ursula Le Guin's term > 'ansible' is now > used to name a satellite-like device? > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:10:34 GMT Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Wendy Collver Subject: Re: fiction/fact (Submarines) Comments: To: feministsf@UIC.EDU, Christine Ethier , barclaya@TELUSPLANET.NET In-Reply-To: <54.1eebcfe0.293ae04e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christine Ethier wrote: > Didn't Jules Verne invent the submarine when he created the Nauthlius (sp)? > Or at least predicted a better use and control then the Amer. Civil War > illustrated. You are right in the last bit of information. The first submarine was one of my ancestors' inventions, David Bushnell who invented the "Turtle" submarine in 1776. This was still during the American Revolution. His invention failed to hit a target, and was destroyed. But you can find an interesting chronology at http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno/n87/history/chrono.html which includes your mentionable "Nautilus". Jules Verne, by the way was born in 1828, and his book "20,000 League Under the Sea" was published in 1870. Check that out with the chronology. =) --Wendy. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 07:00:43 -0800 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20011202005830.NZBH12770.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@[161.184.52.247]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Angela Barclay wrote: > Can you point out discoveries or events which were predicted by science > fiction writers? The first and most obvious is the cell phone, which everyone in Heinlein's works carried as a matter of course. The only thing he didn't predict was people using them while driving. > > Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which have crossed > the boundary between science fiction and reality? > > Thanks, > Angela > > p.s. Is my recollection correct that Ursula Le Guin's term 'ansible' is now > used to name a satellite-like device? > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:08:04 +0100 Reply-To: eike.p@t-online.de Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Eike Pierstorff Subject: AW: [*FSFFU*] fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20011202005830.NZBH12770.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@[161.184.52.247]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which have crossed >>the boundary between science fiction and reality? - Larry Niven (in: the "Jigsaw Man" 1967) "invented" the use of convicted criminals as a source for organ transplantation (now said to be done in China). - In "Simulacron-3" (Daniel F. Galouye 1964) there is some kind of virtual reality device - In Kurt Laßwitz "On Two Planets" (Germany 1897) people (well.... martians) use escalators and photocopy. They also have a space station in geosynchronous orbit. - In Heinz Evers "Alraune" (Germany, early 20s I think) there is in vitro-fertilization. (you want to be careful with H.Evers, since he was somewhat on the fascist side. In his book, sperm from a criminal plus ovum from a prostitute results inevitably in a man-killing femme fatale. Hence the Name "Alraune" - a poisonous plant which is supposed to be used by witches). - Jonathan Swift (Gulliver Travels, 1726) predicted the existence of the two moons of Mars and made a quite correct guess at their orbits. - Jules Verne "started" his ship to moon 1866. The spaceport was situated in Florida. - Stanislaw Lem's anticipation of nanotechnology was already mentioned. The book in question could be either "The Invincible" or "Peace on Earth". That's all I can think of at the moment. -- eike -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 07:21:04 -0800 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: SF was there first MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In one of James Schmitz' Trigger Argee novels, a pair of secret agegnts have secretly taken a complete medical profile of Trigger, and when confronted, hand back some "disks." Long before the PC was ever a gleam in the eye of Steve Jobs. Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:24:46 -0800 Reply-To: publicity@mystgalaxy.com Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: fiction / fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vernor Vinge's TRUE NAMES, which is credited for predicting the internet, is to be re-released this month with accompanying scientific essays. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:20:19 +0000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Angela Barclay Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" , feministsf@uic.edu Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ---------- >From: "Laura J. Mixon" >To: feministsf@UIC.EDU >Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] fiction/fact >Date: Sun, Dec 2, 2001, 4:25 AM > > > >Actually, wasn't it Jack Williamson who coined cyberspace, and William >Gibson popularized it? > > Laura: Yours is certainly a question I'd like to know the answer to. As you may know I'm studying how listserve technology influences our reception of FSF. This has led me to a lot of literature on the Internet. The cyber-researchers (and feminist theorists) I have read who name the origin of the term 'cyberspace,' claim the term was coined in William Gibson's _Neuromancer_ (1986). Some of these influential writers include Jenny Wolmark, Donna Haraway and Howard Rheingold. If you are right (and I am confident your knowledge of science fiction is far broader than that of most cyberanthropologists) then a real disservice has been done- likely one of the early researchers like Rheingold (who published in 1993 after studying the WELL for 8 years) made the claim about Gibson and it was adopted as a given. Any other thoughts on this issue? Angela p.s. In which work did Williamson use the term? -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:49:44 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon" Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <20011202191411.BUOR7503.priv-edtnes15-hme0.telusplanet.net@[161.184.52.135]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Angela, I'm not sure about the Williamson thing. I am remembering some talk a couple years ago that it wasn't Gibson who actually coined the term. I know that Williamson has been responsible for a number of terms that have entered the zeitgeist (e.g., cyborg, terraforming) that people often aren't aware of and tend to mistakenly attribute to others, so I may be conflating some memories. It may have been Fred Pohl or someone else who was attributed with the actual original use of cyberspace -- or I could be having a totally senior moment, and it may really have been Gibson. Let me poke around and see what I can find out for you. -l. