Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0202B" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:41:54 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Todd Mason Subject: 50 F&SF Works that Socialists Should Read Comments: To: "sciencefiction-l@listserv.indiana.edu" , SF-LIT@sun8.loc.gov Comments: cc: "isaacl@yahoogroups.com" , "ttalkback@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Here's the link: http://www.sfsite.com/fm/show.html?rw,50socialist,1 (sorry for redundancy, if any, and thanks to Marty Halpern for pointing this out. TM...who might further recommend Charles Platt's FREE ZONE) -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:00:21 +1100 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Alison Croggon Subject: Re: 50 F&SF Works that Socialists Should Read Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I notice they list Bulgakov's The Master and Marguerita, one of my all-time top books ever. But it says it's "unbelievable it got past the censor". My memory is that the book didn't, and wasn't published in Bulgakov's lifetime; though maybe I'm confusing it with his brilliant plays, which certainly didn't, or maybe I'm just thinking of its publication in the West, which wasn't I think until the 80s. And what about Heart of a Dog? Alison >Here's the link: >http://www.sfsite.com/fm/show.html?rw,50socialist,1 > >(sorry for redundancy, if any, and thanks to Marty Halpern for pointing this >out. TM...who might further recommend Charles Platt's FREE ZONE) > >-------------------------------------------------- >This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for >discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To >unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > >Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. -- Alison Croggon Home page http://www.users.bigpond.com/acroggon/ Masthead online http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/ -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:01:24 -0600 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: "Laura J. Mixon" Subject: FW: the poll Comments: To: feministsf@uic.edu In-Reply-To: <3C69B2D7.DF8723AB@verizon.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What Susan Casper said... ---------- From: Susan Casper Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:27:03 -0500 Subject: the poll I just thought some of you might want to sway the vote here. http://www.msnbc.com/news/692121.asp -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:06:55 -0800 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Pamela Large Subject: Re: FW: the poll Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura J. Mixon" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: [*FSFFU*] FW: the poll > What Susan Casper said... > > > ---------- > From: Susan Casper > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:27:03 -0500 > Subject: the poll > > I just thought some of you might want to sway the vote here. > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/692121.asp > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe feministsf > > Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:37:46 -0500 Reply-To: judithberman@earthlink.net Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Judith Berman Subject: Re: 50 F&SF Works that Socialists Should Read Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison Croggon wrote: > > I notice they list Bulgakov's The Master and Marguerita, one of my > all-time top books ever. But it says it's "unbelievable it got past > the censor". My memory is that the book didn't, and wasn't published > in Bulgakov's lifetime; though maybe I'm confusing it with his > brilliant plays, which certainly didn't, or maybe I'm just thinking > of its publication in the West, which wasn't I think until the 80s. > > And what about Heart of a Dog? THE MASTER AND MARGARITA is also one of my all-time favorite books. The story I heard is that Bulgakov told no one about the book in his lifetime (his dates are 1891-1940) except for his wife, and entrusted the manuscript to her to keep until such time as it could be published. The first Soviet publication of MM came in 1966-7 and it was in an Soviet Army magazine, of all things. This version of the book was censored and it is the one which Mirra Ginsburg translated -- by far the best English translation, but of course incomplete. (I have it as a 1967 Grove Press paperback -- don't know if it's still available). Some time later -- in the early 1980s maybe?? -- the Soviet government finally allowed publication of the uncensored manuscript and there are one or two English translations of that. It is interesting and at times amusing to see what the censors objected to. Bulgakov's plays may not have been published in his lifetime but at least some of them were performed. Those were quite successful and popular though constantly under attack from party-line critics. Supposedly he was Stalin's favorite playwright and when censors threatened to shut a Bulgakov play down, Stalin would intervene personally. Bulgakov was supposedly a monarchist, BTW, and approved of Stalin in a limited sort of way on those grounds. I'm not sure here if what I'm passing on is merely Soviet literary folklore or has some documentary basis. After 1930 B was unable to publish or get his plays produced, and worked for the Moscow Art Theatre with Stanislavsky, adapting works of other writers for the stage among other things. MM was written between 1928 and 1940. My Russian edition of "Heart of a Dog" was published in Paris in 1969, I assume copied from an uncredited Soviet publication, which was common at the time. The introduction states that the story was completed in 1925 but not published in his lifetime. Judith -------------------------------------------------- This is the feministsf listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe feministsf Contact feministsf-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:09:33 -0500 Reply-To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" Sender: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" From: Cynthea Organization: Prodigy Internet Subject: Master and Margarita Comments: To: "For discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C1B43B.DC1C5900" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C1B43B.DC1C5900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was to present a paper in Russia on the application of vector theory = to literature and drama. I had written the paper for another = conference, and rewrote to use mostly Russian examples of literature as = a courtesy to my hosts. So, I read the wonderful Master and Margareta = just before going to Russia. To read a book like that and then = immediately arrive in the setting of the book is quite an experience. = Apparently some of my other examples of Russian literature had not been = read by my audience because they had been banned. However, my KGB = translator decided I should go ahead and mention those stories (which = were by leading Russian authors) because "they should know of those = stories!" I must also admit that I read Dead Souls while I was there, = and my husband and I found it very useful in explaining and preparing us = for the ways of Russian people.=20 Cynthia Check out my sf novel Zollocco at Bookbooters.com ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C1B43B.DC1C5900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was to present a paper in Russia on = the=20 application of vector theory to literature and drama.  I had = written the=20 paper for another conference, and rewrote to use mostly Russian examples = of=20 literature as a courtesy to my hosts.  So, I read the wonderful = Master and=20 Margareta just before going to Russia.  To read a book like that = and then=20 immediately arrive in the setting of the book is quite an = experience. =20 Apparently some of my other examples of Russian literature had not been = read by=20 my audience because they had been banned.  However, my KGB = translator=20 decided I should go ahead and mention those stories (which were by = leading=20 Russian authors) because "they should know of those stories!"  I = must also=20 admit that I read Dead Souls while I was there, and my husband and I = found it=20 very useful in explaining and preparing us for the ways of Russian = people.=20
 
Cynthia
 
 
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