Subject: File: "FEMINISTSF LOG0211" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:34:29 +0000 Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Angela Barclay Subject: [*FSFFU*] posting by subject Comments: To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" To: FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU Hi All: I am enjoying and learning tons from your civil debate on feminism . . . separatism etc. Could you please alter your subject line, as Cynthia has done, to show what sub-topic you are posting on? I was tempted to delete the overwhelming number of messages entitled "Gender, Myth and Star Wars" until I realized the conversation had changed direction. Thanks, Angela ---------- >From: Cynthia Childs >To: FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU >Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] [*FSF-L*] Separatism >Date: Sun, Nov 3, 2002, 4:43 PM > -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:45:34 +0100 Reply-To: p.mayerhofer@web.de Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: [*FSFFU*] BDG Schedule Reminder, Nov. 3 Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu, feministsf@uic.edu To: FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU The next BDG discussion starts tomorrow. The November book is Babel-17, by Samuel R. Delany (originally published in 1966) (publication info further below) Janice, who nominated the book for discussion, will post a kick-off message. The kick-off is intended as a clear signal to start but you don't have to wait for it, you can jump right in. The kick-off by the person who originally nominated the book was introduced because people often were reluctant or uncertain to start the discussion. You can also still post messages on the BDG October book, The Books of Great Alta, by Jane Yolen. The upcoming discussions within the BDG on the feministsf-lit list are Dec. 2 The Saga of the Renunciates, by Marion Zimmer Bradley (1976-1983) Jan. 6 Perdido Street Station, by China MiÈville (2000) Feb. 3 The Silver Metal Lover, by Tanith Lee (1981) Bradleys _The Saga of the Renunciates_ comprises _The Shattered Chain_ (originally published in 1976), _Thendara House_ (1983), and _City of Sorcery_ (1983). Currently availabe editions of upcoming BDG books: Bradley, Marion Zimmer: The Saga of the Renunciates. Daw Books; ISBN: 0756400929, List Price: $8.99 Delany, Samuel R: Babel-17. Vintage Books; ISBN: 0375706690; 2 Bks in 1 edition -- b/w EMPIRE STAR; 288 pp; List Price $12. Lee, Tanith: The Silver Metal Lover. Bantam Books; ISBN: 0553581279; 304 pp; List Price $5.99. MiÈville, China: Perdido Street Station. Tor Books; ISBN: 0312854064; 720 pp; List Price $11.95. The UK edition is published by Pan, ISBN: 0330392891; 880 pp; List Price £7.99 There are other editions of these books, in print or not. A visit to your public library might be worthwhile. The next selection round for the BDG will be in January 2003. Join the discussions! Get the upcoming books! Petra -- Petra Mayerhofer p.mayerhofer@web.de www.feministische-sf.de *************************************************************************** The BDG provides a forum for focusing discussion on a particular book during a one month period. The books discussed are nominated and chosen in advance by a vote of all members of the FSFFU-L list serve who choose to vote. Other books can be discussed in parallel to the BDG, of course, and past and future BDG books can be discussed at any time on the list. The difference to a 'normal' list discussion is that in BDG messages spoilers (for the BDG book under discussion) do not have to be pointed out, the 'BDG' in the subject line is the actual spoiler warning. If you have any other questions about the Book Discussion Group (BDG), it's selections, previous discussions or the Feminist Science Fiction, Fantasy and Utopias Literature List Serve (FSFFU-L), you can find much of it at the BDG website at http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= X-Errors-To: clchilds@magenta.ucdavis.edu X-Originating-IP: [169.237.16.157] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 08:43:53 -0800 Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Cynthia Childs Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] [*FSF-L*] Separatism To: FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU > It's not > about who you live with, who you sleep with, and whether you do or do not > talk to men (gee, how does that work I wonder, when you have to get a job? or > get an automobile license? or just about anything in the world. Do you > pretend to be a mute and use sign language? But that's still talking isn't > it?) Separatism: Back in the 80°Øs I was in a martial art studio warming up on the mat before class started. A woman who had wandered in off the street to check out the class came over to me to ask some questions. Her big question was, °∞Do you have to work out with (ugh) the men?