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:10:06 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Monica Norman Subject: Re: testing - please ignore Comments: To: feministsf@UIC.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Testing. Please ignore. Monica > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:23:58 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Monica Norman Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: feministsf@UIC.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit eike said: > - In Kurt Laßwitz "On Two Planets" (Germany 1897) people (well.... martians) > use escalators and photocopy. They also have a space station in > geosynchronous orbit. I'd always thought the biggest thing about Arthur C Clarke's idea for satellites was the geosynchronous orbit. It's in one of his short stories (can't remember which). But 1897 certainly pre-dates that :-). Does anyone else remember an interview (relatively recent) with the actor that played Dr McCoy on the original Star Trek, where he talked about how some of the smaller hand-held instruments imagined/created for the show have since been invented and come into common use? Like the smaller flip-top cell phones (ST "Communicators"), the hypo spray, and the tiny little ear-speaker that Lt Uhura used?? Ah well, guess I'm not being very helpful :-). But I do remember about "ansible". "ansible" http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/SF-Archives/Ansible/faq.html The answer to the second question. If anyone has never seen it, the Ansible newsletter of the BSFA (British Science Fiction Assoc.) is edited by Dave Langford and always seems to have interesting nuggets of info in it. Monica www.the-dojo.com/mn "Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace." Amelia Earhart > > Hi all: > > > > I would like to be able to give some examples of how 'science > > fiction became > > fact' and how science fictionisms have become adopted into the > > lexicon in a > > paper I am trying to put together. An example I can think of is the > > wholesale adoption of William Gibson's term 'cyberspace.' > > > > Can you point out discoveries or events which were predicted by science > > fiction writers? > > > > Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which > > have crossed > > the boundary between science fiction and reality? > > > > Thanks, > > Angela > > > > p.s. Is my recollection correct that Ursula Le Guin's term > > 'ansible' is now > > used to name a satellite-like device? -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:46:38 EST Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Joy Martin Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/01 7:58:58 AM Central Standard Time, mathews@UNM.EDU writes: << The first and most obvious is the cell phone, which everyone in Heinlein's works carried as a matter of course. The only thing he didn't predict was people using them while driving. >> I guess people used to be smarter in the future. :>)) Did he predict them going off in movie theatres and interrupting peace and quiet everywhere?-Joy Martin -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:46:39 EST Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Joy Martin Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/1/01 8:11:53 PM Central Standard Time, NeilRest@ENTERACT.COM writes: << One of the classics is the FBI's visit to John W. Campbell, Jr., during World War II because Astounding was publishing too much detail about atomic weapons. First, he showed tham that everything was available at the New York Public Library, then he convinced them not to gag him because the sudden silence would be suspicious. >> So now they try to gag the Internet (the NYPublic Library of today).-Joy -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:55:08 -0800 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pat Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <174.f2172.293bfb3e@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Joy Martin wrote: > > << The first and most obvious is the cell phone, which everyone in > Heinlein's works carried as a matter of course. The only thing he didn't > predict was people using them while driving. >> > I guess people used to be smarter in the future. :>)) Did he predict them > going off in movie theatres and interrupting peace and quiet everywhere?-Joy > Martin > n\No, but he predicted people packing them in their luggage so nobody would bug them with unwanted calls. Patricia (Pat) Mathews mathews@unm.edu -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:24:16 +0100 Reply-To: eike.p@t-online.de Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Eike Pierstorff Subject: AW: [*FSFFU*] fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <00dc01c17b6f$49add580$ba5d8bac@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- eike said: >> - In Kurt Laßwitz "On Two Planets" (Germany 1897) people (well.... >>martians) >> use escalators and photocopy. They also have a space station in >> geosynchronous orbit. > >I'd always thought the biggest thing about Arthur C Clarke's idea for >satellites >was the geosynchronous orbit. It's in one of his short stories (can't >remember which). But 1897 certainly pre-dates that :-). Laßwitz was well ahead of him time. And while he was not, of course, a feminist writer, he favoured womens emancipation - in his book, women work as scientists and politicans. At this time, this was quite remarkable in Germany, for biologists like Möbius or Bischoff had "proved" (or so they said) that women were by birth incapable of higher education (one of the reasons women were not allowed to attend university was a wide-spread belief that enhanced brain activity would make them infertile). -- eike -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:41:34 EST Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Joy Martin Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/01 4:53:07 PM Central Standard Time, mathews@UNM.EDU writes: << n\No, but he predicted people packing them in their luggage so nobody would bug them with unwanted calls. >> And instead they carry them everywhere and bug everybody including themselves! I hate it when the predictions are only half right. :>))-Joy -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:37:51 EST Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/2/2001 8:58:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, mathews@UNM.EDU writes: << an you point out discoveries or events which were predicted by science > fiction writers? >> Futility or the Wreck of the Titan by Morgan Robertson predicted the Titanic sinking by fourteen years. Futility was published in 1898. He also wrote a story about blood cells fighting for infection called the "Battle of the Monsters" but deals with ideas already in existence. Chris -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:06:47 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon" Subject: "cyberspace" coinage Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit OK, I've consulted the SF Groupmind, and Gibson did indeed coin "cyberspace." It's the term "cyberpunk" that has the more complicated lineage. -l. