Well ... ahem. Moderator here. Just want to remind everyone that the
list is about discussion of feminism with relation to SF. Not feminism
per se. A little bit of tangentiality is cool, and I don't want to stifle
debate, but this is a list for discussion of feminist sf, fantastic &
utopian literature. There are plenty of resources available for
discussion of feminism in general -- UseNet groups such as soc.feminism
for instance -- and if someone wanted to post a list of other resources
for discussion of feminism that would be great.
In the meantime, I think we can respect that this list is open to a wide
variety of people, some of whom will want to work through issues of
feminism to get back to SF. Let's give a bit of latitude to people who
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On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, lissa bloomer wrote:
> Robin Gordon wrote:
>
> >Happy Monday everyone. I would like to suggest that the tangential
> >discussion going on regarding the age old question "can men be
> >feminists"is a bottomless pit which threatens to consume this list. Of
> >course this is an, at times, interesting and potentially important
> >discussion, I'd like to suggest that this isn't really the place for it,
> >unless discussed with relation to sf (which is possible). While I can
> >only speak for myself I expect other women on this list who are
> >politically involved have been through this discussion more times than we
> >can count, like myself, and don't necessarily want to run through it again
> >here when there are so many interesting issues to discuss with relation to
> >the lists theme of sf and feminism. After reading Stone's post I could
> >have a lot to say in reaction, but just don't think this is the place.
>
> perhaps you can delete these posts and move onto the issues that you would
> like to read about -- because many of us who are new to these ideas would
> like to work through our thoughts. this is why i joined the list! i've been
> what you would call "politically involved" for the past 15 years... and i
> still find the subject of "what is feminism" -- no matter the tangentiality
> -- question wonderfully enlightening. i think that if we can't understand
> other's concerns and ideas on fem alone, how can we begin to complicate the
> issue by bringing sf into the picture? and surely, the realm of fem will
> change in the light of sf.
>
> -lissa bloomer
>
>
>
>
> if you're wearing pants, thank my great great great grandmother.
>
> elisabeth bloomer
> instructor, english
> virginia tech
> ebloomer@vt.edu
> 540.231.2445
>
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