°± Reality check time. I told her, °∞Maybe your big fear is going out to your car in a parking lot at night and getting jumped, beat up, and raped by a 130- pound woman. My big fear is getting jumped by a 200-pound man! Of course, I work out with the men!°± She didn°Øt sign up. There were a number of all-women self-defense classes forming all over town in those days, I presume she went to one of those. About six months later I was jumped and I acquitted myself pretty damn well. - Cyn -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:14:56 -0600 Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Todd Mason Subject: [*FSFFU*] Radio stuff: Octavia Butler on RADIO TIMES, George Plimpton and H .G. Wells on TODD MUNDT SHOW Comments: To: "sciencefiction-l@listserv.indiana.edu" , "fictionmags@yahoogroups.com" , SF-LIT@sun8.loc.gov, "isaacl@yahoogroups.com" Comments: cc: Virginia Ely To: FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU Octavia Butler will be the guest on the second hour of WHYY 90.9 FM's RADIO TIMES tomorrow, Tuesday, Nov. 5 at 11am. Web-listeners should seek www.whyy.org and check the webstreaming under FM91 and Radio Times. Or check the archive a day later. PARIS REVIEW editor and "participatory journalist" and occasional actor George Plimpton was one of today's TODD MUNDT SHOW guests, the show to be fed out webwise tonight at 8pm ET; tomorrow's show will address the HG Wells as plagiarist in re: OUTLINE OF HISTORY charges. http://www.toddshow.org/ -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:22:15 -0800 Reply-To: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Bridgett Torrence Subject: Re: [*FSFFU*] World Fantasy Awards Comments: To: FEMINISTSF@uic.edu To: FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU Thanks, Maryelizabeth! For those who want the complete list, it is up at Locus: http://www.locusmag.com/2002/News/News11Log.html I have always wanted to attend Worldcon. Maybe I'll make it to AZ in 2004. In the meantime, I'll have to settle for the Harry Potter Fantasy Faire in Oceanside, CA, which is bound to be great since Mysterious Galaxy is featured. Bridgett Maryelizabeth Hart wrote: > FYI -- don't think these have been mentioned here > > >> World Fantasy Awards >> Winners announced November 3 in Minneapolis. >> >> Best Novel: THE OTHER WIND by Ursula K. Le Guin >> >> Best Anthology: THE MUSEUM OF HORRORS ed. by Dennis >> Etchison >> >> Best Collection: SKIN FOLK by Nalo Hopkinson >> >> > -- > ******************************************************************* > > Mysterious Galaxy Books Local Phone: > 858.268.4747 > 7051 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, Suite 302 Fax: > 858.268.4775 > San Diego, CA 92111 Long Distance/Orders: > 1.800.811.4747 > http://www.mystgalaxy.com General Email: > mgbooks@mystgalaxy.com -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. To unsubscribe from this listserve, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU and in the body of the message say: unsubscribe FEMINISTSF Contact FEMINISTSF-request@UIC.EDU if there are problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:56:42 -0800 (PST) From: lquilter@boalthall.berkeley.edu Reply-To: lquilter@boalthall.berkeley.edu To: feministsf@uic.edu Subject: Re: Odd Girls Press Closing -- will donate stock to your library or non-profit. (fwd) there are a couple on this list that i thought might be of interest - the minns piece particularly; carol guess has also done a nice midwestern magical realist work although i'm not familiar with this particular one. please pass this on to your librarian ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:36:24 -0800 From: Margaret Gillon Reply-To: LEZBRIAN -- Lesbian and Bisexual Women Library Workers * To: LEZBRIAN@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Odd Girls Press Closing -- will donate stock to your library or non-profit. Dear Lezbrains, On 12/31/2002 I will be closing Odd Girls Press. There is still significant stock remaining of several of our books. I would like to see them circulated instead of being forced to recycle / destory them. I will donate them to any libraries or archives who would like to use them to raise money, use them for reading groups, or give them to local g/l organizations to do the same. We cannot afford to ship these books however I will donate them to anyone who can send us their UPS shipping account number, or who would look up the cost by weight and send us a check to cover the UPS shipping charges. The UPS rate calculator is online at http://wwwapps.ups.com/QCCWebApp/request?iso_language=en&iso_country=US All packages would be shipped by ground from Anaheim, CA 92804. If you a know an organization that might be interested in receiving books please forward this message to a party at that organization. We will donate to any non-profit organization that will pay the shipping. Books could cost as little as 50 cents each to acquire and even selling them at 1/2 retail value there would still be a great net for a fund raising event. These are all new books, still sealed in cases from the printer. There are 3 restrictions on the donations: 1) Books cannot be given to any commercial bookstores, even G/L bookstores. Bookstores can return them to our distributor and get credit for books they never bought in the first place. This HAS happened to us before. 