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:25:38 +1100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: 2 papers on The Handmaid's Tale, randomly generated by thespark.com Comments: To: fantastic & utopian literature For discussion of feminist SF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C17BFD.FF1B3500" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C17BFD.FF1B3500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there is a "random paper generator" at the spark.com. I thought taht the results of inputting the Handmaid's tale was quite ironic. (your sposed to go through and correct dates and so on) The Handmaid's Tale : A Surrealist Explanation By Maire Shanahan There was no author more notable during the late 17th century than Margaret Atwood. Still, while scholars often feel The Handmaid's Tale is simple, it is one of Atwood's most timeless works. In this paper, it will be proven that The Handmaid's Tale is the most skillful example of Surrealist writing ever created. Support for this claim is present in the following: (a) Atwood's drug-influenced take on irony throughout the book, (b) the Christian theme of revolution in The Handmaid's Tale, and (c) Surrealist overtones in the work's closing scene. First, the sexuality motif in The Handmaid's Tale was not original with Atwood. Consider this famous quote by Jane Austen: "Tuesday was a the bleakest day for the Parkers." Most likely, Atwood's intentions for Ishmael Daniel are ambiguous here. Where many other Cuban writers failed to convincingly portray subversive undertones, Atwood succeeds. This all but proves my thesis, especially when Atwood's employment of destiny in the book is taken into account; Atwood's point here is clear: life and truth are one and the same. Atwood's intelligence is truly evident in The Handmaid's Tale. The author uses iconoclasm to transform Colonel Lewis from a totally brainless bit-player into a famous hero. This becomes predictable only when one considers the book's famous line, "My ideology is quite obvious." (Atwood 92) Any examination of reality is incomplete without addressing the satire of The Handmaid's Tale. While most other French authors conceived of their characters as pre conservative symbols, Atwood's lusted for real reason! The casual critic habitually misses this point. The sun may never set on the empire that is The Handmaid's Tale's lasting influence. Perhaps it's time that scholars reevaluated their estimation of the book. Though famous for portrayals of the tragic hero in other works, Atwood will always be loved for his moving exploration of subversive undertones in this book. This book is perhaps the greatest use of life mankind has ever seen. The End The Handmaid's Tale : Atwood And The Use Of Political Commentary By Maire Shanahan Writers of the late 17th century frequently ignored the themes of satire and sexuality. Margaret Atwood was no exception. To wit, bathos was never so present in Margaret Atwood's work as in the notable novel, The Handmaid's Tale. Below, it will be proven that The Handmaid's Tale's conservative overtones and views on hate are not evidence of Atwood's surrender to reason. This claim is buttressed by three points: (1) the Romantic views of The Handmaid's Tale's protagonist, Colonel Crane, (2) Atwood's adversarial relationship to the late 17th century conservative school while writing the book, and (3) Romantic overtones in the work's latter half. To start, when women dismiss The Handmaid's Tale as a simple non-fiction, all I can say is, how things have changed! Wars have been fought over less. Nonetheless, we must be careful in making assumptions. The Handmaid's Tale is, like all of Atwood's great works, a triumph over the loss of innocence of the human condition. Where many other Ottoman writers failed to convincingly portray the journey, Atwood succeeds. As pure allegory, The Handmaid's Tale was assailed for such statements; it is also transparent that scholars--by seeing him as an avatar of Atwood's pre Colonialist views--have misinterpreted the character Holden Stephenson's role in the book. The social commentary motif in The Handmaid's Tale was not original with Atwood. Consider this famous quote by Jane Austen: "There was hope in her eyes; in his, hope of a different kind." The Minimalist implications of this are wide-ranging. Of course, like all great works, The Handmaid's Tale has its flaws! Mr. Lee is a ponderous character for this very reason; Benvolio Caulfield is a surprisingly notable character. The sun may never set on the empire that is The Handmaid's Tale's lasting influence. Perhaps it's time that scholars reevaluated their estimation of the book. Though famous for portrayals of bathos in other works, Atwood will always be loved for his skillful employment of political commentary in this book. The Great Muse certainly smiled on Atwood when The Handmaid's Tale was written. The End Hard SF- November discssion "Darwin's Radio" by Greg Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hardsf Original Fantasy- for the Bored of the Rings http://groups.yahoo.com/group/original_fantasy Soft SF- sociological, anthropological and so on, sf. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soft_sf ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C17BFD.FF1B3500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
there is a=20 "random paper generator" at the spark.com. I thought taht the results of = inputting the Handmaid's tale was quite ironic. (your sposed to go = through and=20 correct dates and so on)
 
