Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0208C" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:50:37 EDT Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Christine Ethier Subject: 2 questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.2c0c2bf8.2a927bdd_boundary" --part1_7d.2c0c2bf8.2a927bdd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I was wondering, does anyone recommand Kate Elliot's Jaran series? I have read her other series and was wondering if the Jaran is good or simply the same thing in another setting. Also has anyone else read the Sun Sword series by Michelle West? Christine -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. --part1_7d.2c0c2bf8.2a927bdd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I was wondering, does anyone  recommand Kate Elliot's Jaran series?  I have read her other series and was wondering if the Jaran is good or simply the same thing in another setting.

Also has anyone else read the Sun Sword series by Michelle West?

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Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. --part1_7d.2c0c2bf8.2a927bdd_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:27:58 -0500 Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Catherine Asaro Subject: Jaran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--GW-30478.35-Mailman--" ----GW-30478.35-Mailman-- Content-Type: text/plain; Charset="US-ASCII" > I was wondering, does anyone recommand Kate Elliot's Jaran series? I have > read her other series and was wondering if the Jaran is good or simply the > same thing in another setting. I enjoyed her Jaran series a great deal. I really liked the characterizations, the world-building, the complexity of the plot,and also the cultural development of the people. I would give it a high recommendation. Best Catherine Asaro -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ----GW-30478.35-Mailman---- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:46:28 -0700 Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Monica Bielke Subject: Re: 2 questions Comments: To: FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU In-Reply-To: <7d.2c0c2bf8.2a927bdd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Christine wrote: > >I was wondering, does anyone recommand Kate Elliot's Jaran series? I > have read her other series and was wondering if the Jaran is good or > simply the same thing in another setting. I haven't read the other series, I must confess. I did enjoy the Jaran series a lot. It's been a few years since I read it (and I've slept since then :-), but I remember enjoying the contrasts and parallels experienced by the Earth humans as they moved between the more "primitive" but socially-complex life led by people on the planet, and the very advanced aliens, with their rather mystifying language and social customs, that have benevolently taken over Earth and its allied planets. (hope that makes sense, it's late here :-)) Monica www.the-dojo.com/mn (updated 19 July, 2002) "Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace." Amelia Earhart -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:02:14 +1000 Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Maire Subject: Re: Jaran Comments: To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for this question, and answer.. I have the Jaran book and I have been wondering teh same thing. Actually, I would like any recomendations on good imaginary world fantasy, that is not sexist... the adolescent male attitude towards women is epidemic in epic fantasy. Maire > -----Original Message----- > From: friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature > and other media [mailto:FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Catherine Asaro > Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:28 PM > To: FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU > Subject: [*FSFFU*] Jaran > > > > I was wondering, does anyone recommand Kate Elliot's Jaran > series? I have > > read her other series and was wondering if the Jaran is good or > simply the > > same thing in another setting. > > I enjoyed her Jaran series a great deal. I really liked the > characterizations, > the world-building, the complexity of the plot,and also the cultural > development of the people. I would give it a high recommendation. > > Best > Catherine Asaro > > -------------------------------------------------- > This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for > discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To > unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: > unsubscribe FEMINISTSF > > Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. > -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:48:26 -0700 Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Jennifer Krauel Subject: Re: Jaran Comments: To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020820061105.00ba8e00@the-dojo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Actually, we discussed Jaran in the book discussion group in April 1999. I saved over 60 messages on the discussion. You can view the BDG archive for this at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/1304/archives/bdg_jaran.txt Jennifer -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:57:34 EDT Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Christine Ethier Subject: Re: Jaran/ series recomendations Comments: To: FEMINISTSF@uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_185.d09b928.2a94316e_boundary" --part1_185.d09b928.2a94316e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/20/2002 11:10:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, mairen@BIGPOND.COM writes: > Thanks for this question, and answer.. I have the Jaran book and I have been > wondering teh same thing. Actually, I would like any recomendations on > good > imaginary world fantasy, that is not sexist... the adolescent male attitude > towards women is epidemic in epic fantasy Thanks to all who answered the Jaren questions. I would reccommand the Sun Sword series by Michelle West, the Broken Crown being the first. The series takes place in two empires, one where women have a secondary role and one where they don't. THe main focus is on the empire where women have the inferior roles (except for the Vanyi, gypshies) but the main character is female and mananges to take control of her destiny and in fact the kingdom's. You could also try the Deeds of Parkisnoon by Elizabeth Moon. It's about a woman merc. Though, can anyone tell me why woman mecenaries always get raped before they become mecenaries? It gets repeatitive. Tad Williams Memory, Sorrow and Thorn was good, I thought. Also there is Judith Tarr's Dagger and Cross and Alamut. Sean Russel got a good review in the Year's Best Fantasy and Horror, but I personally don't know. Maybe some else does. Also the Fey series by Kristine Katherine Rusch. Christine -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. --part1_185.d09b928.2a94316e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/20/2002 11:10:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, mairen@BIGPOND.COM writes:


Thanks for this question, and answer.. I have the Jaran book and I have been
wondering teh same thing.  Actually, I would like any recomendations on good
imaginary world fantasy, that is not sexist... the adolescent male attitude
towards women is epidemic in epic fantasy


Thanks to all who answered the Jaren questions.

I would reccommand the Sun Sword series by Michelle West, the Broken Crown being the first.  The series takes place in two empires, one where women have a secondary role and one where they don't.  THe main focus is on the empire where women have the inferior roles (except for the Vanyi, gypshies) but the main character is female and mananges to take control of her destiny and in fact the kingdom's.

You could also try the Deeds of Parkisnoon by Elizabeth Moon.  It's about a woman merc.  Though, can anyone tell me why woman mecenaries always get raped before they become mecenaries?  It gets repeatitive.

Tad Williams Memory, Sorrow and Thorn was good, I thought.  Also there is Judith Tarr's Dagger and Cross and Alamut.
Sean Russel got a good review in the Year's Best Fantasy and Horror, but I personally don't know.  Maybe some else does.

Also the Fey series by Kristine Katherine Rusch.

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