2) Requests must be for case quantities, we no longer have the resources or materials to break the cases down into smaller shipments. 3) Requests must be received by 12/27/2002. Our email, PO Box, and web site will shut down on 12/31/2002 with no forwarding. All of our books have been reviewed in Lambda Book Report. "Gaslight" was a finalist in the memoirs category for the 2002 Lammys. There are synopsis on our web site and many other publications such as the Gay & Lesbian Review, Lesbian Connection, Feminist Bookstores News, Small Press Review and Midwest Book Review have reviewed our books. -- Margaret Gillon, publiser *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Odd Girls Press, PO Box 2157, Anaheim, CA 92814-0157, 800-821-0632 DOMAINS: http://www.QueerReads.com/ http://www.OddGirlsPress.com/ EMAIL: publisher@oddgirlspress.com *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Odd Girls Press Remaining Stock Available for donation as of 11/10/2002 1-887237-05-4 GASLIGHT by Carol Guess, retail price, $15.95. memoir / creative writing. 2002 Lammy finalist. 40 per case, 26 lbs, size 12" x 9" x 12" http://www.oddgirlspress.com/gaslightmain.htm 1-887237-08-9 BLOODSONG by Karen Minns, retail price $12.95 fantasy/horror/romance. A sequel to VIRAGO. 68 per case, 50 lb, size 17" X 11.5" X 8.75" http://www.oddgirlspress.com/bloodsongmain.htm 1-887237-09-7 PELT by Daphne Gottlieb, retail price $9. Her 1st book of poetry. Daphne's 2nd book of poetry was a finalist for 2002 Lammy. 160 per case, 50 lb per case, size 17" X 11.5" X 8.75" http://www.mindspring.com/~daphne.g/index-page6.html 1-887237-14-3 NIGHT MARE, retail price $13, 40 per case, 26 lbs, size 12" x 9" x 12". Mystery. Editor was Katherine V. Forrest. http://www.oddgirlspress.com/nightmaremain.htm ========================================================================= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:16:46 +0100 Reply-To: p.mayerhofer@web.de Sender: "friendly discussion of feminist SF, fantastic & utopian literature and other media" From: Petra Mayerhofer Subject: [*FSFFU*] BDG Schedule Reminder, Nov. 17 Comments: To: feministsf-lit@uic.edu, feministsf@uic.edu To: FEMINISTSF@UIC.EDU The upcoming discussion within the BDG on the feministsf-lit list is Dec. 2 The Saga of the Renunciates, by Marion Zimmer Bradley _The Saga of the Renunciates_ comprises _The Shattered Chain_ (originally published in 1976), _Thendara House_ (1983), and _City of Sorcery_ (1983). The current BDG discussion is on _Babel-17_ by Samuel R. Delany. The upcoming discussions within the BDG on the feministsf-lit list are Jan. 6 Perdido Street Station, by China MiÈville (2000) Feb. 3 The Silver Metal Lover, by Tanith Lee (1981) The next selection round for the BDG is in January next year. Everybody is invited to Join the current discussion! Read the book for the upcoming discussion now! Petra -- Petra Mayerhofer p.mayerhofer@web.de www.feministische-sf.de Currently availabe editions of upcoming BDG books: Bradley, Marion Zimmer: The Saga of the Renunciates. Daw Books; ISBN: 0756400929, List Price: $8.99 Lee, Tanith: The Silver Metal Lover. Bantam Books; ISBN: 0553581279; 304 pp; List Price $5.99. MiÈville, China: Perdido Street Station. Tor Books; ISBN: 0312854064; 720 pp; List Price $11.95. The UK edition is published by Pan, ISBN: 0330392891; 880 pp; List Price £7.99 There are other editions of these books, in print or not. A visit to your public library might be worthwhile. *************************************************************************** The BDG provides a forum for focusing discussion on a particular book during a one month period. The books discussed are nominated and chosen in advance by a vote of all members of the FSFFU-L list serve who choose to vote. Other books can be discussed in parallel to the BDG, of course, and past and future BDG books can be discussed at any time on the list. The difference to a 'normal' list discussion is that in BDG messages spoilers (for the BDG book under discussion) do not have to be pointed out, the 'BDG' in the subject line is the actual spoiler warning. If you have any other questions about the Book Discussion Group (BDG), it's selections, previous discussions or the Feminist Science Fiction, Fantasy and Utopias Literature List Serve (FSFFU-L), you can find much of it at the BDG website at http://www.geocities.com/bdg_volunteers/ -------------------------------------------------- This is the FEMINISTSF listserve, intended only for discussion of feminism and Speculative Fiction. 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