 
The Handmaid's Tale : A Surrealist = Explanation=20
By Maire Shanahan

There was no author more notable during the = late 17th=20 century than Margaret Atwood. Still, while scholars often feel The = Handmaid's=20 Tale is simple, it is one of Atwood's most timeless works. In this = paper, it=20 will be proven that The Handmaid's Tale is the most skillful = example of=20 Surrealist writing ever created. Support for this claim is present in = the=20 following: (a) Atwood's drug-influenced take on irony throughout the = book, (b)=20 the Christian theme of revolution in The Handmaid's Tale, and (c) = Surrealist overtones in the work's closing scene.

First, the sexuality motif in The Handmaid's = Tale=20 was not original with Atwood. Consider this famous quote by Jane Austen: = "Tuesday was a the bleakest day for the Parkers." Most likely, Atwood's=20 intentions for Ishmael Daniel are ambiguous here. Where many other Cuban = writers=20 failed to convincingly portray subversive undertones, Atwood succeeds. = This all=20 but proves my thesis, especially when Atwood's employment of destiny in = the book=20 is taken into account; Atwood's point here is clear: life and truth are = one and=20 the same.

Atwood's intelligence is truly evident in = The=20 Handmaid's Tale. The author uses iconoclasm to transform Colonel = Lewis from=20 a totally brainless bit-player into a famous hero. This becomes = predictable only=20 when one considers the book's famous line, "My ideology is quite = obvious."=20 (Atwood 92)

Any examination of reality is incomplete = without=20 addressing the satire of The Handmaid's Tale. While most other = French=20 authors conceived of their characters as pre conservative symbols, = Atwood's=20 lusted for real reason! The casual critic habitually misses this point. =

The sun may never set on the empire that is = The=20 Handmaid's Tale's lasting influence. Perhaps it's time that scholars = reevaluated their estimation of the book. Though famous for portrayals = of the=20 tragic hero in other works, Atwood will always be loved for his moving=20 exploration of subversive undertones in this book. This book is perhaps = the=20 greatest use of life mankind has ever seen.

The End 
The Handmaid's Tale : Atwood And The Use Of Political Commentary =
By Maire Shanahan

Writers of the late 17th century frequently ignored the themes of = satire and=20 sexuality. Margaret Atwood was no exception. To wit, bathos was never so = present=20 in Margaret Atwood's work as in the notable novel, The Handmaid's = Tale.=20 Below, it will be proven that The Handmaid's Tale's conservative=20 overtones and views on hate are not evidence of Atwood's = surrender to=20 reason. This claim is buttressed by three points: (1) the Romantic views = of=20 The Handmaid's Tale's protagonist, Colonel Crane, (2) Atwood's=20 adversarial relationship to the late 17th century conservative school = while=20 writing the book, and (3) Romantic overtones in the work's latter half.=20

To start, when women dismiss The Handmaid's Tale as a simple=20 non-fiction, all I can say is, how things have changed! Wars have been = fought=20 over less. Nonetheless, we must be careful in making assumptions.=20

The Handmaid's Tale is, like all of Atwood's great works, a = triumph=20 over the loss of innocence of the human condition. Where many other = Ottoman=20 writers failed to convincingly portray the journey, Atwood succeeds. As = pure=20 allegory, The Handmaid's Tale was assailed for such statements; = it is=20 also transparent that scholars--by seeing him as an avatar of Atwood's = pre=20 Colonialist views--have misinterpreted the character Holden Stephenson's = role in=20 the book.=20

The social commentary motif in The Handmaid's Tale was not = original=20 with Atwood. Consider this famous quote by Jane Austen: "There was hope = in her=20 eyes; in his, hope of a different kind." The Minimalist implications of = this are=20 wide-ranging. Of course, like all great works, The Handmaid's = Tale has=20 its flaws! Mr. Lee is a ponderous character for this very reason; = Benvolio=20 Caulfield is a surprisingly notable character.=20

The sun may never set on the empire that is The Handmaid's = Tale's=20 lasting influence. Perhaps it's time that scholars reevaluated their = estimation=20 of the book. Though famous for portrayals of bathos in other works, = Atwood will=20 always be loved for his skillful employment of political commentary in = this=20 book. The Great Muse certainly smiled on Atwood when The Handmaid's = Tale=20 was written.

The End
 

Hard SF- November  = discssion  "Darwin's Radio" by = Greg Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/gro= up/hardsf =20
Original Fantasy- for the = Bored of the=20 Rings
http://groups.yah= oo.com/group/original_fantasy=20
Soft SF- sociological, = anthropological=20 and so on, sf.
http://groups.yahoo.com/gr= oup/soft_sf=20

 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C17BFD.FF1B3500-- -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:05:31 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Joell Smith Subject: Re: 2 papers on The Handmaid's Tale, randomly generated by thespark.com Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C17BEA.6C3411C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C17BEA.6C3411C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh dear, except for the essentially correct grammar, this looks an awful = lot like some of my student's papers.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Maire=20 To: feministsf@UIC.EDU=20 Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: [*FSFFU*] 2 papers on The Handmaid's Tale, randomly generated = by thespark.com there is a "random paper generator" at the spark.com. I thought taht = the results of inputting the Handmaid's tale was quite ironic. (your = sposed to go through and correct dates and so on) ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C17BEA.6C3411C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh dear, except for the essentially = correct=20 grammar, this looks an awful lot like some of my student's=20 papers....
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Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 = 9:25=20 PM
Subject: [*FSFFU*] 2 papers on = The=20 Handmaid's Tale, randomly generated by thespark.com

there is a=20 "random paper generator" at the spark.com. I thought taht the results = of=20 inputting the Handmaid's tale was quite ironic. (your sposed to go = through and=20 correct dates and so on)
 
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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:58:27 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Patricia Mathews Subject: Re: SF was there first (fwd) Comments: To: FeministSF List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:31 PM -0800 From: Paulette Nelson To: Pat Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] SF was there first Hi Pat, My accounts won't let me post to the list, but perhaps you would forward this for me, or respond if you like... Yes! I've always been curious why no one has ever credited James Schmitz with the "notebook" computer idea that he writes about in the _Universe against her_. The new version edited by Flint and Gordon has changed the idea somewhat "quote": "She locked the door behind her, opened the unpacked valise, took out a pocket edition law library and sat down at the table with it. She clicked on the library's view-screen, tapped the clearing and index buttons. Half a minute later, she was glancing over the legal section on which Dr. Droon had based his claim. The library confirmed what he had said." But the 1964 version (could have my old version had a copyright date of 1955) actually uses a slightly different description and makes it sound more like a "notebook". I'm also curious if this happens often ... that someone takes an "original" text and edits or changes the concepts and then has it re-published as it appears to have been done in this case. FYI, there is web information regarding this at: http://66.56.41.156:8080/Schmitz/ Paulette On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Pat wrote: > In one of James Schmitz' Trigger Argee novels, a pair of secret agegnts > have secretly taken a complete medical profile of Trigger, and when > confronted, hand back some "disks." Long before the PC was ever a gleam in > the eye of Steve Jobs. > > Patricia (Pat) Mathews > mathews@unm.edu > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Pat -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:47:54 -0400 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Patricia Monk Subject: Re: SF was there first Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If my memory serves me, the hero of Arthur C. Clarke's _Imperial Earth_ 1976) has a "Minisec" which seems to me to be very similar to the current crop of Palmpilots (none of which I actually own, so I can't be sure). See the beginning of Chapter 18: Embassy, for a description. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:04:53 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Michael J. Lowrey" Organization: UWM Cultures & Communities Program Subject: Re: SF was there first Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patricia Monk wrote: > > If my memory serves me, the hero of Arthur C. Clarke's > _Imperial Earth_ 1976) has a "Minisec" which seems to me to > be very similar to the current crop of Palmpilots (none of > which I actually own, so I can't be sure). See the > beginning of Chapter 18: Embassy, for a description. There is a minor Asimov short story ("The Fun They Had", perhaps?) where he mentions in passing what are clearly pocket calculators (complete with the minor detail that the digits were red) decades before they existed, far less became popular. -- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey Sunrise Book Reviews -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:13:04 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Terri Wakefield Subject: War for the Oaks Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu Comments: cc: feministsf@uic.edu Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This months BDG read, is War for the Oaks by Emma Bull. I found it to be delightful! The characters were lovable, the plot moved quickly, and it was basically pretty upbeat, with lots of Phouka humor throughout. A little background........ War for the Oaks is a reissue, originally published in 1987, and considered to be a classic of Urban Fantasy. Reading it for the first time I did not find any of the material, even the music, to be dated. WFO won the Locus Award for Best First Novel. Interestingly, Emma later went on to form a duo with the Fabulous Lorraine, named The Flash Girls. They won the Minnesota Music Award for Best World Folk Band. Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, and Jane Yolen, among others are featured on their cd¹s. I would say that Emma Bull is probably a bit fey in addition to her War for the Oaks character Eddi McCandry . A few questions....... Did you find the human characters, the Seelie, and Unseelie believable? Who did you consider to be the most likable? The most despicable? How did you feel about the various battle scenes? Did others get the feeling War for the Oaks had a bit of an anti war statement to it? Terri -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:31:47 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Terri Wakefield Subject: Emma Bull Sites Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu Comments: cc: feministsf@uic.edu Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A few interesting Emma Bull sites......... http://realitybreak.sff.net/archive/bull.htp http://www.qnet.com/~raven/emma.html http://www.player.org/pub/flash/flash.html http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/Emma_Bull.htm Terri -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:35:01 -0800 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Dave Samuelson Subject: Re: fiction/fact Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Curiously enough, Murray Leinster imagined the computer, as a communications device with a personality, in "A Logic Named Joe" (ca. 1927?). Cyrano de Bergerac imagined boxes in the wall that played music and voices, back in the 17th century. Automata, created beings with intelligence, and alien contact in literature far precede their realization (I assume the latter has not happened yet, though some human beings allegedly set foot on an alien planet, the moon). If you are looking for specific predictions, the field narrows considerably. We can always nitpick on the specifics. Dave Samuelson Maire wrote: > Arthur C Clarje predicted the satellite.. though I gues you al know that > one. > The big thing that sf auhtors *didnt* predict, was the computer. > Maire > > Hard SF- November discssion "Darwin's Radio" by Greg Bear > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hardsf > Original Fantasy- for the Bored of the Rings > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/original_fantasy > Soft SF- sociological, anthropological and so on, sf. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soft_sf > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature > > [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Angela Barclay > > Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2001 5:05 AM > > To: feministsf@UIC.EDU > > Subject: [*FSFFU*] fiction/fact > > > > > > Hi all: > > > > I would like to be able to give some examples of how 'science > > fiction became > > fact' and how science fictionisms have become adopted into the > > lexicon in a > > paper I am trying to put together. An example I can think of is the > > wholesale adoption of William Gibson's term 'cyberspace.' > > > > Can you point out discoveries or events which were predicted by science > > fiction writers? > > > > Can you give examples of words, concepts or philosophies which > > have crossed > > the boundary between science fiction and reality? > > > > Thanks, > > Angela > > > > p.s. Is my recollection correct that Ursula Le Guin's term > > 'ansible' is now > > used to name a satellite-like device? > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > > unsubscribe feministsf > > > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:40:38 +1100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maire Subject: Re: War for the Oaks Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Im sorry to be a total pain... I have had major probs ordering in my inter-library loans (library keeps on "losing" my requests and so on) but War for the Oaks and Illicit Passage are due in the next 2 days.. I will read them straight away, but could people just say whether or not their War for the Oaks posts have spoilers or not? Sorry- I know we are sposed to have read the books by now... Maire Hard SF- November discssion "Darwin's Radio" by Greg Bear http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hardsf Original Fantasy- for the Bored of the Rings http://groups.yahoo.com/group/original_fantasy Soft SF- sociological, anthropological and so on, sf. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soft_sf > -----Original Message----- > From: For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature > [mailto:feministsf@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Terri Wakefield > Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2001 6:13 AM > To: feministsf@UIC.EDU > Subject: [*FSFFU*] War for the Oaks > > > This months BDG read, is War for the Oaks by Emma Bull. I found it to be > delightful! The characters were lovable, the plot moved quickly, > and it was > basically pretty upbeat, with lots of Phouka humor throughout. > > A little background........ War for the Oaks is a reissue, > originally published in 1987, and considered to be a classic of Urban > Fantasy. Reading it for the first time I did not find any of the material, > even the music, to be dated. WFO won the Locus Award for Best First Novel. > Interestingly, Emma later went on to form a duo with the Fabulous > Lorraine, > named The Flash Girls. They won the Minnesota Music Award for Best World > Folk Band. Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, and Jane Yolen, among others are > featured on their cd¹s. > I would say that Emma Bull is probably a bit fey in addition to > her War for > the Oaks character Eddi McCandry . > > A few questions....... > Did you find the human characters, the Seelie, and Unseelie believable? > > Who did you consider to be the most likable? The most despicable? > > How did you feel about the various battle scenes? > > Did others get the feeling War for the Oaks had a bit of an anti war > statement to it? > > Terri > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:33:49 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon" Subject: Re: SF was there first Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: <3C0BBACA.D81C257D@hfx.eastlink.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 12/3/01 11:47 AM, Patricia Monk at pmonk@HFX.EASTLINK.CA wrote: > If my memory serves me, the hero of Arthur C. Clarke's > _Imperial Earth_ 1976) has a "Minisec" which seems to me to > be very similar to the current crop of Palmpilots (none of > which I actually own, so I can't be sure). See the > beginning of Chapter 18: Embassy, for a description. Indeed. I had handheld "kellies" in my Avatars universe books from 1991 that were essentially souped-up palm-tops. But there were laptops by this time, so that wasn't so surprising. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:15:55 -0800 Reply-To: publicity@mystgalaxy.com Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Maryelizabeth Hart Organization: Mysterious Galaxy Subject: Emma Bull Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit her pretty sparse home page http://homepage.mac.com/emmawill/ Maryelizabeth -- ******************************************************************* Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: 858.268.4747 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: 858.268.4775 San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: 1.800.811.4747 http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com ******************************************************************* -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:49:38 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Rose Reith Subject: Fwd: [broaduniverse] Adding SF to the OED... Comments: To: FEMINISTSF-LIT@listserv.uic.edu, feministsf@UIC.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi, Just got this on another list - This site might be helpful, and it certainly is interesting, in the quest for science fiction ideas becoming reality - at least as far as how old the sf ideas are... Rose > > > >I'm not quite this much of a word-geek, but I suspect some of y'all >are...enjoy! > >http://66.108.177.107/SF/sf_citations.shtml > >"This page is a pilot effort for the Oxford English Dictionary, in which >the words associated with a special field of interest are collected so >that knowledgable aficionados can help the OED find useful examples of >these words. This, our first project, is science fiction literature." > > - Mary Anne > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mary Anne Mohanraj (http://www.mamohanraj.com) >Editor-in-Chief: Strange Horizons (http://www.strangehorizons.com) >Founding Editor: Clean Sheets (http://www.cleansheets.com) > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >See What You've Been Missing! >Amazing Wireless Video Camera. >Click here >http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/_nkqlB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >broaduniverse-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- 'As a woman I have no country. As a woman my country is the whole world.' Virginia Woolf -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:38:53 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: OED Project Comments: To: TIMEBINDERS@sflovers.org, "Isaacl@yahoogroups.com" , SF-LIT@sun8.loc.gov Comments: cc: "sciencefiction-l@listserv.indiana.edu" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just in case anyone hasn't seen this project/request: -----Original Message----- From: Bud Webster Follow this URL (http://66.108.177.107/SF/sf_citations.shtml) and help the OED people find whatever citations they need in the sf field. We were BORN to do this. -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:42:52 -0800 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Jo Ann Rangel Subject: The Female Man Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was cleaning out my bookshelves and found I have an extra copy of The Female Man. Does anyone want it for the cost of a couple bucks postage? Media rate should be under two dollars. Let me know if you are interested thanks 8) Jo Ann Rangel -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:17:24 -0700 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Anita Weingarten Subject: Re: The Female Man Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would love to get it. Just let me know where to send the check. Thanks, Anita Weingarten ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Ann Rangel To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: [*FSFFU*] The Female Man > I was cleaning out my bookshelves and found I have an extra copy of The > Female Man. Does anyone want it for the cost of a couple bucks postage? > Media rate should be under two dollars. Let me know if you are interested > thanks 8) > > Jo Ann Rangel > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:09:50 +0000 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Angela Barclay Subject: Re: OED Project Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for directing us to this site. Here's a couple of snippets in case anyone else wants to go browsing: Hunting for the earliest citations of sf words [ SF Home | Science Fiction | SF Criticism | SF Fandom ] This page is a pilot effort for the Oxford English Dictionary, in which the words associated with a special field of interest are collected so that knowledgable aficionados can help the OED find useful examples of these words. This, our first project, is science fiction literature. This list is not meant to be a glossary of SF terminology: it is only a list of those terms that the OED has a particular need to have researched. Certain terms have been excluded from this list because we know beyond doubt that we have the earliest possible example, the circumstances of the coinage being known. These include dalek, robot, and grok. There is no need to point out the absence of these words. An example of how a citation is posted: ansible (n.) antedating 1966 (LeGuin, Rocannon's Worldl) Mike Christie submitted a cite from LeGuin, Rocannon's World (1966). (Earliest cite in the OED: 1974) **I hope they continue to work on this project. I also hope that they look to more female authored works- in a quick peruse the only names I saw mentioned were Norton, Le Guin and Bradley- while many words were attributed to Pohl, Heinlein and Gibson. ---------- >From: Todd Mason >To: feministsf@UIC.EDU >Subject: [*FSFFU*] OED Project >Date: Thu, Dec 6, 2001, 12:38 AM > >Just in case anyone hasn't seen this project/request: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bud Webster > >Follow this URL (http://66.108.177.107/SF/sf_citations.shtml) and help the >OED people find whatever citations they need in the sf field. > >We were BORN to do this. > -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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